American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

[Jeriga]

What makes this even more distasteful is that no other nation does this. Yes, they have legal and illegal immigration but if you're in their country and need medical aid they just fucking give it to you.

And good lord has he added a small novella to his completely useless list of imaginary people who supposedly agree with him as if having anyone agree with you is relevant in the fucking least. But that's a whole other bag o' beans.
I'm going to make that a phrase.

oh are you are saying I GMS am the only Person in the USA and the world who strongly agrees with me? We strongly disagree with you guys on most issues, what a coincidence, are you guys surprised, are you guys shocked, without calling us Trump Cultists and any such terms, which you guys are allowed to do? I Post on right wing Political Forums, and all the right wing news sites? Many leftists Post to us on the right wing news sites and insult Republican President Trump and insult us? The right wingers quote me, strongly agree with me, and upvote me? I quote them, strongly agree with them, and upvote them? They invite me to their NS Regions and Discord regions with my many main NS Nations, and I join them on it? They congratulate me for defending our views on NS and Discord? Recently I joined one of those NS regions? What a coincidence, are you guys surprised, are you guys shocked, Without calling us Trump Cultists and any such terms, Which you guys are allowed to do? Since you are going to make that Phrase, Please read my Sig, but I cant force any of you to read my Sig? GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto, Proud Republican, Nationalist Patriot Citizen of the USA, Proud Republican President Trump Supporter of the USA. With Pride and Honor. I am having a massive lol attack at the contexts of your post, Anyone Please call 911?

No. We are saying it's not relevant to the discussion who does and does not agree with you. In fact, it's a logical fallacy called bandwagon. "These people agree with me, so that means I'm right in my views"

[Greater Miami Shores]

oh are you are saying I GMS am the only Person in the USA and the world who strongly agrees with me? We strongly disagree with you guys on most issues, what a coincidence, are you guys surprised, are you guys shocked, without calling us Trump Cultists and any such terms, which you guys are allowed to do? I Post on right wing Political Forums, and all the right wing news sites? Many leftists Post to us on the right wing news sites and insult Republican President Trump and insult us? The right wingers quote me, strongly agree with me, and upvote me? I quote them, strongly agree with them, and upvote them? They invite me to their NS Regions and Discord regions with my many main NS Nations, and I join them on it? They congratulate me for defending our views on NS and Discord? Recently I joined one of those NS regions? What a coincidence, are you guys surprised, are you guys shocked, Without calling us Trump Cultists and any such terms, Which you guys are allowed to do? Since you are going to make that Phrase, Please read my Sig, but I cant force any of you to read my Sig? GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto, Proud Republican, Nationalist Patriot Citizen of the USA, Proud Republican President Trump Supporter of the USA. With Pride and Honor. I am having a massive lol attack at the contexts of your post, Anyone Please call 911?

No. We are saying it's not relevant to the discussion who does and does not agree with you. In fact, it's a logical fallacy called bandwagon. "These people agree with me, so that means I'm right in my views"

Dude, I have never said, I am right and you guys are wrong on any issues, not even on my native Cuba? Cannotthinkofaname, is the one who implied I am the only Person on NS and the world who agrees with me? Or My English Not Very Good? He states imaginary persons? All your posts are relevant to the discussions, all my posts are relevant to the discussions. because they are my words, my posts and my views? All our words, posts and views are relevant to the discussions, because they are our words, posts and views? All we have to do is respectfully and strongly disagree with each other, like I do? I Rest My Case? I Rest Our Case?

[Cannot think of a name]

oh are you are saying I GMS am the only Person in the USA and the world who strongly agrees with me? We strongly disagree with you guys on most issues, what a coincidence, are you guys surprised, are you guys shocked, without calling us Trump Cultists and any such terms, which you guys are allowed to do? I Post on right wing Political Forums, and all the right wing news sites? Many leftists Post to us on the right wing news sites and insult Republican President Trump and insult us? The right wingers quote me, strongly agree with me, and upvote me? I quote them, strongly agree with them, and upvote them? They invite me to their NS Regions and Discord regions with my many main NS Nations, and I join them on it? They congratulate me for defending our views on NS and Discord? Recently I joined one of those NS regions? What a coincidence, are you guys surprised, are you guys shocked, Without calling us Trump Cultists and any such terms, Which you guys are allowed to do? Since you are going to make that Phrase, Please read my Sig, but I cant force any of you to read my Sig? GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto, Proud Republican, Nationalist Patriot Citizen of the USA, Proud Republican President Trump Supporter of the USA. With Pride and Honor. I am having a massive lol attack at the contexts of your post, Anyone Please call 911?

