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Is it no longer possible to collaborate with political opponents at this stage?

It is no longer possible.
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It is possible.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar economic views.
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7%
Collaboration is possible if we have similar cultural/social views.
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15%
Why would I collaborate with anyone? Going monke is the best way forward.
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Total votes : 377

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Postby Fauzjhia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:52 am

Biwolfia wrote:
Fauzjhia wrote:
Since when Canada and USA where enemies. they are best buddies in the world.
the only weird thing here, is that Canada has been buddy-buddy with Cuba, who USA really (under Pierre-Elliot Trudeau, whom Castro was a personal friend of). But Normally, given the numbers of exchange, Canada are USA's best friend, however USA do not always reciprocate to this, because we are only 23% of their international exports, while they are 70%+ of us, so USA has often been abusing their power on us.


During the War of 1812, Canada sided with the UK.


Canada was not sovereign back then, it become a country in 1867
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Postby Biwolfia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:52 am

Hispida wrote:
Biwolfia wrote:
It still technically existed, so yes it does count, because the British colonies actually had slight autonomy, with their own flags.

The 13 Colonies actually never had an official flag. The flag usually described as its flag was the Grand Union Flag, which was adopted in 1775 as a flag of the rebellion and not as a flag for the United States (since it didn't exist until 1776, but the Grand Union Flag was used until 1777, a year after the Declaration of Independence). The East India Company's flag should also not be confused with it.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:55 am

Biwolfia wrote:
Fauzjhia wrote:
Since when Canada and USA where enemies. they are best buddies in the world.
the only weird thing here, is that Canada has been buddy-buddy with Cuba, who USA really (under Pierre-Elliot Trudeau, whom Castro was a personal friend of). But Normally, given the numbers of exchange, Canada are USA's best friend, however USA do not always reciprocate to this, because we are only 23% of their international exports, while they are 70%+ of us, so USA has often been abusing their power on us.


During the War of 1812, Canada sided with the UK.

Canada didn’t exist then
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Postby Biwolfia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:56 am

Fauzjhia wrote:
Biwolfia wrote:
During the War of 1812, Canada sided with the UK.


Canada was not sovereign back then, it become a country in 1867

According to this, I believe your standpoint is that Canada sided with them because it was a colony of the UK still.
Back then, Australia and South Africa were still British colonies, but they didn't support the UK at all. They didn't even partake in the war.
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Postby Sundiata » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:56 am

Fauzjhia wrote:You will never be able to proof there is an after-live, a god, or what ever you claim there is. There is no scientific proof about the after-live. We have to government for those who currently on earth, not for a possible after-live, which we will be able to see.

You're right if we're describing these things in the sense of a tooth-fairy or a yeti. But no, among a few questions, I'm also talking about material contingency being relevant to American statecraft.
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Postby Biwolfia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:56 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Biwolfia wrote:
During the War of 1812, Canada sided with the UK.

Canada didn’t exist then

Please read the explanation above I used for Fauzjhia.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:04 am

Biwolfia wrote:
Fauzjhia wrote:
Canada was not sovereign back then, it become a country in 1867

According to this, I believe your standpoint is that Canada sided with them because it was a colony of the UK still.
Back then, Australia and South Africa were still British colonies, but they didn't support the UK at all. They didn't even partake in the war.

Canada didn’t have a choice though. It didn’t make sense for the other two to join in a war against a nation on the other side of the world that had no colonial holdings.

Canada didn’t have a choice to join wars on their own until WW2 which they joined willingly
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Postby Fauzjhia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:05 am

Biwolfia wrote:
Fauzjhia wrote:
Canada was not sovereign back then, it become a country in 1867

According to this, I believe your standpoint is that Canada sided with them because it was a colony of the UK still.
Back then, Australia and South Africa were still British colonies, but they didn't support the UK at all. They didn't even partake in the war.



Canada exist back then (lower and higher Canadas, but the UK decided everything), and the USA wanted to invade us. so obviously it was defended
but on the vast majority of the time, its the USA who use their economic power to oppress Canada, while Canada always remain friendly to the USA. its not we can do otherwise. you represent more then 70% of exports and imports. while we only represent 20-25%, I believe Mexico is an a similar situation, but strangely. the USA best friend is actually China.

I'll stop here, because this is a topic about American politics, not international relationships.
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Postby Biwolfia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:07 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Biwolfia wrote:According to this, I believe your standpoint is that Canada sided with them because it was a colony of the UK still.
Back then, Australia and South Africa were still British colonies, but they didn't support the UK at all. They didn't even partake in the war.

