American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

[North Washington Republic]

Well, I’m a neoliberal, and overall I approve of the job Biden is doing.

that's exactly what one would expect why are you announcing that as though it's unique

Does it offend you that I support Joe Biden?

[Cekoviu]

that's exactly what one would expect why are you announcing that as though it's unique

Does it offend you that I support Joe Biden?

yes, it does offend me when people support pedophiles and murderers, but that's not why i'm asking LOL

[North Washington Republic]

Does it offend you that I support Joe Biden?

yes, it does offend me when people support pedophiles and murderers, but that's not why i'm asking LOL

I think I’m going to put you on my foe’s list.

Goodbye!

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It's not real populism though. It's just a distraction to rally the ultrapartisan culture warriors.

Culture wars are populist though….

Real populism is giving people food, health care, and housing. But instead they convince destitute folks that transgender cultural Marxist Democrat anarcho-Stalinists are the source of all their problems.

Right-wing populists are still populists…

I don't like calling the phenomenon that in America would be better referred to as Trumpism populism because the word populism when used in a derogatory context by neoliberal elites is a method of delegitimizing people power.

Populism by definition reflects the people's demands, not cons that people have bought into.

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Biden isn't perfect (far from it, I hate neoliberals), but Trump rejects the fundamental philosophies of democracy.

Well, I’m a neoliberal, and overall I approve of the job Biden is doing.

"This year American health insurance companies have murdered 2.3% fewer people than they did under Trump, and if you back me, my fellow Americans, we WILL RAISE THE MININUM WAGE BY 68 CENTS!*"

*Relative to inflation, the minimum wage has actually been reduced again

[The Black Forrest]

the gap between "political leaders don't direct diseases" and "trump is responsible for large numbers of covid deaths" is not as large as one thinks it is

difficult to argue this without running afoul of this site's draconian politically biased rules on covid "misinformation" so i will simply not

Eh? Talking about Trumps spectacular failure at managing the pandemic doesn’t run afoul of the covid misinformation.

Where you go bad:
You don’t need the vaccine. It’s going to kill you.
Just take vitamins
Its just a cold; don’t worry about it.
It’s a government/pharmi plot
blah blah blah.

[North Washington Republic]

Culture wars are populist though….



Right-wing populists are still populists…

I don't like calling the phenomenon that in America would be better referred to as Trumpism populism because the word populism when used in a derogatory context by neoliberal elites is a method of delegitimizing people power.

Populism by definition reflects the people's demands, not cons that people have bought into.

The phenomenon isn’t exclusively in America although it has the most political power in America. We see right-wing populists in Europe as well. There is this belief of all misguided that immigrants, corporations and elite leftists are making things more difficult for working class people that are native to their country. They believe that leftists in government and academia are the actual elites that they should be fighting.

Calling right-wing populism not “real populism” is just a no true Scotsman fallacy.

[The Black Forrest]

As opposed to Trump, who has established a cult of personality, is responsible for untold numbers of excess Covid deaths, has spurred on the rise of far-right extremism and has taken a hammer to institutions and put the country on the path to inevitable demise.

covid is a disease that is not subject to the directions of a political leader. as for the rest, i see no reason why any of those things are negatives.

That’s true. However, a political leader does have effect on how bad a pandemic can be.

[Cekoviu]

difficult to argue this without running afoul of this site's draconian politically biased rules on covid "misinformation" so i will simply not

Eh? Talking about Trumps spectacular failure at managing the pandemic doesn’t run afoul of the covid misinformation.

Where you go bad:
You don’t need the vaccine. It’s going to kill you.
Just take vitamins
Its just a cold; don’t worry about it.
It’s a government/pharmi plot
blah blah blah.

can you not i'm not even allowed to argue this because of the rules it really isn't fair for you to keep saying all this Bull shit

[Dillemba]

Biden isn't perfect (far from it, I hate neoliberals), but Trump rejects the fundamental philosophies of democracy.

Well, I’m a neoliberal, and overall I approve of the job Biden is doing.

How come?

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I don't like calling the phenomenon that in America would be better referred to as Trumpism populism because the word populism when used in a derogatory context by neoliberal elites is a method of delegitimizing people power.

