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Is it no longer possible to collaborate with political opponents at this stage?

It is no longer possible.
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It is possible.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar economic views.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar cultural/social views.
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Why would I collaborate with anyone? Going monke is the best way forward.
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Postby Illu-chi » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:24 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:
Also “Burnt gas smelling nice” has got to be just about the strangest argument against environmental regulations, and I feel like giving you props for the boldness, but regardless, the government is not coming for your grill.

They may not be coming for my grill, but more environmental regulation means the ending of gas burning vehicles. Also you can get high off of gas too if you smell it long enough in high amounts.

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:28 pm

Aggicificicerous wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Ok, isn't Joe Manchin just doing the same thing as Joe Lieberman under the Obama administration? Preventing a public option to appease his campaign donors?


I'm starting to suspect he's got Biden's blessing. Very convenient to always have someone 'sabotaging' the government so it never has to do anything.


I wouldn't be surprised. That tends to be how our government operates.

There's always another option though.
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Postby Godular » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:33 pm

Illu-chi wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:
Also “Burnt gas smelling nice” has got to be just about the strangest argument against environmental regulations, and I feel like giving you props for the boldness, but regardless, the government is not coming for your grill.

They may not be coming for my grill, but more environmental regulation means the ending of gas burning vehicles. Also you can get high off of gas too if you smell it long enough in high amounts.


Huh... I did wonder why I kinda enjoyed the smell of a gas station...
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:40 pm

Illu-chi wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:
Also “Burnt gas smelling nice” has got to be just about the strangest argument against environmental regulations, and I feel like giving you props for the boldness, but regardless, the government is not coming for your grill.

They may not be coming for my grill, but more environmental regulation means the ending of gas burning vehicles. Also you can get high off of gas too if you smell it long enough in high amounts.


You literally don't wanna fight global warming because gas fumes can get you high? What?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:41 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Illu-chi wrote:They may not be coming for my grill, but more environmental regulation means the ending of gas burning vehicles. Also you can get high off of gas too if you smell it long enough in high amounts.


You literally don't wanna fight global warming because gas fumes can get you high? What?


Tbf I love the smell of gas stations, he isn't alone lol
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:41 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Illu-chi wrote:They may not be coming for my grill, but more environmental regulation means the ending of gas burning vehicles. Also you can get high off of gas too if you smell it long enough in high amounts.


You literally don't wanna fight global warming because gas fumes can get you high? What?



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Postby Illu-chi » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:45 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Illu-chi wrote:They may not be coming for my grill, but more environmental regulation means the ending of gas burning vehicles. Also you can get high off of gas too if you smell it long enough in high amounts.


You literally don't wanna fight global warming because gas fumes can get you high? What?

Global warming isn't actually a thing as far as I understand. Just some climate change and its not a huge deal.

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Postby The Temple of the Computer » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:51 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Temple of the Computer wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=501959 The last thread.

Welcome Back Republicans and Democrats, Libertarians and Greens, Kowani and GMS, to Thread that contains almost all american politics.

You already know the drill already, with over 45% of the american population already fully vaccinated, without any further Adieu, Let us begin this newest edition finally.

You missed it by three minutes.

No, the thread was created two minutes BEFORE this thread, but I did not post it on the old american politics thread in time.
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Postby Nilokeras » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:55 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Illu-chi wrote:They may not be coming for my grill, but more environmental regulation means the ending of gas burning vehicles. Also you can get high off of gas too if you smell it long enough in high amounts.


You literally don't wanna fight global warming because gas fumes can get you high? What?


Ironically, one of the things environmental health scientists are worried about is the increasing incidence of CO2 poisoning as emissions continue to pour it into the atmosphere. Around about 1000 ppm people experience headaches, drowsiness and sometimes nausea. It's already difficult to keep CO2 concentrations in crowded areas at a healthy level - it takes 30 minutes or so for a lecture theatre full of people to climb above that threshold. We're on track to hit 685 ppm by 2050, and every year it becomes more and more difficult to keep working conditions in places like office buildings healthy to be in for an extended period. Plus god knows what chronic CO2 poisoning does to peoples' brains on the long term beyond the initial effects.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:56 pm

Illu-chi wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
You literally don't wanna fight global warming because gas fumes can get you high? What?

