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Postby The Dauntless Union » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:51 pm

Galloism wrote:
The Dauntless Union wrote:This isn't Standard Oil, breaking it up would in no form solve the problem, also from what it seems, it's a singular location. I also ask you, what'd be the point of donating random crap? I mean, what's a five year old orphan going to do with a five hundred dollar back scratcher?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:53 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:You are assuming all warehouses are destroying stuff at the same rate. They may be shipping returns to just a few sites for destruction.

If they donated the stuff they could, with the tax write-offs they already get, the government would have to write them refund checks every year


I highly doubt that Amazon would ship items for destruction, as that would impede Amazon's profits. As for taxes: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/04/amazon- ... -2016.html

That’s because Amazon actually owed money to the federal government in 2019. After two straight years of paying $0 in U.S. federal income tax, Amazon was on the hook for a $162 million bill in 2019, the company said in an SEC filing on Thursday... The federal corporate tax rate is 21%, but as in the past, Amazon likely employed various tax credits and deductions to reduce its federal tax bill. Amazon also reported $280.5 billion in total revenue in 2019.


Doesn't look like Amazon needed the write offs. That's the problem when everything's driven to make a profit, you have perfectly good materials going to waste.


The Black Forrest wrote:Well? What’s the solution? You have somebody elses goods which don’t sell and probably won’t due to age.

I remember my last company where I found HP servers sitting on the docks for five years. Due to amort/tax rules; I had to retire them.

Amazon probably has similar issues.


I highly doubt that most of the 130,000 products won't be able to find a home if donated.



These are returns, they ship returns to specific places. I would assume overstocks they sell.

A deduction is a deduction if they donate it, they get to take the deduction
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:56 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
I highly doubt that Amazon would ship items for destruction, as that would impede Amazon's profits. As for taxes: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/04/amazon- ... -2016.html



Doesn't look like Amazon needed the write offs. That's the problem when everything's driven to make a profit, you have perfectly good materials going to waste.




I highly doubt that most of the 130,000 products won't be able to find a home if donated.



These are returns, they ship returns to specific places. I would assume overstocks they sell.

A deduction is a deduction if they donate it, they get to take the deduction


I doubt that they would ship returns from the US to the UK. As for deduction, since Amazon is profit driven, they might calculate that the profit gained from creating artificial scarcity is much greater than the profit gained from tax write offs.
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Wait for Bezos to go to space then don't let him back in. If he tries to call turn the lights off and we'll all pretend to be out.

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Postby Daeju » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:04 pm

Heloin wrote:Wait for Bezos to go to space then don't let him back in. If he tries to call turn the lights off and we'll all pretend to be out.


What's stopping us from banning the dotard from coming back anyways.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:09 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:

These are returns, they ship returns to specific places. I would assume overstocks they sell.

A deduction is a deduction if they donate it, they get to take the deduction


I doubt that they would ship returns from the US to the UK. As for deduction, since Amazon is profit driven, they might calculate that the profit gained from creating artificial scarcity is much greater than the profit gained from tax write offs.

They would ship it somewhere specific in the US or more likely a couple of places, but the calculation was based on every warehouse cranking out the same value of destruction.

Anything mass produced I can buy on Amazon I can buy elsewhere for a roughly similar price. I dont buy that they are creating market scarcity. I can guess at their reasoning, but it would be more along the lines of just cheaper to do than anything else
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:11 pm

Heloin wrote:Wait for Bezos to go to space then don't let him back in. If he tries to call turn the lights off and we'll all pretend to be out.

I think I saw an internet petition for that.
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Heloin wrote:Wait for Bezos to go to space then don't let him back in. If he tries to call turn the lights off and we'll all pretend to be out.

I think I saw an internet petition for that.

Really? Any joke I make someone else on the internet already beat me to it.

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Heloin wrote:Wait for Bezos to go to space then don't let him back in. If he tries to call turn the lights off and we'll all pretend to be out.

I think I saw an internet petition for that.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:38 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:I think I saw an internet petition for that.
here you are


Heh. I wonder how many of those are trumpists. They have a thing for him IIRC…..
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:39 pm

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Heh. I wonder how many of those are trumpists. They have a thing for him IIRC…..

I mean, I think he's a fairly easy target for the left, right, and centre at the moment.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:56 pm

Heloin wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Heh. I wonder how many of those are trumpists. They have a thing for him IIRC…..

I mean, I think he's a fairly easy target for the left, right, and centre at the moment.


That is true. I was remembering the ex-president had a thing for him so of course the followers will as well…..
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:08 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I think I saw an internet petition for that.
here you are

Thank you kind sir.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:10 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Heloin wrote:I mean, I think he's a fairly easy target for the left, right, and centre at the moment.


That is true. I was remembering the ex-president had a thing for him so of course the followers will as well…..

And so does the progressive left, it seems its something they all agree on, so don't make it a negative, celibate the agreement and the coming together of us all.

Its a blessing really
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:13 pm

I mean, what else can you do with an unsold iPhone that's already obsolete and a supply of facemasks that far exceeds future demand?
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:14 pm

We shouldn't expect much from a company that makes an event called "Prime Day" that spans over two days. It's driving me crazy because YOU CAN'T CALL SOMETHING PRIME DAY, SINGULAR, AND THE ACTUAL EVENT TAKE PLACE OVER TWO DAYS, PLURAL.

Kowani wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I think I saw an internet petition for that.
here you are


I'm honestly a bit surprised that hasn't hit 150,000 yet.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:14 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:I mean, what else can you do with an unsold iPhone that's already obsolete and a supply of facemasks that far exceeds future demand?

For those things specifically they can be donated.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:17 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That is true. I was remembering the ex-president had a thing for him so of course the followers will as well…..

And so does the progressive left, it seems its something they all agree on, so don't make it a negative, celibate the agreement and the coming together of us all.

Its a blessing really


You mean we could actually work together on this?

This could be the change we all need!
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:17 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:I mean, what else can you do with an unsold iPhone that's already obsolete and a supply of facemasks that far exceeds future demand?

Sew them into a parachute. The masks that is, I guess you could ET for the Atari the iphones into a desert somewhere.

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Postby Kubra » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:18 pm

Well, yeah. It's not as if Amazon is alone in this. It's hard to name a corp involved in physical merch that *doesn't* destroy products en masse.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:19 pm

Heloin wrote:Wait for Bezos to go to space then don't let him back in. If he tries to call turn the lights off and we'll all pretend to be out.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:21 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:I mean, what else can you do with an unsold iPhone that's already obsolete and a supply of facemasks that far exceeds future demand?

Sell it at a discount on Woot!.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:24 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Heloin wrote:Wait for Bezos to go to space then don't let him back in. If he tries to call turn the lights off and we'll all pretend to be out.

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*dail tone* You're call is important to us. Please note that Earth is only open between 9 and 5.

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Postby Lady Victory » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:13 pm

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*dail tone* You're call is important to us. Please note that Earth is only open between 9 and 5.


Why don't we just take the Earth and push it somewhere else?

He'll never find it then.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:15 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Heloin wrote:*dail tone* You're call is important to us. Please note that Earth is only open between 9 and 5.


Why don't we just take the Earth and push it somewhere else?

He'll never find it then.

There's this amazing thing called orbits. Wait a couple of days and the whole planet and the moon just move itself like magic.

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