American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

[North Washington Republic]

I can relate. When Is was rad trad, I wanted a theocratic Catholic Government. However, I wanted the practice of very other religion to me made illegal and I wanted sodomy to be recriminalized. Basically, I wanted America to turn into the Catholic version of Saudi Arabia.

Considering how well the Catholic hierarchy handled the pedo priests? Pass.

Yeah…I was one of those super homophobic Catholics that blamed the pedo priest problem on gay men in clergy and radical liberalism within the Church.

[Atomic Testing Museum]

Personally I think we should keep Guantanamo Bay ,but we should definitely reform how the prison works so it doesn't violate human rights.

[The Black Forrest]

Same-sex attraction is not a choice anymore than opposite-sex attraction is a choice

Not sure what your point is exactly. Choice is always involved with sex. Figure, features, gender, personality, etc.

, or being made in the image and likeness of God is a choice.

Likeness of god? Massive assumption as how do you verify that claim? For all you know God could look like Alanis Morissette and likes to play skeeball.

Our inclinations are not choices.

Your inclinations guide your choices. People tend to date people with certain characteristics.

Ultimately, homosexual people are people with the same home as heterosexual people, same home as myself.

That is not true. Marriage, visitation rights, children, etc. are not available to many homosexuals.

[Biwolfia]

Same-sex attraction is not a choice anymore than opposite-sex attraction is a choice

Not sure what your point is exactly. Choice is always involved with sex. Figure, features, gender, personality, etc.

He's saying that you don't choose whether you're homosexual, just like you don't choose whether you're heterosexual.

[Rusozak]

Personally I think we should keep Guantanamo Bay ,but we should definitely reform how the prison works so it doesn't violate human rights.

Well, isn't that the point of Gitmo? It's the justice system's blind spot.

[Senkaku]

Personally I think we should keep Guantanamo Bay ,but we should definitely reform how the prison works so it doesn't violate human rights.

If you just want a normal prison I’m pretty sure we can build those here instead of maintaining them on hostile foreign islands

[The Temple of the Computer]

Same-sex attraction is not a choice anymore than opposite-sex attraction is a choice

Not sure what your point is exactly. Choice is always involved with sex. Figure, features, gender, personality, etc.

, or being made in the image and likeness of God is a choice.

Likeness of god? Massive assumption as how do you verify that claim? For all you know God could look like Alanis Morissette and like to play skeeball.

Our inclinations are not choices.

Your inclinations guide your choices. People tend to date people with certain characteristics.

Ultimately, homosexual people are people with the same home as heterosexual people, same home as myself.

That is not true. Marriage, visitation rights, children, etc. are not available to many homosexuals.

Everyone knows that God is the manliest man who has ever lived, created the spa- Wait wrong Thread. But yeah how do we know that god is not a Flying Spaghetti Monster?

[The Black Forrest]

Personally I think we should keep Guantanamo Bay ,but we should definitely reform how the prison works so it doesn't violate human rights.

Well, isn't that the point of Gitmo? It's the justice system's blind spot.

Different justice systems. Military and civilian.

[Punished UMN]

Same-sex attraction is not a choice anymore than opposite-sex attraction is a choice, or being made in the image and likeness of God is a choice. Our inclinations are not choices.

Ultimately, homosexual people are people with the same home as heterosexual people, same home as myself.

If it’s not a choice why should they not be allowed to act on those feelings, marry or have children?

I don't agree with Sun by any stretch but that's not a good argument, there are lots of things that aren't a choice that we don't let people do. Acceptance of gay people should approach from the angle of the positive qualities of love between gay couples and not on whether or not it's a choice, the former makes equivalency between love which gay partners have for each other and traditional romantic love, the latter simply equates it to an incurable condition which need only be tolerated and not endorsed or accepted.

[Myrensis]

Personally I think we should keep Guantanamo Bay ,but we should definitely reform how the prison works so it doesn't violate human rights.

Facilitating human rights violations is literally Guantanamo Bay's sole function, 'reforming' it would essentially invalidate the reason for it's existence, there would be no reason to send anybody there as opposed to a normal US prison.

[Punished UMN]

Personally I think we should keep Guantanamo Bay ,but we should definitely reform how the prison works so it doesn't violate human rights.

Facilitating human rights violations is literally Guantanamo Bay's sole function, 'reforming' it would essentially invalidate the reason for it's existence, there would be no reason to send anybody there as opposed to a normal US prison.

^ Its purpose is to be outside of ordinary legal jurisdiction.

[Sundiata]

Same-sex attraction is not a choice anymore than opposite-sex attraction is a choice, or being made in the image and likeness of God is a choice. Our inclinations are not choices.

Ultimately, homosexual people are people with the same home as heterosexual people, same home as myself.

If it’s not a choice why should they not be allowed to act on those feelings, marry or have children?

Everyone deserves to have their feelings affirmed as part of a family. I don't want to conflate different topics but I believe that all people deserve the best.

[San Lumen]

If it’s not a choice why should they not be allowed to act on those feelings, marry or have children?

I don't agree with Sun by any stretch but that's not a good argument, there are lots of things that aren't a choice that we don't let people do. Acceptance of gay people should approach from the angle of the positive qualities of love between gay couples and not on whether or not it's a choice, the former makes equivalency between love which gay partners have for each other and traditional romantic love, the latter simply equates it to an incurable condition which need only be tolerated and not endorsed or accepted.