Global warming isn't actually a thing as far as I understand. Just some climate change and its not a huge deal.

This level of science denialism is dangerous, I honestly can't believe we're still having this conversation.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:57 pm

Illu-chi wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
You literally don't wanna fight global warming because gas fumes can get you high? What?

Global warming isn't actually a thing as far as I understand. Just some climate change and its not a huge deal.


Global warming causes climate change, and it is a huge fucking deal. Some entire countries (in the first world and the third world) are at risk of going the way of Atlantis. Those countries which will have land left will have some of their biggest population centers also go under the sea. This will cause a global refugee crisis. On top of this, many areas (especially those which do not become submerged) will get less consistent rainfall, and the occasions when they do will see excessive rainfall, causing flash flooding. This will cause agricultural instabilities, famines, and outright wars over water and food. To say nothing of the many species that will go extinct (which itself says nothing of the many species that have already and currently are going extinct).
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:00 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Illu-chi wrote:Global warming isn't actually a thing as far as I understand. Just some climate change and its not a huge deal.


Global warming causes climate change, and it is a huge fucking deal. Some entire countries (in the first world and the third world) are at risk of going the way of Atlantis. Those countries which will have land left will have some of their biggest population centers also go under the sea. This will cause a global refugee crisis. On top of this, many areas (especially those which do not become submerged) will get less consistent rainfall, and the occasions when they do will see excessive rainfall, causing flash flooding. This will cause agricultural instabilities, famines, and outright wars over water and food. To say nothing of the many species that will go extinct (which itself says nothing of the many species that have already and currently are going extinct).

Rather than causes, I would say that global warming is a type of climate change, in this case one caused by human activity.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:01 pm

Illu-chi wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:
Also “Burnt gas smelling nice” has got to be just about the strangest argument against environmental regulations, and I feel like giving you props for the boldness, but regardless, the government is not coming for your grill.

They may not be coming for my grill, but more environmental regulation means the ending of gas burning vehicles.

Cool. It's probably much harder to mod an electric vehicle to be one of those obnoxiously loud things that definitely is not a way to compensate for something.
Also, y'know, the environment.
Also you can get high off of gas too if you smell it long enough in high amounts.

...There's far better ways to get high, my dude.
Illu-chi wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
You literally don't wanna fight global warming because gas fumes can get you high? What?

Global warming isn't actually a thing as far as I understand. Just some climate change and its not a huge deal.

You understand very little, then. It's a huge deal.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:03 pm

Sundiata wrote:Ok, isn't Joe Manchin just doing the same thing as Joe Lieberman under the Obama administration? Preventing a public option to appease his campaign donors?

Yep.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:16 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:
I'm starting to suspect he's got Biden's blessing. Very convenient to always have someone 'sabotaging' the government so it never has to do anything.


I wouldn't be surprised. That tends to be how our government operates.

There's always another option though.

More government?
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Postby Illu-chi » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:21 pm

I'm surprised people think climate change is actually a huge deal. I was taught in school that global warming isn't a thing, but climate change is. A meteorologist who one time came to my school( to talk about the profession of meteorology or something like that) also said that climate change will just be some changes in weather patterns and its not some apocalypse.

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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:23 pm

Illu-chi wrote:I'm surprised people think climate change is actually a huge deal. I was taught in school that global warming isn't a thing, but climate change is. A meteorologist who one time came to my school( to talk about the profession of meteorology or something like that) also said that climate change will just be some changes in weather patterns and its not some apocalypse.


Your school and that meterologist downplayed it. Probably to avoid scaring you, and to avoid accusations from your parents that they were teaching politically motivated things.

