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Is it no longer possible to collaborate with political opponents at this stage?

It is no longer possible.
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It is possible.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar economic views.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar cultural/social views.
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Why would I collaborate with anyone? Going monke is the best way forward.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:23 am

It stopped being possible when one side started being entirely unreasonable.

We could reform immigration if we wanted to. Make it easier for legitimate immigration to happen, and give a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants without "amnesty" (which has been made into a boogeyman).

We could make voting a guaranteed right without increasing voter fraud if we wanted to. Make government-issued IDs mandatory at polls, but free to obtain and easier to access.

Likewise:
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Andsed wrote:I mean admittedly, a forcible shutdown of fossil fuel plants would be pretty based.


Yeah. As for the 'lost jobs', just do an indefinite enhanced unemployment for them, and free job retraining if they desire. That way they can't complain they're being put out on the street.


And so on. Its just that one particular political party decided to throw a tantrum over these and many other issues because they want their way all the time, because their wealthy and elite donors want to own everything without question.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:26 am

Sex is great. But have you tried data visualizations of partisan spatial segregation?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:33 am

Grenartia wrote:It stopped being possible when one side started being entirely unreasonable.

We could reform immigration if we wanted to. Make it easier for legitimate immigration to happen, and give a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants without "amnesty" (which has been made into a boogeyman).

We could make voting a guaranteed right without increasing voter fraud if we wanted to. Make government-issued IDs mandatory at polls, but free to obtain and easier to access.

Likewise:
Grenartia wrote:
Yeah. As for the 'lost jobs', just do an indefinite enhanced unemployment for them, and free job retraining if they desire. That way they can't complain they're being put out on the street.


And so on. Its just that one particular political party decided to throw a tantrum over these and many other issues because they want their way all the time, because their wealthy and elite donors want to own everything without question.


And because their voters hate when anyone other than themselves gets aid.
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Postby Celritannia » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:34 am

The Temple of the Computer wrote:
Celritannia wrote:Is this the war of 1812? Because a Canadian just took over DC politics :lol:

What happened now? Did Ted Cruz do something stupid again?


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Postby The Temple of the Computer » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:37 am

Celritannia wrote:
The Temple of the Computer wrote:What happened now? Did Ted Cruz do something stupid again?


The OP is Canadian

Ah, I did not understand the joke, sorry.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:40 am

Fuck all this lame ass shit going on in our politics. Make Greater Cesnica prime minister of Canada and I'll run for president of the United States.
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Postby Illu-chi » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:43 am

Am I the only one who wants more subsidies for small farms, wants higher tariffs, higher corporate income tax of 30% and also a minimum corporate income tax, and also more pipelines being built along with more oil rigs and fields? Also little to no taxes on small businesses.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:47 am

Just saw a post from a guy I know who supports trump claiming that the people who died from covid actually were kidnapped and had their organs harvested and the lockdown was instituted to "cage us in and fatten us up like cattle."

I'm sorry how do I heal the divide with someone this batshit crazy?
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:47 am

Illu-chi wrote:Am I the only one who wants more subsidies for small farms, wants higher tariffs, higher corporate income tax of 30% and also a minimum corporate income tax, and also more pipelines being built along with more oil rigs and fields? Also little to no taxes on small businesses.

The last thing we need is more oil pipelines and rigs. Every cent spent on that would be better invested in nuclear.
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Postby Esthe » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:49 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Just saw a post from a guy I know who supports trump claiming that the people who died from covid actually were kidnapped and had their organs harvested and the lockdown was instituted to "cage us in and fatten us up like cattle."

I'm sorry how do I heal the divide with someone this batshit crazy?

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Postby The Opinions Guy » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:49 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Illu-chi wrote:Am I the only one who wants more subsidies for small farms, wants higher tariffs, higher corporate income tax of 30% and also a minimum corporate income tax, and also more pipelines being built along with more oil rigs and fields? Also little to no taxes on small businesses.

The last thing we need is more oil pipelines and rigs. Every cent spent on that would be better invested in nuclear.

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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:49 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Just saw a post from a guy I know who supports trump claiming that the people who died from covid actually were kidnapped and had their organs harvested and the lockdown was instituted to "cage us in and fatten us up like cattle."

I'm sorry how do I heal the divide with someone this batshit crazy?

...Why would we need to be fattened up if they were wanting to harvest organs? The point of fattening animals is to make the meat better.

Oh... wait, right, in addition to satanists and pedophiles the Leftist Elite are also cannibals, I forgot.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:50 am

Esthe wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Just saw a post from a guy I know who supports trump claiming that the people who died from covid actually were kidnapped and had their organs harvested and the lockdown was instituted to "cage us in and fatten us up like cattle."

I'm sorry how do I heal the divide with someone this batshit crazy?

