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Is it no longer possible to collaborate with political opponents at this stage?

It is no longer possible.
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It is possible.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar economic views.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar cultural/social views.
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16%
Why would I collaborate with anyone? Going monke is the best way forward.
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Total votes : 653

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The Black Forrest wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
Hold up. Young people liked him…because he could meme? Holy shit! That’s…sad. I’m sorry but that is just…childish…


Why?

Consider the one issue voters. Isn’t that kind of childish? To pick one issue; this guy is a meat sack but I will vote for him because he supports guns.

If you are truly dedicated to one cause over all others, then you should prioritize said cause. Some people only care about some issues facing society, not all.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:25 am

Genivaria wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
That's because our system of government is bad and un-representative.

This is objectively true no matter which side you're on.

I concur.
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What does the Office of Export Enforcement have to do with this? :eyebrow:

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and more

Currently, the websites for Press TV, the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting’s (IRIB) Al-Alam TV channel and the Yemeni Al-Masirah TV — which is operated by the Iran-linked Yemeni Houthi movement — all have a Department of Justice disclaimer image announcing the website seizures. The DOJ disclaimer on each website states the particular domain “has been seized by the United States Government in accordance with a seizure warrant issued pursuant to the 18 U.S.C. §§ 981, 982, and 50 U.S.C. 1701-1705 as part of a law enforcement action by the Bureau of Industry and Security, Office of Export Enforcement and Federal Bureau of Investigation.” It was not immediately clear when the websites were seized. The DOJ did not respond to an American Military News request for comment at the time this article was published.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:39 am

Genivaria wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
That's because our system of government is bad and un-representative.

This is objectively true no matter which side you're on.

Based on our different political views on all issues. This is one of the things I mean by in Politics everything works both ways?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:02 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Genivaria wrote:This is objectively true no matter which side you're on.


Multiparty system/parliamentary system ftw.


How would that solve the nasty attitudes we have going on now?
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:03 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Genivaria wrote:This is objectively true no matter which side you're on.

Based on our different political views on all issues. This is one of the things I mean by in Politics everything works both ways?

If you believe the election was rigged enough to change it's outcome, would that not make our government bad for failing to stop such mass scale fraud, and unrepresentative for having people who should be president? Plus, if the government was representative, we'd have a lot more socialists and a lot more monarchists.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:04 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Multiparty system/parliamentary system ftw.


How would that solve the nasty attitudes we have going on now?

It'd let about a third of the people in this thread vote for people they actually want to vote for instead of the lesser two evils, so people wouldn't be violently trying to start radical change.
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This is exactly as it should be. Its awesome that the US can decide what's online and what isn't to some extent. Plus the US invented most of the underlying technology that allows the internet to exist.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:11 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
How would that solve the nasty attitudes we have going on now?

It'd let about a third of the people in this thread vote for people they actually want to vote for instead of the lesser two evils, so people wouldn't be violently trying to start radical change.


Ahhh the lessor of two evils. It’s always fascinating to hear “not my guy” comments. I am not sure how the lessor of three evils will solve much. It’s not like there aren’t other options on the ballot. The problem of the third parties is the problem of the devil you know. How is a libertarian/green/whatever making campaign promises any different then the rep/demo? People tend to stick with what they know.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:20 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:It'd let about a third of the people in this thread vote for people they actually want to vote for instead of the lesser two evils, so people wouldn't be violently trying to start radical change.


Ahhh the lessor of two evils. It’s always fascinating to hear “not my guy” comments. I am not sure how the lessor of three evils will solve much. It’s not like there aren’t other options on the ballot. The problem of the third parties is the problem of the devil you know. How is a libertarian/green/whatever making campaign promises any different then the rep/demo? People tend to stick with what they know.