No. We are saying it's not relevant to the discussion who does and does not agree with you. In fact, it's a logical fallacy called bandwagon. "These people agree with me, so that means I'm right in my views"

Made even more complicated by the fact that more people disagree with him, so not only is he bringing up the completely useless insistence about people agreeing with what he's saying like they're fucking signing off on his posts, but he's going "I'm on the shitty bandwagon!"

But if he didn't include all that crap his posts would just be "I disagree" which I think we can all take on faith.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Video Link Provided: Many American students in American colleges are being taught to hate America. To hate the USA. As they say, their views are shaped in colleges by their Professors. They site racism against Black American citizens in the history of the USA. But we recently had the first Black Democrat President of the USA elected and reelected. Democrat President Obama. Many Americans take a knee against the Pledge of Allegiance, the national anthem and the Flag of the USA, that are the symbols that represent their democratic rights to strongly and peacefully disagree with their government. Want to defund the Police. The good Cops, Police officers, like my good, Cuban Cousin Cop, Police officer. Primo. It is shameful and disgraceful. Here are a few excerpts:

Georgetown, University Students Celebrate the Fourth of July by Slamming America. The USA.
Students on the campus of Georgetown University said they are not proud to be an American when interviewed shortly before the Fourth of July holiday, adding that they would give up their American citizenship. The students, however, were unable to name better country than the United States. With Independence Day just around the corner, Campus Reform‘s Ophelie Jacobson went to Georgetown University to ask students if they feel proud to be an American. “No,” one student said. “I feel embarrassed to be an American every day. I GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto, feel Proud to be an American Patriot Citizen of the USA everyday, with Pride and Honor. “No. Be proud of what?” a fourth student answered. “And what is there to be proud about. The students also admitted they would be willing to move out of the United States, and even give up their U.S. citizenship. When asked if they think college is responsible for shaping their worldview, many agreed. Shameful and disgraceful. I know Republican President Trump of the USA, and most Republicans strongly agree with me. We have discussed these issues, at the right wing Political Forum sites I Post on. The right wing news sites I Post on, the Trump campaign rallies and at the Trump campaign meetings. As well on NS and Discord.

Video Link Provided:
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/07/ ... g-america/

[The United Confederacy of Texas]

Since it's still a few minutes 'till midnight, happy 4th to everyone

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Video Link Provided:
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/07/ ... g-america/

One, that's Breitbart, so it's already showing a form of bias. Second, I checked the channel that posted that video, Campus Reform, and they're a conservative news site that follows conservative talking points and used charged language on occasion to fit their viewpoints, so it's also biased. Don't get me wrong, there are folks on college campuses likely to be critical to the United States, but claiming that the professors are influencing their views to become anti-American seems a bit ridiculous. Also, I doubt a majority of Americans are actually protesting against the Pledge, anthem, and flag, and even then, they have the right to do so, as you say.

[The Alma Mater]

Also, I doubt a majority of Americans are actually protesting against the Pledge, anthem, and flag, and even then, they have the right to do so, as you say.

To be fair, many people outside the USA do think the whole "pledging allegiance to the flag daily" thing is a bit... odd... in a brainwashy cultist way.
Also, since there is a correlation between atheism and higher education, I can imagine some very patriotic students still objecting to saying "under god" and preferring the old e pluribus unum.

