Dowaesk wrote:Lower Nubia wrote:
The tenets of Islam is not the *only* part of Islam though, it's just the absolute fundamentals, plenty exists beyond that and reducing it to that in an attempt to *allow* things that have never been Islamic is dishonest. I think you have me confused here when I say that Imams allowing gay marriage are being non-Islamic. This is not to say they are not Muslim, but the basis for their allowing the marriage is not Islamic, nor because they are clerics of Islam does that make their allowing of the marriage an acceptable quality within Islam, but they are still Muslim. If a Muslim cleric began engaging in cannibalism and promoting it, that would not make social cannibalism an acceptable practice in Islam, nor would it stop them being a Muslim, they'd just be a bad one.
Whether they elevate it to an unjust level, or make it upmost in concern, Jihad is still an important concept within Islam, it has its purpose, even if it's not a core tenet. The same cannot be said for homosexual marriage - which has no precedent.
This has not shown the flexibility necessary for accepting gay marriage, flexibility in concepts with precedence sure, but nothing beyond that precedence. You're misrepresenting the nature of "what came before" (Tradition), the methodologies on interpretation were developed centuries ago (a thousand in some cases), and they continue to be handed down. When was a new methodology developed, innovative to the pre-existing schools, and then universally applied, to understand fiqh? These methods themselves coalesce into the schools of thought - who reflect their unique regional disparity, and they are all quite ancient.
I also want to note on your term "dispute". No doubt the vast majority of Islamic clerics agree that marriage is between different sexes, and not the same. Can it be termed "disputed" if a tiny minority exists? Do we call Climate change disputed because a tiny minority exists? No.
In order to not threadjack. I will end this here. You can come to the Islamic Discussion Thread. Dont worry. We are respectful. You wont get piled on or anything
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One of the core beliefs when it coems to Islamic fiqh is Logical reasoning. The Imams have logical reasoning when it comes to homosexuality. Plus a lot of them argue that when the Quran says "Do not do what the people of Lut did" it doesn't include homosexuality. As per them, logic tells them that homosexuality is not immoral hence its not a sin. Cannibalism however. Can't be put in as Islamic nor as per logical reasoning. So Cannibalism is an outright no. And when a Muslim does it, it doesnt really make it Islamic. Its not Islamic Homosexuality, not Islamic cannibalism, not Islamic Whatever. One of the things thats been brought in through logical reasoning, this very same way. Is condoms. Come to a time, even Salafis have agreed condoms can be used.
Jihad is an important aspect of Islam. But its not a tenet. And Jihad isnt just holy war. There are 3 forms of Jihad. Greater Jihad which is spiritual Jihad and lesser Jihad which is the Jihad of pen and the Jihad of sword. Islam quite clearly has outlined that Greater Jihad. Which you can guess by the words "Greater" and "Lesser". Meanwhile Salafi Jihadists believe that Jihad comes in the following order. Sword, Pen and then Spiritual. (Contradictory to the mainstream). As for homosexual marriage. The Imams have their ways of justifying it. And they been doing somewhat of an impressive job. Im not gonna bother them. Let them be. They aren't revolting against any core beliefs or anything. They are doing what they consider right. Their intention isnt bad. So, I guess. Allah knows best.
In the second last one you talked about a modern interpretation of Islam. I give to you. The Amman Message.(see it in my sig) Released in 2004, set to introduce Islam to the modern world the 21st century and away from the 7th century. It didn't get much attention until 2010. Due to the rising influence of Salafism, it didnt go much higher than that. But I think it just needs one more kick. The Muslim World is desperate. They want something to help them up. So they go for Salafism.
Now onto the last one. Climate change isnt disputed because we have something solid telling us that. The ones trying to deny it make up their own proof thats not even viable. When onto the topic of Homosexuality in Islam. These Muslim scholars and Imams have actual arguments to present when they talk about their standing on it. Both sides have. Both the anti and pro. Hence its disputed. You believe what you want to believe. But Allah knows best and he is most fair. He will judge us and He will decide our fate. If you are good, whatever religion you may be, your fate will be good.
Lower Nubia wrote:I've moved it to the Islamic Discussion Thread
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