Populism by definition reflects the people's demands, not cons that people have bought into.

The phenomenon isn’t exclusively in America although it has the most political power in America. We see right-wing populists in Europe as well. There is this belief of all misguided that immigrants, corporations and elite leftists are making things more difficult for working class people that are native to their country. They believe that leftists in government and academia are the actual elites that they should be fighting.

Calling right-wing populism not “real populism” is just a no true Scotsman fallacy.

It's not a No True Scotsman.

If I said the word "love" can't be applied to abusers who gaslight their victims into believing they love them, would you dispute that?

[North Washington Republic]

covid is a disease that is not subject to the directions of a political leader. as for the rest, i see no reason why any of those things are negatives.

That’s true. However, a political leader does have effect on how bad a pandemic can be.

This is true. Heads of government & state should set an example when there is a crisis. Donald Trump failed to that BIGLY. Holding maskless rallies while COVID was ragging like a bull in a china shop. He didn’t wear a mask until he was forced to when he visited Walter Reed.

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Eh? Talking about Trumps spectacular failure at managing the pandemic doesn’t run afoul of the covid misinformation.

Where you go bad:
You don’t need the vaccine. It’s going to kill you.
Just take vitamins
Its just a cold; don’t worry about it.
It’s a government/pharmi plot
blah blah blah.

can you not i'm not even allowed to argue this because of the rules it really isn't fair for you to keep saying all this Bull shit

I'm honestly surprised I haven't received a covid misinfo warning yet for saying that curfews don't reduce infections (true) and that governments around the world are lying about deaths to cover up their incompetence (true)

[Dillemba]

I don't like calling the phenomenon that in America would be better referred to as Trumpism populism because the word populism when used in a derogatory context by neoliberal elites is a method of delegitimizing people power.

Populism by definition reflects the people's demands, not cons that people have bought into.

The phenomenon isn’t exclusively in America although it has the most political power in America. We see right-wing populists in Europe as well. There is this belief of all misguided that immigrants, corporations and elite leftists are making things more difficult for working class people that are native to their country. They believe that leftists in government and academia are the actual elites that they should be fighting.

Calling right-wing populism not “real populism” is just a no true Scotsman fallacy.

Corporations and elite leftists (elitists in general, including leftists) ARE making things more difficult for the working class. They don't pay workers fair wages, fight to the brim to prevent labor unions, pay hardly any taxes, and live in an entirely different justice and law system in America

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

Eh? Talking about Trumps spectacular failure at managing the pandemic doesn’t run afoul of the covid misinformation.

Where you go bad:
You don’t need the vaccine. It’s going to kill you.
Just take vitamins
Its just a cold; don’t worry about it.
It’s a government/pharmi plot
blah blah blah.

can you not i'm not even allowed to argue this because of the rules it really isn't fair for you to keep saying all this Bull shit

It is not bullshit. The efforts to downplay the virus or the need for masks and the proper use thereof, that is bullshit.

[The Black Forrest]

Eh? Talking about Trumps spectacular failure at managing the pandemic doesn’t run afoul of the covid misinformation.

Where you go bad:
You don’t need the vaccine. It’s going to kill you.
Just take vitamins
Its just a cold; don’t worry about it.
It’s a government/pharmi plot
blah blah blah.

can you not i'm not even allowed to argue this because of the rules it really isn't fair for you to keep saying all this Bull shit

Now allowed to argue what? What I mentioned?

The thing you need is the evidence. Hydro-C for example I think does not do anything. When it’s used there is also a cocktail of drugs as well. Anyway; it’s the presentation. For example; look at this study (a real one; not somebodies blog) Hydro-C was noted to have an impact. Said study is also available to others.

Simply saying all you need is hydro-c and you are good is misinformation.

Did you do your bleach injections?

[North Washington Republic]

The phenomenon isn’t exclusively in America although it has the most political power in America. We see right-wing populists in Europe as well. There is this belief of all misguided that immigrants, corporations and elite leftists are making things more difficult for working class people that are native to their country. They believe that leftists in government and academia are the actual elites that they should be fighting.

Calling right-wing populism not “real populism” is just a no true Scotsman fallacy.