Perhaps I should say its simply who you are. Its not a choice. Gay love is just as positive and beautiful as opposite sex love.

[North Washington Republic]

If it’s not a choice why should they not be allowed to act on those feelings, marry or have children?

I don't agree with Sun by any stretch but that's not a good argument, there are lots of things that aren't a choice that we don't let people do. Acceptance of gay people should approach from the angle of the positive qualities of love between gay couples and not on whether or not it's a choice, the former makes equivalency between love which gay partners have for each other and traditional romantic love, the latter simply equates it to an incurable condition which need only be tolerated and not endorsed or accepted.

I was of the opinion that any and all homosexual attraction was based on pure lust and man’s sinful nature. I didn’t acknowledge the romantic love that same-sex partners have for each other.

[San Lumen]

If it’s not a choice why should they not be allowed to act on those feelings, marry or have children?

Everyone deserves to have their feelings affirmed as part of a family. I don't want to conflate different topics but I believe that all people deserve the best.

You contradicting yourself. You say that you believe that acting on same sex feelings is a sin and want that enshrined into law yet you turn around and say everyone deserves to have their feelings affirmed as part of a family. You cannot have it both ways.

[Sundiata]

I don't agree with Sun by any stretch but that's not a good argument, there are lots of things that aren't a choice that we don't let people do. Acceptance of gay people should approach from the angle of the positive qualities of love between gay couples and not on whether or not it's a choice, the former makes equivalency between love which gay partners have for each other and traditional romantic love, the latter simply equates it to an incurable condition which need only be tolerated and not endorsed or accepted.

Perhaps I should say its simply who you are. Its not a choice. Gay love is just as positive and beautiful as opposite sex love.

Gay people are seeking love as they are inclined.

[Atomic Testing Museum]

I still don't think we should get rid of Guantanamo Bay. That place is kind of the United States and is a part of heritage. We already lost so much of our land to various countries in the pacific ocean. We may have gotten it on bad terms ,but that doesn't mean we should just give it up. we can spruce it up or something.

[Senkaku]

Acceptance of gay people should approach from the angle of the positive qualities of love between gay couples and not on whether or not it's a choice, the former makes equivalency between love which gay partners have for each other and traditional romantic love, the latter simply equates it to an incurable condition which need only be tolerated and not endorsed or accepted.

I guess going from being compared to lepers to being compared to straight people is an improvement but I was told equality would feel better

[Punished UMN]

I still don't think we should get rid of Guantanamo Bay. That place is kind of the United States and is a part of heritage. We already lost so much of our land to various countries in the pacific ocean. We may have gotten it on bad terms ,but that doesn't mean we should just give it up. we can spruce it up or something.

"Our illegal colonial possession that is just a military base and prison camp is part of our heritage"
Fucking who's heritage lmfao. This has to be parody

[Punished UMN]

Acceptance of gay people should approach from the angle of the positive qualities of love between gay couples and not on whether or not it's a choice, the former makes equivalency between love which gay partners have for each other and traditional romantic love, the latter simply equates it to an incurable condition which need only be tolerated and not endorsed or accepted.

I guess going from being compared to lepers to being compared to straight people is an improvement but I was told equality would feel better

Still has to be a pecking order in society, you know? Straights and gays may be in the same caste but cannot be allowed to touch the Brahmin.

[The Temple of the Computer]

I still don't think we should get rid of Guantanamo Bay. That place is kind of the United States and is a part of heritage. We already lost so much of our land to various countries in the pacific ocean. We may have gotten it on bad terms ,but that doesn't mean we should just give it up. we can spruce it up or something.

"Our illegal colonial possession that is just a military base and prison camp is part of our heritage"
Fucking who's heritage lmfao. This has to be parody

Will anyone think of the poor, poor torturers!

[Heloin]

I still don't think we should get rid of Guantanamo Bay. That place is kind of the United States and is a part of heritage. We already lost so much of our land to various countries in the pacific ocean. We may have gotten it on bad terms ,but that doesn't mean we should just give it up. we can spruce it up or something.

What is a more proud part of American heritage than torture, sexual abuse, and indefinite detention without trial.

[The Temple of the Computer]

I still don't think we should get rid of Guantanamo Bay. That place is kind of the United States and is a part of heritage. We already lost so much of our land to various countries in the pacific ocean. We may have gotten it on bad terms ,but that doesn't mean we should just give it up. we can spruce it up or something.

What is a more proud part of American heritage than torture, sexual abuse, and indefinite detention without trial.

USA! USA! USA! USA!

[North Washington Republic]

Perhaps I should say its simply who you are. Its not a choice. Gay love is just as positive and beautiful as opposite sex love.

Gay people are seeking love as they are inclined.

Do you agree with Pope Francis that same-sex couples should have a right to a civil marriage(a legal marriage, NOT one that is preformed by the Church)

[Sundiata]

You contradicting yourself. You say that you believe that acting on same sex feelings is a sin and want that enshrined into law yet you turn around and say everyone deserves to have their feelings affirmed as part of a family. You cannot have it both ways.

Everyone deserves to have a mother and father but those that don't still deserve a high quality of life in their absence. A person, particularly one who is homosexual should not be cast away from society.