Canada didn’t have a choice though. It didn’t make sense for the other two to join in a war against a nation on the other side of the world that had no colonial holdings.

Canada didn’t have a choice to join wars on their own until WW2 which they joined willingly

If Canada didn't have a choice, then South Africa and Australia wouldn't have either.
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Postby Fauzjhia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:08 am

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Fauzjhia wrote:You will never be able to proof there is an after-live, a god, or what ever you claim there is. There is no scientific proof about the after-live. We have to government for those who currently on earth, not for a possible after-live, which we will be able to see.

You're right if we're describing these things in the sense of a tooth-fairy or a yeti. But no, among a few questions, I'm also talking about material contingency being relevant to American statecraft.



no, what I'm saying is that it make no sense to outlaw gay marriage, sodomy and others things that can be described as immoral because of some (POSSIBLE heavenly kingdom). Religion, That's your own personal business. You can live by your religion and not enforce your standards on everyone else.
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Federal Government announces that almost all health insurers must cover the HIV prevention pill PrEP ( pre-exposure prophylaxis) with no cost sharing, including for the drug itself and for clinic visits and lab tests

In a move that is expected to prove transformative to the national HIV-prevention effort, the federal government has announced that almost all health insurers must cover the HIV prevention pill, known as PrEP, or pre-exposure prophylaxis, with no cost sharing — including for the drug itself and, crucially, for clinic visits and lab tests.

This means the entire experience of maintaining a prescription to Truvada or Descovy, the two approved forms of PrEP, should now be totally free for almost all insured individuals. A prescribing physician, however, must persuade an insurer that Descovy in particular is medically necessary for any specific patient to qualify for zero cost sharing for that drug’s use as HIV prevention.

The guidance that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, along with the Department of Labor and the Department of the Treasury, sent to health insurers Monday indicated that insurers have 60 days to comply with the mandate. The rule says insurers must not charge copays, coinsurance or deductible payments for the quarterly clinic visits and lab tests required to maintain a PrEP prescription.

Insurers were already required to stop charging out-of-pocket fees for the medication by Jan. 1, 2021, at the latest.

These additional requirements, which will lift what has likely been a substantial barrier to PrEP access for individuals with low income in particular, are the result of the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force granting this form of HIV prevention an “A” rating in 2019. Under the Affordable Care Act, such a rating for preventive health care services, including tests for various diseases such as HIV itself, means they must be covered by almost all insurers at no cost to the insured patient. HIV prevention advocates hailed the new guidance as a game changer in the effort to promote PrEP among individuals at risk of HIV.

“While we need state Medicaid authorities and departments of insurance to follow through on implementation, this memo from the federal government literally made me jump for joy,” Jim Pickett, senior director of prevention advocacy and gay men’s health at AIDS Foundation Chicago, said. “This has the potential to wipe out many of the access obstacles we face with PrEP provision. I look forward to radical improvements in PrEP access, particularly for the communities who are most vulnerable to HIV.”

However, Carl Schmid, executive director of the HIV+Hepatitis Policy Institute, pointed out that many insurers are still not complying with the rule indicating they cannot charge consumers for their Truvada or Descovy prescriptions.

Robert Greenwald, a clinical professor of law at Harvard Law School, pledged to “work to enforce the new guidelines and ensure that the promise of this free preventive service to reduce the acquisition of HIV will be realized.”

Truvada, which contains a pair of antiretroviral medications also used to treat HIV, was approved for use as HIV prevention in 2012. Research indicates that when taken daily, the tablet reduces men’s risk of contracting the virus from sex with other men by more than 99 percent. PrEP reduces women’s risk of HIV by at least 90 percent.
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While the future is looking bright for access to PrEP on the part of people with health insurance, a fiscal crisis awaits clinics providing this form of HIV prevention to the uninsured population, as NBC News previously reported. Gilead readily provides PrEP for free to lower-income people who lack health insurance, but the pharmaceutical company does not cover the associated clinic visits and lab tests. And thanks to a crucial fiscal policy change the company has pledged to make starting Jan. 1, 2022, at least $100 million in funds that clinics that care for underserved populations have been using to cover those ancillary costs is expected to drain from their budgets.

Leaders at these clinics expect access to PrEP for people lacking health insurance to narrow as a result, possibly counterbalancing the improved access their insured counterparts will now enjoy thanks to the new federal guidance.
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Postby Biwolfia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:11 am

Fauzjhia wrote:
Biwolfia wrote:According to this, I believe your standpoint is that Canada sided with them because it was a colony of the UK still.
Back then, Australia and South Africa were still British colonies, but they didn't support the UK at all. They didn't even partake in the war.