But those are assumptions.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Since it's still a few minutes 'till midnight, happy 4th to everyone

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Video Link Provided:
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/07/ ... g-america/

One, that's Breitbart, so it's already showing a form of bias. Second, I checked the channel that posted that video, Campus Reform, and they're a conservative news site that follows conservative talking points and used charged language on occasion to fit their viewpoints, so it's also biased. Don't get me wrong, there are folks on college campuses likely to be critical to the United States, but claiming that the professors are influencing their views to become anti-American seems a bit ridiculous. Also, I doubt a majority of Americans are actually protesting against the Pledge, anthem, and flag, and even then, they have the right to do so, as you say.

The students interviewed on the videos are stating, the Professors at the colleges influence their views? The video links speak for them not for right wing Breitbart and right wing Campus reform? I think it is a very well know fact, most Professors are leftists. Leftist news sites like, MSNBC, the Progressive, the Guardian and other such news sites, are biased in favor of the left? I for one don't put them down for it. I for one don't call them garbage and rags? As certain leftists on NS say about Breitbart and other right news sites? I just strongly disagree with them? A certain leftist person had the nerve to decide for me which news sites, I should post from, link from and comment from? What a coincidence they all strongly agree with the leftist persons political views? They all strongly disagree with my right wing political views, what a coincidence? As I say on my sig, we all have a democratic right to our different views? I cant force you or any persons to read my sig?

[Sincluda]

Since it's still a few minutes 'till midnight, happy 4th to everyone


One, that's Breitbart, so it's already showing a form of bias. Second, I checked the channel that posted that video, Campus Reform, and they're a conservative news site that follows conservative talking points and used charged language on occasion to fit their viewpoints, so it's also biased. Don't get me wrong, there are folks on college campuses likely to be critical to the United States, but claiming that the professors are influencing their views to become anti-American seems a bit ridiculous. Also, I doubt a majority of Americans are actually protesting against the Pledge, anthem, and flag, and even then, they have the right to do so, as you say.

I think it is very well know fact, most Professors are leftists.

Definitely not.

[The United Confederacy of Texas]

Also, I doubt a majority of Americans are actually protesting against the Pledge, anthem, and flag, and even then, they have the right to do so, as you say.

To be fair, many people outside the USA do think the whole "pledging allegiance to the flag daily" thing is a bit... odd... in a brainwashy cultist way.
Also, since there is a correlation between atheism and higher education, I can imagine some very patriotic students still objecting to saying "under god" and preferring the old e pluribus unum.

But those are assumptions.

Yeh, I can concede that European members of a Discord server I'm in do think the Pledge is off. As for the "Under God" part, I'll say it despite being an atheist (I don't like it, but I'll put up with it to avoid the arguments), but "E Pluribus Unum" does come off as a good way to still be patriotic and avoid the religious connotations (plus the 13 letters make it symbolic).

[The Alma Mater]

I think it is very well know fact, most Professors are leftists.

Definitely not.

With the risk of being called out on mentioning this again: depends on how you define leftist. If the definition is "left of Trumpist republicans" it probably is true.

[Cannot think of a name]

I think it is very well know fact, most Professors are leftists.

Definitely not.

It's a well known thing people keep saying, some people like to pretend if you say something a lot it's also a fact.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Definitely not.

It's a well known thing people keep saying, some people like to pretend if you say something a lot it's also a fact.

Dude, I strongly agree with you, it works both ways, if you guys keep saying something is a fact, it becomes a fact to you guys, it works both ways, not just one way, in Politics everything works both ways. The Republicans are not Political Saints? The Democrats are not Political Saints? I Rest My Case? I Rest our Case?

[Fauzjhia]

Video Link Provided: Many American students in American colleges are being taught to hate America. To hate the USA. As they say, their views are shaped in colleges by their Professors. They site racism against Black American citizens in the history of the USA. But we recently had the first Black Democrat President of the USA elected and reelected. Democrat President Obama. Many Americans take a knee against the Pledge of Allegiance, the national anthem and the Flag of the USA, that are the symbols that represent their democratic rights to strongly and peacefully disagree with their government. Want to defund the Police. The good Cops, Police officers, like my good, Cuban Cousin Cop, Police officer. Primo. It is shameful and disgraceful. Here are a few excerpts:

