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The Alma Mater wrote:

Sundiata wrote:Not live their life alone, no, not necessarily. Nonetheless, it's a reasonable cost for entry into heaven. All struggles in this life are small in comparison to what we get.

So basically no sacrifice is too big ? No demand unreasonable ? There is no line ?

In exchange for what you get? No. That's my position when I approach the purpose of the American government. It's about those governed in the past, those governed now, and those governed in the future. Have we delivered? Do we deliver? Will we deliver? And for so many people, these aren't just material questions, or even mostly material questions.

Thermodolia wrote:

Biwolfia wrote:There have only been like 6 cases of the US getting along with its enemies: UK, Canada, France, Japan, USSR, Germany

France and the US where never enemies though, also you forgot spain and mexico

Not really America but french and indian war.

Sundiata wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
So basically no sacrifice is too big ? No demand unreasonable ? There is no line ?

In exchange for what you get? No. That's my position when I approach the purpose of the American government. It's about those governed in the past, those governed now, and those governed in the future. Have we delivered? Do we deliver? Will we deliver? And for so many people, these aren't just material questions, or even mostly material questions.

Thats not a life I want to live and neither would most LGBT people.

Sundiata wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
So basically no sacrifice is too big ? No demand unreasonable ? There is no line ?

In exchange for what you get? No. That's my position when I approach the purpose of the American government. It's about those governed in the past, those governed now, and those governed in the future. Have we delivered? Do we deliver? Will we deliver? And for so many people, these aren't just material questions, or even mostly material questions.

I see. Like Abraham, you would not hesitate to kill your son.

Neutraligon wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:France and the US where never enemies though, also you forgot spain and mexico

Not really America but french and indian war.

Ya but that doesn’t really count as that’s more of an example of the UK and France being enemies but later getting along

Neutraligon wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:France and the US where never enemies though, also you forgot spain and mexico

Not really America but french and indian war.

Also the Iraq War, when the American public turned on France because they declined Bush's call to arms.

San Lumen wrote:

Sundiata wrote:In exchange for what you get? No. That's my position when I approach the purpose of the American government. It's about those governed in the past, those governed now, and those governed in the future. Have we delivered? Do we deliver? Will we deliver? And for so many people, these aren't just material questions, or even mostly material questions.

Thats not a life I want to live and neither would most LGBT people.

I believe you, it's a lot to ask of all people, including members of the LGBT community.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Sundiata wrote:In exchange for what you get? No. That's my position when I approach the purpose of the American government. It's about those governed in the past, those governed now, and those governed in the future. Have we delivered? Do we deliver? Will we deliver? And for so many people, these aren't just material questions, or even mostly material questions.

I see. Like Abraham, you would not hesitate to kill your son.

I mean, they did say they would kill all the people on this planet if they had to choose between pressing a button to kill 1 and pressing a button to kill 5 where the consequence of not pressing a button is that every human on the planet dies.

Thermodolia wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:Not really America but french and indian war.

Ya but that doesn’t really count as that’s more of an example of the UK and France being enemies but later getting along

But done on behalf of the American colonies and also with Americans taking part, and on what would be American soil.

Sundiata wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Thats not a life I want to live and neither would most LGBT people.

I believe you, it's a lot to ask of all people, including members of the LGBT community.

The US is not a theocracy and never will be. You can go move to the Vatican if you want a Christian theocracy

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

Biwolfia wrote:There have only been like 6 cases of the US getting along with its enemies: UK, Canada, France, Japan, USSR, Germany

We only got along with the USSR during specific times. Normally, we were at each other's throats.

From like Chernobyl to when USSR fell, the US was actually pretty friendly with them.

Sundiata wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Thats not a life I want to live and neither would most LGBT people.

I believe you, it's a lot to ask of all people, including members of the LGBT community.

Not to mention it would be unconstitutional to mandate that. Its not just a lot to ask its a completely ridiculous thing to ask of LGBT to never be intimate with anyone and never be in a relationship.

Neutraligon wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Ya but that doesn’t really count as that’s more of an example of the UK and France being enemies but later getting along

But done on behalf of the American colonies and also with Americans taking part, and on what would be American soil.

Yes but it was also fought across the world too. We don’t say that South Africa is now friends with the Zulu after having fought them while they where a colony of the UK

Sundiata wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Thats not a life I want to live and neither would most LGBT people.

I believe you, it's a lot to ask of all people, including members of the LGBT community.

Which is why you've been told here and in the CDT that your ideas of governance are appalling

Sundiata wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Thats not a life I want to live and neither would most LGBT people.

I believe you, it's a lot to ask of all people, including members of the LGBT community.

But it’s a sacrifice you’re more then willing to force other people to make.