I actually go on patriots.win sometimes because it’s comedy gold.


Oh apparently China was involved too cause China is like the new boogeyman of the American right.
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Postby Fedel » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:50 am

Collaboration is impossible with those who refuse to collaborate or acknowledge truth.
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Postby Illu-chi » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:50 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Just saw a post from a guy I know who supports trump claiming that the people who died from covid actually were kidnapped and had their organs harvested and the lockdown was instituted to "cage us in and fatten us up like cattle."

I'm sorry how do I heal the divide with someone this batshit crazy?

Most people who support trump aren't that crazy. He sounds like a anti-vaxxer.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:51 am

Illu-chi wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Just saw a post from a guy I know who supports trump claiming that the people who died from covid actually were kidnapped and had their organs harvested and the lockdown was instituted to "cage us in and fatten us up like cattle."

I'm sorry how do I heal the divide with someone this batshit crazy?

Most people who support trump aren't that crazy. He sounds like a anti-vaxxer.


I know alot of Trump supporters. I wouldn't say most are that crazy but they're pretty close. After the election they all sounded like a bunch of loony conspiracy theorists. This type of behavior is not the exception in trumpism, it's the rule.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:55 am

The Temple of the Computer wrote:
Torisakia wrote:I realized that I didn't want anything to do with fanbases of either side a while back. I originally didn't like one side, until I realized the other side is equally as stupid.

This is why I've voted for Godzilla in the past several elections. We wouldn't be the shithole we are now if he were President.

I am more of an Azathoth for President guy, but to each their own.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:57 am


As it seems that he’s changed his residence before the year deadline it’s entirely possible. Though he’s going to have a though time due to his mental health issues
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Postby Illu-chi » Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:59 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Illu-chi wrote:Am I the only one who wants more subsidies for small farms, wants higher tariffs, higher corporate income tax of 30% and also a minimum corporate income tax, and also more pipelines being built along with more oil rigs and fields? Also little to no taxes on small businesses.

The last thing we need is more oil pipelines and rigs. Every cent spent on that would be better invested in nuclear.

But oil is helping states like Wyoming,Alaska, Texas, and Oklahoma. The state of Wyoming gets a lot of its money from the extraction of oil and a lot of oil companies help to fund the government of Wyoming who can then put money into stuff like education. It also creates tons of jobs as well. Also burnt gas smells very nice. I do love a 2 smoker.

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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:02 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Just saw a post from a guy I know who supports trump claiming that the people who died from covid actually were kidnapped and had their organs harvested and the lockdown was instituted to "cage us in and fatten us up like cattle."

I'm sorry how do I heal the divide with someone this batshit crazy?


Can't tell if schizophrenic or just heavily indoctrinated. Maybe both.

*shrugs*

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:07 pm

Collaboration isn't dead, Congress is still more than capable of continuing the bipartisan tradition quietly giving hundreds of billions of dollars to the police and military, pandering toward rich people, and expanding surveillance :)
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:11 pm

Esthe wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Just saw a post from a guy I know who supports trump claiming that the people who died from covid actually were kidnapped and had their organs harvested and the lockdown was instituted to "cage us in and fatten us up like cattle."

I'm sorry how do I heal the divide with someone this batshit crazy?

I actually go on patriots.win sometimes because it’s comedy gold.


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Postby Illu-chi » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:12 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Illu-chi wrote:Most people who support trump aren't that crazy. He sounds like a anti-vaxxer.


I know alot of Trump supporters. I wouldn't say most are that crazy but they're pretty close. After the election they all sounded like a bunch of loony conspiracy theorists. This type of behavior is not the exception in trumpism, it's the rule.

Saying a election is rigged in the united states nowadays doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist when there was already a precedent of politicians who lose saying the election wasn't fair. So claiming a election is rigged when it really wasn't is much more believable.

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Postby Omniabstracta » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:12 pm

Illu-chi wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:The last thing we need is more oil pipelines and rigs. Every cent spent on that would be better invested in nuclear.

But oil is helping states like Wyoming,Alaska, Texas, and Oklahoma. The state of Wyoming gets a lot of its money from the extraction of oil and a lot of oil companies help to fund the government of Wyoming who can then put money into stuff like education. It also creates tons of jobs as well. Also burnt gas smells very nice. I do love a 2 smoker.

Asbestos production also used to support the economy in many places, but we’re not about to rush and reopen the asbestos mines now are we.

Also “Burnt gas smelling nice” has got to be just about the strangest argument against environmental regulations, and I feel like giving you props for the boldness, but regardless, the government is not coming for your grill.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:16 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:Collaboration isn't dead, Congress is still more than capable of continuing the bipartisan tradition quietly giving hundreds of billions of dollars to the police and military, pandering toward rich people, and expanding surveillance :)

^Valid.
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