Georgetown, University Students Celebrate the Fourth of July by Slamming America. The USA.
Students on the campus of Georgetown University said they are not proud to be an American when interviewed shortly before the Fourth of July holiday, adding that they would give up their American citizenship. The students, however, were unable to name better country than the United States. With Independence Day just around the corner, Campus Reform‘s Ophelie Jacobson went to Georgetown University to ask students if they feel proud to be an American. “No,” one student said. “I feel embarrassed to be an American every day. I GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto, feel Proud to be an American Patriot Citizen of the USA everyday, with Pride and Honor. “No. Be proud of what?” a fourth student answered. “And what is there to be proud about. The students also admitted they would be willing to move out of the United States, and even give up their U.S. citizenship. When asked if they think college is responsible for shaping their worldview, many agreed. Shameful and disgraceful. I know Republican President Trump of the USA, and most Republicans strongly agree with me. We have discussed these issues, at the right wing Political Forum sites I Post on. The right wing news sites I Post on, the Trump campaign rallies and at the Trump campaign meetings. As well on NS and Discord.

Video Link Provided:
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/07/ ... g-america/

Why is it even important for people to be proud of the United States of America
Freedom of Speech, man. Freedom of conscience, I'm sure you are aware those are protected by the USA Constitution and in all democratic country.
Also the protestor don't want to abolish police, they don,t want a racist and racist did not disappear because you elected a black president, that's just refusing to see the reality because it does not please your views. And History should not be rewritten to glorify a nation.
you can't be against someone who kneel on the national anthem, refuse to sing it or even burn the American flag, and say you are defending freedom of speech or freedom of conscience, even the SCOTUS has recognized this right : in Texas v. Johnson.

And finally, because you asked. I do not support Cuba, mainly because of my nationalism. But this is a topic about American politics, and from that point of view, I'll simply say that I oppose the embargo on Cuba, its prevent the nation from developing itself, and developing its economy. it make people unfairly suffer in the name of (freedom)

While I am at it. I'm going to add you should stop consulting only conservative news, because not only those (news are biased) but also not news are all propaganda, multiple are based on facts, and what should interested you first, should be those facts.

It's a well known thing people keep saying, some people like to pretend if you say something a lot it's also a fact.

Dude, I strongly agree with you, it works both ways, if you guys keep saying something is a fact, it becomes a fact to you guys, it works both ways, not just one way, in Politics everything works both ways. The Republicans are not Political Saints? The Democrats are not Political Saints? I Rest My Case? I Rest our Case?

a fact is not to someone, its a fact to everyone. Canada is located in North America, you can be democrat, socialist, communist, libertarian, republican or what ever, but Canada will always be located in North America. A fact is true to Everyone, not just to democrats, or republicans.

[Sincluda]

I think it is very well know fact, most Professors are leftists.

Definitely not.

And if they are, they probably wouldn't be pushing their ideology on their students or they'd be out of a job.

[Bombadil]

To be fair, many people outside the USA do think the whole "pledging allegiance to the flag daily" thing is a bit... odd... in a brainwashy cultist way.
Also, since there is a correlation between atheism and higher education, I can imagine some very patriotic students still objecting to saying "under god" and preferring the old e pluribus unum.

But those are assumptions.

Yeh, I can concede that European members of a Discord server I'm in do think the Pledge is off. As for the "Under God" part, I'll say it despite being an atheist (I don't like it, but I'll put up with it to avoid the arguments), but "E Pluribus Unum" does come off as a good way to still be patriotic and avoid the religious connotations (plus the 13 letters make it symbolic).

It's not just the pledge, it's all the flags flying around, that you have military displays at sports events, that the national anthem is sung for near any occasion.. the extent of US nationalism is surprising all round to many people that don't live under a military dictatorship.

