American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

[Galloism]

I believe I just said why.

I don't think hes going to get off. I think he will go to jail and if he wants to run from prison by all means. It would be very interesting to see how many votes he got when he can't campaign and has a very limited campaign.

Eugene Debs did it why can't Trump?

Debs was never president, and perhaps more importantly, the things that got him put in jail didn't take place while he was president or as president. We have never to my knowledge put a former president in jail.

As a few examples:

Bush - War crimes, authorized torture, still free
Obama - had US citizens assassinated without trial. still free.
Nixon - Spied on his opponents, engaged in obstruction of justice to cover it up. Pardoned. Died at the hospital following a stroke.
FDR - Literally ran concentration camps in the US where people were put based on their country of national origin. Never prosecuted. Died in office.

[San Lumen]

I don't think hes going to get off. I think he will go to jail and if he wants to run from prison by all means. It would be very interesting to see how many votes he got when he can't campaign and has a very limited campaign.

Eugene Debs did it why can't Trump?

Debs was never president, and perhaps more importantly, the things that got him put in jail didn't take place while he was president or as president. We have never to my knowledge put a former president in jail.

As a few examples:

Bush - War crimes, authorized torture, still free
Obama - had US citizens assassinated without trial. still free.
Nixon - Spied on his opponents, engaged in obstruction of justice to cover it up. Pardoned. Died at the hospital following a stroke.
FDR - Literally ran concentration camps in the US where people were put based on their country of national origin. Never prosecuted. Died in office.

There is always a first for everything.

[The Temple of the Computer]

I don't think hes going to get off. I think he will go to jail and if he wants to run from prison by all means. It would be very interesting to see how many votes he got when he can't campaign and has a very limited campaign.

Eugene Debs did it why can't Trump?

Debs was never president, and perhaps more importantly, the things that got him put in jail didn't take place while he was president or as president. We have never to my knowledge put a former president in jail.

As a few examples:

Bush - War crimes, authorized torture, still free
Obama - had US citizens assassinated without trial. still free.
Nixon - Spied on his opponents, engaged in obstruction of justice to cover it up. Pardoned. Died at the hospital following a stroke.
FDR - Literally ran concentration camps in the US where people were put based on their country of national origin. Never prosecuted. Died in office.

You can't arrest a man for a pardon for the crimes he may or may not have committed sadly.

[Galloism]

Debs was never president, and perhaps more importantly, the things that got him put in jail didn't take place while he was president or as president. We have never to my knowledge put a former president in jail.

As a few examples:

Bush - War crimes, authorized torture, still free
Obama - had US citizens assassinated without trial. still free.
Nixon - Spied on his opponents, engaged in obstruction of justice to cover it up. Pardoned. Died at the hospital following a stroke.
FDR - Literally ran concentration camps in the US where people were put based on their country of national origin. Never prosecuted. Died in office.

There is always a first for everything.

And hope springs eternal and all that, but if you hold your breath for it, you're likely going to find yourself suffering hypoxia.

[Kannap]

I believe I just said why.

I don't think hes going to get off. I think he will go to jail and if he wants to run from prison by all means. It would be very interesting to see how many votes he got when he can't campaign and has a very limited campaign.

Eugene Debs did it why can't Trump?

lol imagine comparing a shithead like Trump to a cool guy like Debs

[Thermodolia]

i'm sure this will help
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Vive la Revolution? Vive la Revolution!!! *starts singing about storming a fort*

[Galloism]

Debs was never president, and perhaps more importantly, the things that got him put in jail didn't take place while he was president or as president. We have never to my knowledge put a former president in jail.

As a few examples:

Bush - War crimes, authorized torture, still free
Obama - had US citizens assassinated without trial. still free.
Nixon - Spied on his opponents, engaged in obstruction of justice to cover it up. Pardoned. Died at the hospital following a stroke.
FDR - Literally ran concentration camps in the US where people were put based on their country of national origin. Never prosecuted. Died in office.

You can't arrest a man for a pardon for the crimes he may or may not have committed sadly.

Indeed.

But the mechanics of it is largely beside the point. We have never prosecuted, to my knowledge, a president for crimes committed while in office.

[Thermodolia]

I seriously doubt Trump is going to prison. Our reticence about prosecuting former presidents is so strong we'll probably never do it, even if he declared "you're damn right I ordered the code red!" on national TV.

Why do you doubt it?

Because it sets the precedent that presidents can be sent to prison for the illegal things they’ve done. And no president actually wants to go to prison or be held accountable for anything

[Kannap]

Debs was never president, and perhaps more importantly, the things that got him put in jail didn't take place while he was president or as president. We have never to my knowledge put a former president in jail.

As a few examples:

Bush - War crimes, authorized torture, still free
Obama - had US citizens assassinated without trial. still free.
Nixon - Spied on his opponents, engaged in obstruction of justice to cover it up. Pardoned. Died at the hospital following a stroke.
FDR - Literally ran concentration camps in the US where people were put based on their country of national origin. Never prosecuted. Died in office.

There is always a first for everything.

If we're throwing Trump in prison, can we also throw Obama and Bush in there too?

[Thermodolia]

There is always a first for everything.

If we're throwing Trump in prison, can we also throw Obama and Bush in there too?

I’d be so totally owned if we did that. So very owned

[San Lumen]

Why do you doubt it?

Because it sets the precedent that presidents can be sent to prison for the illegal things they’ve done. And no president actually wants to go to prison or be held accountable for anything

Why would that be a bad thing? it would say while you may be above the law while in office you aren't when your out.