I mean, Israel has like 10 separate parties. Another example is Weimar Republic Germany, which in 1928 had 14 parties represented, except the US isn't poor, so that probably means there would be less fascists and socialists. Plus, do you really expect the other parties to not campaign?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:21 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:It'd let about a third of the people in this thread vote for people they actually want to vote for instead of the lesser two evils, so people wouldn't be violently trying to start radical change.


Ahhh the lessor of two evils. It’s always fascinating to hear “not my guy” comments. I am not sure how the lessor of three evils will solve much. It’s not like there aren’t other options on the ballot. The problem of the third parties is the problem of the devil you know. How is a libertarian/green/whatever making campaign promises any different then the rep/demo? People tend to stick with what they know.

I think we finally agree on something, Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Socialists and whatevers are all the same?
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Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont (D) signs legislation legalizing recreational marijuana

Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont (D) on Tuesday signed legislation legalizing recreational marijuana for adults in the state, becoming the 18th U.S. state to legalize the drug.

Beginning on July 1, recreational marijuana will be legal for all adults aged 21 and older, according to a press release from the governor's office. Adults will be permitted to carry up to one and a half ounces on their person as well as keep five ounces secured in a home or vehicle.

"People have been working on this for 10 years. It’s been a long time coming. I think we have a good bill that puts public health first," the Connecticut governor said when signing the bill, NBC Connecticut reported. [...] The bill that Lamont signed also expunges most marijuana convictions that occurred between January 1, 2000 and October 1, 2015.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:34 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ahhh the lessor of two evils. It’s always fascinating to hear “not my guy” comments. I am not sure how the lessor of three evils will solve much. It’s not like there aren’t other options on the ballot. The problem of the third parties is the problem of the devil you know. How is a libertarian/green/whatever making campaign promises any different then the rep/demo? People tend to stick with what they know.

I mean, Israel has like 10 separate parties. Another example is Weimar Republic Germany, which in 1928 had 14 parties represented, except the US isn't poor, so that probably means there would be less fascists and socialists. Plus, do you really expect the other parties to not campaign?


Na there'd be a lot of socialists. Support for socialism, communism and Marxism is shockingly high among Millennials and Gen Z and seems set to keep growing. Guess it turns out that growing up while the capitalist system and world at large fails tends to radicalize people.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:36 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ahhh the lessor of two evils. It’s always fascinating to hear “not my guy” comments. I am not sure how the lessor of three evils will solve much. It’s not like there aren’t other options on the ballot. The problem of the third parties is the problem of the devil you know. How is a libertarian/green/whatever making campaign promises any different then the rep/demo? People tend to stick with what they know.

I mean, Israel has like 10 separate parties. Another example is Weimar Republic Germany, which in 1928 had 14 parties represented, except the US isn't poor, so that probably means there would be less fascists and socialists. Plus, do you really expect the other parties to not campaign?


Not to campaign? Why would I expect that?

I think they would have better chances of they took the longer term grass roots approach rather then trying to be the vote disrupter in the major elections.

I remember the libertarians having booths at university. Decades later I am taking my kid to uni and there is the booth. Not sure it will change much to give them a seat at the proverbial table.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:37 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:I mean, Israel has like 10 separate parties. Another example is Weimar Republic Germany, which in 1928 had 14 parties represented, except the US isn't poor, so that probably means there would be less fascists and socialists. Plus, do you really expect the other parties to not campaign?


Na there'd be a lot of socialists. Support for socialism, communism and Marxism is shockingly high among Millennials and Gen Z and seems set to keep growing. Guess it turns out that growing up while the capitalist system and world at large fails tends to radicalize people.


Are they? Or is it more the “edgy” thing to be.

The ones my way seem to have that “I’m so edgy” feeling…..
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:38 pm

Kowani wrote:Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont (D) signs legislation legalizing recreational marijuana

Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont (D) on Tuesday signed legislation legalizing recreational marijuana for adults in the state, becoming the 18th U.S. state to legalize the drug.

Beginning on July 1, recreational marijuana will be legal for all adults aged 21 and older, according to a press release from the governor's office. Adults will be permitted to carry up to one and a half ounces on their person as well as keep five ounces secured in a home or vehicle.