[The United Confederacy of Texas]

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The students interviewed on the videos are stating, the Professors at the colleges influence their views? The video links speak for them not for right wing Breitbart and right wing Campus reform? I think it is a very well know fact, most Professors are leftists. Leftist news sites like, MSNBC, the Progressive, the Guardian and other such news sites, are biased in favor of the left? I for one don't put them down for it. I for one don't call them garbage and rags? As a certain leftists on NS say about Breitbart and other right news sites? I just strongly disagree with them? A certain leftist person had the nerve to decide for me which news sites, I should post from, link from and comment from? What a coincidence they all strongly agree with the leftist persons political views? They all strongly disagree with my right wing views, what a coincidence? As I say on my sig, we all have a democratic right to our different views? I cant force you or any persons to read my sig?

Could you trim down the fluff, we're already aware you like your sources because they speak for your views and find it inappropriate for discussions as it shows you prefer what you like, rather than the facts themselves, and we all made it clear that left-wing biased sites aren't preferred either because it shows bias in the discussion. The people that told you what sources were basically asking if you could try and use other sources to help with your argument, hell, I'd recommend the Associated Press and Politico as they're largely non-biased (the AP more so than Politico).

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It's not just the pledge, it's all the flags flying around, that you have military displays at sports events, that the national anthem is sung for near any occasion.. the extent of US nationalism is surprising all round to many people that don't live under a military dictatorship.

Yeah, I'm not surprised, there's an uncanny resemblance to the emphasis of nationalism in authoritarian societies.

[Jeriga]

Since it's still a few minutes 'till midnight, happy 4th to everyone


One, that's Breitbart, so it's already showing a form of bias. Second, I checked the channel that posted that video, Campus Reform, and they're a conservative news site that follows conservative talking points and used charged language on occasion to fit their viewpoints, so it's also biased. Don't get me wrong, there are folks on college campuses likely to be critical to the United States, but claiming that the professors are influencing their views to become anti-American seems a bit ridiculous. Also, I doubt a majority of Americans are actually protesting against the Pledge, anthem, and flag, and even then, they have the right to do so, as you say.

The students interviewed on the videos are stating, the Professors at the colleges influence their views? The video links speak for them not for right wing Breitbart and right wing Campus reform? I think it is a very well know fact, most Professors are leftists. Leftist news sites like, MSNBC, the Progressive, the Guardian and other such news sites, are biased in favor of the left? I for one don't put them down for it. I for one don't call them garbage and rags? As certain leftists on NS say about Breitbart and other right news sites? I just strongly disagree with them? A certain leftist person had the nerve to decide for me which news sites, I should post from, link from and comment from? What a coincidence they all strongly agree with the leftist persons political views? They all strongly disagree with my right wing political views, what a coincidence? As I say on my sig, we all have a democratic right to our different views? I cant force you or any persons to read my sig?

None I ever had was

[Greater Miami Shores]

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The students interviewed on the videos are stating, the Professors at the colleges influence their views? The video links speak for them not for right wing Breitbart and right wing Campus reform? I think it is a very well know fact, most Professors are leftists. Leftist news sites like, MSNBC, the Progressive, the Guardian and other such news sites, are biased in favor of the left? I for one don't put them down for it. I for one don't call them garbage and rags? As a certain leftists on NS say about Breitbart and other right news sites? I just strongly disagree with them? A certain leftist person had the nerve to decide for me which news sites, I should post from, link from and comment from? What a coincidence they all strongly agree with the leftist persons political views? They all strongly disagree with my right wing views, what a coincidence? As I say on my sig, we all have a democratic right to our different views? I cant force you or any persons to read my sig?

Could you trim down the fluff, we're already aware you like your sources because they speak for your views and find it inappropriate for discussions as it shows you prefer what you like, rather than the facts themselves, and we all made it clear that left-wing biased sites aren't preferred either because it shows bias in the discussion. The people that told you what sources were basically asking if you could try and use other sources to help with your argument, hell, I'd recommend the Associated Press and Politico as they're largely non-biased (the AP more so than Politico).

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It's not just the pledge, it's all the flags flying around, that you have military displays at sports events, that the national anthem is sung for near any occasion.. the extent of US nationalism is surprising all round to many people that don't live under a military dictatorship.

Yeah, I'm not surprised, there's an uncanny resemblance to the emphasis of nationalism in authoritarian societies.