Thermodolia wrote:

Biwolfia wrote:There have only been like 6 cases of the US getting along with its enemies: UK, Canada, France, Japan, USSR, Germany

France and the US where never enemies though, also you forgot spain and mexico

Two things:
1. Sorry for forgetting them
2. Yes they were; let me take you back to the time called the French and Indian War; also because we didn't support them during the French Revolution, there was some... tensions between the two.

Thermodolia wrote:

Sundiata wrote:I believe you, it's a lot to ask of all people, including members of the LGBT community.

The US is not a theocracy and never will be. You can go move to the Vatican if you want a Christian theocracy

I actually wish I could take you up on that. It's not that I wouldn't if I could, I just don't think I can for many reasons.

Biwolfia wrote:There have only been like 6 cases of the US getting along with its enemies: UK, Canada, France, Japan, USSR, Germany

Since when Canada and USA where enemies. they are best buddies in the world.
the only weird thing here, is that Canada has been buddy-buddy with Cuba, who USA really (under Pierre-Elliot Trudeau, whom Castro was a personal friend of). But Normally, given the numbers of exchange, Canada are USA's best friend, however USA do not always reciprocate to this, because we are only 23% of their international exports, while they are 70%+ of us, so USA has often been abusing their power on us.

Sundiata wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
So basically no sacrifice is too big ? No demand unreasonable ? There is no line ?

In exchange for what you get? No. That's my position when I approach the purpose of the American government. It's about those governed in the past, those governed now, and those governed in the future. Have we delivered? Do we deliver? Will we deliver? And for so many people, these aren't just material questions, or even mostly material questions.

You will never be able to proof there is an after-live, a god, or what ever you claim there is. There is no scientific proof about the after-live. We have to government for those who currently on earth, not for a possible after-live, which we will be able to see.
I have impression of reading a pre-machiaveli position here.

Biwolfia wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:France and the US where never enemies though, also you forgot spain and mexico

Two things:
1. Sorry for forgetting them
2. Yes they were; let me take you back to the time called the French and Indian War; also because we didn't support them during the French Revolution, there was some... tensions between the two.

First off the French Indian war doesn’t count because the US didn’t exist and was a British colony. And second that’s not enough to be enemies

Fauzjhia wrote:

Biwolfia wrote:There have only been like 6 cases of the US getting along with its enemies: UK, Canada, France, Japan, USSR, Germany

Since when Canada and USA where enemies. they are best buddies in the world.
the only weird thing here, is that Canada has been buddy-buddy with Cuba, who USA really (under Pierre-Elliot Trudeau, whom Castro was a personal friend of). But Normally, given the numbers of exchange, Canada are USA's best friend, however USA do not always reciprocate to this, because we are only 23% of their international exports, while they are 70%+ of us, so USA has often been abusing their power on us.

During the War of 1812, Canada sided with the UK.

Thermodolia wrote:

Biwolfia wrote:
Two things:
1. Sorry for forgetting them
2. Yes they were; let me take you back to the time called the French and Indian War; also because we didn't support them during the French Revolution, there was some... tensions between the two.

First off the French Indian war doesn’t count because the US didn’t exist and was a British colony. And second that’s not enough to be enemies

It still technically existed, so yes it does count, because the British colonies actually had slight autonomy, with their own flags.

Biwolfia wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:France and the US where never enemies though, also you forgot spain and mexico

Two things:
1. Sorry for forgetting them
2. Yes they were; let me take you back to the time called the French and Indian War; also because we didn't support them during the French Revolution, there was some... tensions between the two.

There was the actual example of the Quasi-War you could have used instead of a war before the US existed and a lack of support for the French Revolution.

Not that your premise makes much since to begin with.

Thermodolia wrote:

Biwolfia wrote:
Two things:
1. Sorry for forgetting them
2. Yes they were; let me take you back to the time called the French and Indian War; also because we didn't support them during the French Revolution, there was some... tensions between the two.

First off the French Indian war doesn’t count because the US didn’t exist and was a British colony. And second that’s not enough to be enemies

Well, If I remember a certain documentary, (De Gaulle, l'homme à abattre, surely there is an English version), The USA number 1 enemy for a very long time was General De Gaulle. EDIT : no its a french documentary, so sorry.

Biwolfia wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:First off the French Indian war doesn’t count because the US didn’t exist and was a British colony. And second that’s not enough to be enemies

It still technically existed, so yes it does count, because the British colonies actually had slight autonomy, with their own flags.

The 13 Colonies actually never had an official flag. The flag usually described as its flag was the Grand Union Flag, which was adopted in 1775 as a flag of the rebellion and not as a flag for the United States (since it didn't exist until 1776, but the Grand Union Flag was used until 1777, a year after the Declaration of Independence). The East India Company's flag should also not be confused with it.

Fauzjhia wrote:I have impression of reading a pre-machiaveli position here.

That's because in some sense, you are. I am not a Machiavellian, in the sense of his 'The Prince.' From my understanding, ends are just as important as the means as both must good. Not any will is to be done, but good will.