"People have been working on this for 10 years. It’s been a long time coming. I think we have a good bill that puts public health first," the Connecticut governor said when signing the bill, NBC Connecticut reported. [...] The bill that Lamont signed also expunges most marijuana convictions that occurred between January 1, 2000 and October 1, 2015.


That is 18 states where it is legal for recreational use. An additional 10 states where it is a civil not criminal infraction for recreational use. 8 states where it is legal for medical marijuana.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:39 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Na there'd be a lot of socialists. Support for socialism, communism and Marxism is shockingly high among Millennials and Gen Z and seems set to keep growing. Guess it turns out that growing up while the capitalist system and world at large fails tends to radicalize people.


Are they? Or is it more the “edgy” thing to be.

The ones my way seem to have that “I’m so edgy” feeling…..


There's not really anything edgy about socialism unless you're, like, an unironic Posadist or something.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:40 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Kowani wrote:Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont (D) signs legislation legalizing recreational marijuana

Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont (D) on Tuesday signed legislation legalizing recreational marijuana for adults in the state, becoming the 18th U.S. state to legalize the drug.

Beginning on July 1, recreational marijuana will be legal for all adults aged 21 and older, according to a press release from the governor's office. Adults will be permitted to carry up to one and a half ounces on their person as well as keep five ounces secured in a home or vehicle.

"People have been working on this for 10 years. It’s been a long time coming. I think we have a good bill that puts public health first," the Connecticut governor said when signing the bill, NBC Connecticut reported. [...] The bill that Lamont signed also expunges most marijuana convictions that occurred between January 1, 2000 and October 1, 2015.


That is 18 states where it is legal for recreational use. An additional 10 states where it is a civil not criminal infraction for recreational use. 8 states where it is legal for medical marijuana.
of course the oregoner knows the legal status of drugs... :p
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:42 pm

Kowani wrote:Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont (D) signs legislation legalizing recreational marijuana

Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont (D) on Tuesday signed legislation legalizing recreational marijuana for adults in the state, becoming the 18th U.S. state to legalize the drug.

Beginning on July 1, recreational marijuana will be legal for all adults aged 21 and older, according to a press release from the governor's office. Adults will be permitted to carry up to one and a half ounces on their person as well as keep five ounces secured in a home or vehicle.

"People have been working on this for 10 years. It’s been a long time coming. I think we have a good bill that puts public health first," the Connecticut governor said when signing the bill, NBC Connecticut reported. [...] The bill that Lamont signed also expunges most marijuana convictions that occurred between January 1, 2000 and October 1, 2015.


Based


Now legalise it for recreation.

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:45 pm

Kowani wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
That is 18 states where it is legal for recreational use. An additional 10 states where it is a civil not criminal infraction for recreational use. 8 states where it is legal for medical marijuana.
of course the oregoner knows the legal status of drugs... :p

Must admit was very weird to see weed being sold when I moved here.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:49 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Kowani wrote:Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont (D) signs legislation legalizing recreational marijuana

Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont (D) on Tuesday signed legislation legalizing recreational marijuana for adults in the state, becoming the 18th U.S. state to legalize the drug.

Beginning on July 1, recreational marijuana will be legal for all adults aged 21 and older, according to a press release from the governor's office. Adults will be permitted to carry up to one and a half ounces on their person as well as keep five ounces secured in a home or vehicle.

"People have been working on this for 10 years. It’s been a long time coming. I think we have a good bill that puts public health first," the Connecticut governor said when signing the bill, NBC Connecticut reported. [...] The bill that Lamont signed also expunges most marijuana convictions that occurred between January 1, 2000 and October 1, 2015.


That is 18 states where it is legal for recreational use. An additional 10 states where it is a civil not criminal infraction for recreational use. 8 states where it is legal for medical marijuana.


I'm going to hazard a guess that Texas is not one of those.
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