It's not a No True Scotsman.

If I said the word "love" can't be applied to abusers who gaslight their victims into believing they love them, would you dispute that?

But it is. Right-wing populism is populism because it’s the idea that average everyday people are under attack by a group of elites. The “elites” are just a different group of people when compared to left-wing populism.

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It's not a No True Scotsman.

If I said the word "love" can't be applied to abusers who gaslight their victims into believing they love them, would you dispute that?

But it is. Right-wing populism is populism because it’s the idea that average everyday people are under attack by a group of elites. The “elites” are just a different group of people when compared to left-wing populism.

Everyday people are under attack by elites. This is an objectively true fact.

[The Reformed American Republic]

It's not real populism though. It's just a distraction to rally the ultrapartisan culture warriors.

Culture wars are populist though….

Real populism is giving people food, health care, and housing. But instead they convince destitute folks that transgender cultural Marxist Democrat anarcho-Stalinists are the source of all their problems.

Right-wing populists are still populists…

Ok neoliberal. By that metric, all politics are populist.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

The phenomenon isn’t exclusively in America although it has the most political power in America. We see right-wing populists in Europe as well. There is this belief of all misguided that immigrants, corporations and elite leftists are making things more difficult for working class people that are native to their country. They believe that leftists in government and academia are the actual elites that they should be fighting.

Calling right-wing populism not “real populism” is just a no true Scotsman fallacy.

Corporations and elite leftists (elitists in general, including leftists) ARE making things more difficult for the working class. They don't pay workers fair wages, fight to the brim to prevent labor unions, pay hardly any taxes, and live in an entirely different justice and law system in America

I’m curious who you mean when you speak of ‘elite leftists’ and their purported payroll depredations.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

The phenomenon isn’t exclusively in America although it has the most political power in America. We see right-wing populists in Europe as well. There is this belief of all misguided that immigrants, corporations and elite leftists are making things more difficult for working class people that are native to their country. They believe that leftists in government and academia are the actual elites that they should be fighting.

Calling right-wing populism not “real populism” is just a no true Scotsman fallacy.

Corporations and elite leftists (elitists in general, including leftists) ARE making things more difficult for the working class. They don't pay workers fair wages, fight to the brim to prevent labor unions, pay hardly any taxes, and live in an entirely different justice and law system in America

Then they aren't leftists.

[The Black Forrest]

That’s true. However, a political leader does have effect on how bad a pandemic can be.

This is true. Heads of government & state should set an example when there is a crisis. Donald Trump failed to that BIGLY. Holding maskless rallies while COVID was ragging like a bull in a china shop. He didn’t wear a mask until he was forced to when he visited Walter Reed.

Let’s not forget he also had his people removing a venues signs about not sitting here to increase distance. A crowd stroking his ego is more important then a pandemic.

[Dillemba]

Corporations and elite leftists (elitists in general, including leftists) ARE making things more difficult for the working class. They don't pay workers fair wages, fight to the brim to prevent labor unions, pay hardly any taxes, and live in an entirely different justice and law system in America

Then they aren't leftists.

They are American leftists. The left has lost it's way and has completely forgotten about the working class and instead ponder to identity politics, political correctness, working in tandem with the American center-right on mass surveillance and oppression, and only making token promises on actual reform. The only people in American politics that care about the working class are the far-left and the libertarians, and only the latter have any influence in American politics

[Dillemba]

Corporations and elite leftists (elitists in general, including leftists) ARE making things more difficult for the working class. They don't pay workers fair wages, fight to the brim to prevent labor unions, pay hardly any taxes, and live in an entirely different justice and law system in America

I’m curious who you mean when you speak of ‘elite leftists’ and their purported payroll depredations.

Every corporate elite that is voting for the Democrats does not genuinely support reform and instead fuels ethnic conflicts and supports the donor class.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Then they aren't leftists.

They are American leftists. The left has lost it's way and has completely forgotten about the working class and instead ponder to identity politics, political correctness, working in tandem with the American center-right on mass surveillance and oppression, and only making token promises on actual reform. The only people in American politics that care about the working class are the far-left and the libertarians, and only the latter have any influence in American politics

Leftist!=Progressives