[Punished UMN]

Because it sets the precedent that presidents can be sent to prison for the illegal things they’ve done. And no president actually wants to go to prison or be held accountable for anything

Why would that be a bad thing? it would say while you may be above the law while in office you aren't when your out.

He's not saying that would be a bad thing, he's saying that the precedent would be so potentially damaging to future administrations that no one would be willing to risk setting it.

[Galloism]

Because it sets the precedent that presidents can be sent to prison for the illegal things they’ve done. And no president actually wants to go to prison or be held accountable for anything

Why would that be a bad thing? it would say while you may be above the law while in office you aren't when your out.

No one said it was a bad thing. Socially, it would actually be a great thing.

It's just a bad thing if you're president, and there's always a president who has significant power that wouldn't like that precedent.

[San Lumen]

Why would that be a bad thing? it would say while you may be above the law while in office you aren't when your out.

He's not saying that would be a bad thing, he's saying that the precedent would be so potentially damaging to future administrations that no one would be willing to risk setting it.

Why would it be damaging if your not above the law after leaving office?

[Thermodolia]

Because it sets the precedent that presidents can be sent to prison for the illegal things they’ve done. And no president actually wants to go to prison or be held accountable for anything

Why would that be a bad thing? it would say while you may be above the law while in office you aren't when your out.

I never said that it would be a bad thing just that it’s fucking impossible. Biden has literally ignored a treaty with the Taliban about when troops would be removed from Afghanistan. That’s pretty illegal.

[San Lumen]

Why would that be a bad thing? it would say while you may be above the law while in office you aren't when your out.

I never said that it would be a bad thing just that it’s fucking impossible. Biden has literally ignored a treaty with the Taliban about when troops would be removed from Afghanistan. That’s pretty illegal.

What treaty would that be?

[Galloism]

Why would that be a bad thing? it would say while you may be above the law while in office you aren't when your out.

He's not saying that would be a bad thing, he's saying that the precedent would be so potentially damaging to future administrations that no one would be willing to risk setting it.

I got $50 that says if it ever actually looked likely that some really gutsy prosecutor was going to try it, Biden or whoever is in office at the time will give him a pardon to "heal the nation and ensure a future of bipartisanship" or some shit along those lines.

[North Washington Republic]

Why would that be a bad thing? it would say while you may be above the law while in office you aren't when your out.

I never said that it would be a bad thing just that it’s fucking impossible. Biden has literally ignored a treaty with the Taliban about when troops would be removed from Afghanistan. That’s pretty illegal.

Are you okay with the Taliban taking over Afghanistan? Just asking.

[San Lumen]

He's not saying that would be a bad thing, he's saying that the precedent would be so potentially damaging to future administrations that no one would be willing to risk setting it.

I got $50 that says if it ever actually looked likely that some really gutsy prosecutor was going to try it, Biden or whoever is in office at the time will give him a pardon to "heal the nation and ensure a future of bipartisanship" or some shit along those lines.

Pardoning Nixon is a major factor in why Ford lost.

[Thermodolia]

He's not saying that would be a bad thing, he's saying that the precedent would be so potentially damaging to future administrations that no one would be willing to risk setting it.

Why would it be damaging if your not above the law after leaving office?

Because presidents do crazy illegal things? Obama literally droned american citizens. He ordered the death of Americans without a trial.

If we set this precedent that opens Obama and Biden to jail time for their actions.

And that’s why it will never happen

[Thermodolia]

I never said that it would be a bad thing just that it’s fucking impossible. Biden has literally ignored a treaty with the Taliban about when troops would be removed from Afghanistan. That’s pretty illegal.

Are you okay with the Taliban taking over Afghanistan? Just asking.

No. But if your predecessor got a diplomatic deal signed that the US would leave the country by May 1st and you just decide to ignore it than what good is America’s word?

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

He's not saying that would be a bad thing, he's saying that the precedent would be so potentially damaging to future administrations that no one would be willing to risk setting it.

Why would it be damaging if your not above the law after leaving office?

I can't possibly imagine why future presidents would want to be above the law...

[Heloin]

Why would it be damaging if your not above the law after leaving office?

Because presidents do crazy illegal things? Obama literally droned american citizens. He ordered the death of Americans without a trial.

If we set this precedent that opens Obama and Biden to jail time for their actions.

And that’s why it will never happen

But just for a moment imagine Bush in prison. Just imagine that. Also give yourself an ice cream cone in your imagination, your choice. Let's all have a good day in imagination land. Past presidents are behind bars and we all have ice cream.

[North Washington Republic]

Are you okay with the Taliban taking over Afghanistan? Just asking.

No. But if your predecessor got a diplomatic deal signed that the US would leave the country by May 1st and you just decide to ignore it than what good is America’s word?

Well, if we do leave, Afghanistan will be under complete Taliban control quicker than a hiccup. I personally don’t mind breaking diplomatic deals when it comes to groups like the Taliban. I care about the millions of Afghans, especially women and girls that would suffer immensely under their regime.

[Galloism]

Because presidents do crazy illegal things? Obama literally droned american citizens. He ordered the death of Americans without a trial.

If we set this precedent that opens Obama and Biden to jail time for their actions.

And that’s why it will never happen

But just for a moment imagine Bush in prison. Just imagine that. Also give yourself an ice cream cone in your imagination, your choice. Let's all have a good day in imagination land. Past presidents are behind bars and we all have ice cream.

Hey, that was nice.