Canada exist back then (lower and higher Canadas, but the UK decided everything), and the USA wanted to invade us. so obviously it was defended
but on the vast majority of the time, its the USA who use their economic power to oppress Canada, while Canada always remain friendly to the USA. its not we can do otherwise. you represent more then 70% of exports and imports. while we only represent 20-25%, I believe Mexico is an a similar situation, but strangely. the USA best friend is actually China.

I'll stop here, because this is a topic about American politics, not international relationships.

While it is true that America trying to expand into Canada was a cause of the war, it wasn't the only one.
The UK was still fighting the Napoleonic Wars, and didn't want America interfering and helping France.
The UK was forcing US citizens to be part of the British Royal Navy.
The US wanted to uphold its honor after British insults, like the Chesapeake affair.
These are all reasons, and there are more.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:21 am

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... lgbtq-kids

Half of states now restrict conversion therapy for LGBTQ kids

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Postby Biwolfia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:23 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/564204-half-of-states-now-restrict-conversion-therapy-for-lgbtq-kids

Half of states now restrict conversion therapy for LGBTQ kids

I wish it was all 50 states, not just half. And I wish it was completely banned.
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Postby Sundiata » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:23 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/564204-half-of-states-now-restrict-conversion-therapy-for-lgbtq-kids

Half of states now restrict conversion therapy for LGBTQ kids

Good! :)

Biwolfia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/564204-half-of-states-now-restrict-conversion-therapy-for-lgbtq-kids

Half of states now restrict conversion therapy for LGBTQ kids

I wish it was all 50 states, not just half. And I wish it was completely banned.

Absolutely.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:23 am

Biwolfia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/564204-half-of-states-now-restrict-conversion-therapy-for-lgbtq-kids

Half of states now restrict conversion therapy for LGBTQ kids

I wish it was all 50 states, not just half. And I wish it was completely banned.


As it do I. It should be completely banned. Its a quack science that causes harm to those its inflicted on. It amounts to torture.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:24 am

Sundiata wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/564204-half-of-states-now-restrict-conversion-therapy-for-lgbtq-kids

Half of states now restrict conversion therapy for LGBTQ kids

Good! :)

Biwolfia wrote:I wish it was all 50 states, not just half. And I wish it was completely banned.

Absolutely.


Given what you've said about LGBT people I'm surprised you support banning this. What's your rationale?

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Postby Biwolfia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:26 am

San Lumen wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Good! :)


Absolutely.


Given what you've said about LGBT people I'm surprised you support banning this. What's your rationale?

Yeah. I mean I'm happy you support the banning of this, but this is very unprecedented.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:38 am

San Lumen wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Good! :)


Absolutely.


Given what you've said about LGBT people I'm surprised you support banning this. What's your rationale?


Sundiata wants to have his cake and eat it too essentially. He wants a theocratic Catholic Government that somehow also doesn't force people to live according to Catholic doctrine via violence
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Postby Immortan Khan » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:04 am

Fauzjhia wrote:
Biwolfia wrote:There have only been like 6 cases of the US getting along with its enemies: UK, Canada, France, Japan, USSR, Germany


Since when Canada and USA where enemies.

Up until the end of WWII, Canadian and American relations zig-zagged between cordial to frosty to outright hostility.
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Postby Immortan Khan » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:06 am

Biwolfia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Canada didn’t have a choice though. It didn’t make sense for the other two to join in a war against a nation on the other side of the world that had no colonial holdings.

Canada didn’t have a choice to join wars on their own until WW2 which they joined willingly

If Canada didn't have a choice, then South Africa and Australia wouldn't have either.

Technically they were at war with the US.
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Postby Immortan Khan » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:07 am

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Given what you've said about LGBT people I'm surprised you support banning this. What's your rationale?


Sundiata wants to have his cake and eat it too essentially.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:09 am

Sex is great. But have you tried data visualizations of partisan spatial segregation?
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:10 am

Biwolfia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Canada didn’t have a choice though. It didn’t make sense for the other two to join in a war against a nation on the other side of the world that had no colonial holdings.

Canada didn’t have a choice to join wars on their own until WW2 which they joined willingly

If Canada didn't have a choice, then South Africa and Australia wouldn't have either.

What you aren’t understanding is that it didn’t make economic sense to drag to colonies that where halfway across the world to fight a nation that had no overseas colonies to gain.
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