Its one of the many motivations for "lies to children".
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:28 pm

Illu-chi wrote:I'm surprised people think climate change is actually a huge deal. I was taught in school that global warming isn't a thing, but climate change is. A meteorologist who one time came to my school( to talk about the profession of meteorology or something like that) also said that climate change will just be some changes in weather patterns and its not some apocalypse.

Ignoring the myriad of other effects in the future, we are already at a point where most of the minor Pacific island states are going underwater. That's 2.3 million people that will have to move away from their ancestral homelands in the coming decades.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ate-change
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Postby Illu-chi » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:33 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Illu-chi wrote:They may not be coming for my grill, but more environmental regulation means the ending of gas burning vehicles.

Cool. It's probably much harder to mod an electric vehicle to be one of those obnoxiously loud things that definitely is not a way to compensate for something.
Also, y'know, the environment.

Most people don't mod gas vehicles to be obnoxiously loud to compensate for something. Most who do do it for other enthusiasts, they like how it sounds, it makes it feel like your going faster when you really are. Also making a vehicle quietermand burn clean is many times a negative on fuel efficiency and also power.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:37 pm

Celritannia wrote:Is this the war of 1812? Because a Canadian just took over DC politics :lol:

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Hence collaboration at this point is little more than ensuring the repression of the 99%.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:42 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:No we can't get along and my message to any fan of the former president is simple. I have no intention nor desire to do you harm, but we are not friends and we can't be cool if you like the pathological liar we last had in office. I would appreciate if any Trump supporters just stay away from me. I'm not trying to understand any longer why someone would back a man who talked about murdering children or allowed people to die from covid.

Roj, one can at least try to de-Trumpify them. Like I have before.



Okay, so I was just scrolling through (also first time poster in these types of threads.) How exactly did you de - Trumpify Trump supporters?
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Postby Illu-chi » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:45 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Illu-chi wrote:I'm surprised people think climate change is actually a huge deal. I was taught in school that global warming isn't a thing, but climate change is. A meteorologist who one time came to my school( to talk about the profession of meteorology or something like that) also said that climate change will just be some changes in weather patterns and its not some apocalypse.


Your school and that meterologist downplayed it. Probably to avoid scaring you, and to avoid accusations from your parents that they were teaching politically motivated things.

Its one of the many motivations for "lies to children".

Maybe, but the a meteorologist who didn't even live near the area and has no ties with school system besides talking about meteorology, why meteorology is cool, and why the meteorologist became a meteorologist. The meteorologist didn't even need to talk about climate change. It just happened to get brought up when talking about weather and what it was. So the meteorologist has no actual motivations. I could see the school doing that though.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:51 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Roj, one can at least try to de-Trumpify them. Like I have before.



Okay, so I was just scrolling through (also first time poster in these types of threads.) How exactly did you de - Trumpify Trump supporters?

Typically by having casual chats, getting to know them and their circumstances. Ultimately you have to hammer down three things:
  • Trumpian class warfare
  • Trumpian hypocrisy
  • Trumpian status quo obfuscation
Because at the end of the day, most Trump supporters are not rich, or financially stable. They're in the big prole boat, like the rest of us. Where they differ is on cultural and social issues. As someone who once was, to put it mildly, far-right on such issues, I find myself desensitized to some of the more acerbic talking points Trump supporters tend to parrot. I am able to tolerate it because I wish to show them directly that Trump conned them. From there, I can use some common-ground talking points (most Trump supporters tend to be pro-gun. I'm a pro-gun leftist) to further position myself as someone who can help them towards an alternative socioeconomic worldview.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:52 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Roj, one can at least try to de-Trumpify them. Like I have before.



Okay, so I was just scrolling through (also first time poster in these types of threads.) How exactly did you de - Trumpify Trump supporters?


Step 1. Get them to consider other points of views.

Step 2. They're closed minded.
Step 3. They're closed minded.
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