So you strongly disagree the video links of the students speak for the students not for right wing Breitbart and right wing Campus reform? We consider the so called mainstream media, part of the leftist media. Just like you guys like your sources who agree with your political views? lol, I have been told by certain leftists on NS, I am entitled to my own opinions, but not to my own facts. This applies to all of us right wingers? This one is a classic and my personal favorite. Another good one, My world views are designed to to agree with my world views. But their worldviews just happen to agree with the facts, lol what a coincidence? I am always wrong and we are always wrong on all issues based on my opinions and our opinions, and they are always right on all issues based on objective facts and the scientific method process, what a coincidence?

[The United Confederacy of Texas]

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So you strongly disagree the video links of the students speak for the students not for right wing Breitbart and right wing Campus reform? We consider the so called mainstream media, part of the leftist media. Just like you guys like your sources who agree with your political views? lol, I have been told by certain leftists on NS, I am entitled to my own opinions, but not to my own facts. This applies to all of us right wingers? This one is a classic and my personal favorite. Another good one, My world views are designed to to agree with my world views. But their word views just happen to agree with the facts, lol what a coincidence? I am always wrong and we are always wrong on all issues based on my opinions and our opinions, and they are always right on all issues based on objective facts and the scientific method process, what a coincidence?

You already quoted me, you didn't have to quote again (I assume this was an accident). Yes, I disagree with the links because it's clearly biased and you specifically chose them because of it and trying to turn it on us doesn't work as well: most of us here actually choose sources that are as non-biased and factual as possible (and no, not your usual "our facts and your facts" stuff, actual facts), even if they are against our political views. Your argument doesn't work since you're basically using "alternative facts" for your narrative, it doesn't work that way.

[Greater Miami Shores]

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So you strongly disagree the video links of the students speak for the students not for right wing Breitbart and right wing Campus reform? We consider the so called mainstream media, part of the leftist media. Just like you guys like your sources who agree with your political views? lol, I have been told by certain leftists on NS, I am entitled to my own opinions, but not to my own facts. This applies to all of us right wingers? This one is a classic and my personal favorite. Another good one, My world views are designed to to agree with my world views. But their word views just happen to agree with the facts, lol what a coincidence? I am always wrong and we are always wrong on all issues based on my opinions and our opinions, and they are always right on all issues based on objective facts and the scientific method process, what a coincidence?

You already quoted me, you didn't have to quote again (I assume this was an accident). Yes, I disagree with the links because it's clearly biased and you specifically chose them because of it and trying to turn it on us doesn't work as well: most of us here actually choose sources that are as non-biased and factual as possible (and no, not your usual "our facts and your facts" stuff, actual facts), even if they are against our political views. Your argument doesn't work since you're basically using "alternative facts" for your narrative, it doesn't work that way.

ok dude, my last back and forth on this. The students stated views are their views. Not right wing Breitbart, not right wing News Campus. You guys post from news sites that agree with your views. I and us post from news sites that agrees with our views. This is the way it works, for me, you and all of us. Peace over and out my Friend.

[Fauzjhia]

So you strongly disagree the video links of the students speak for the students not for right wing Breitbart and right wing Campus reform? We consider the so called mainstream media, part of the leftist media. Just like you guys like your sources who agree with your political views? lol, I have been told by certain leftists on NS, I am entitled to my own opinions, but not to my own facts. This applies to all of us right wingers? This one is a classic and my personal favorite. Another good one, My world views are designed to to agree with my world views. But their worldviews just happen to agree with the facts, lol what a coincidence? I am always wrong and we are always wrong on all issues based on my opinions and our opinions, and they are always right on all issues based on objective facts and the scientific method process, what a coincidence?

Just when we say it does not have to be RIght-wing or left-wing, that there can be non-biased, you come back and say everything is biased.
I suppose politico and the associated press are part of the left-wing media too ?

and what I said. is that facts belong to no one, they are true to everyone. a fact is something near everyone will recognize as truth.

[The United Confederacy of Texas]

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ok dude, my last back and forth on this. The students stated views are their views. Not right wing Breitbart, not right wing News Campus. You guys post from news sites that agree with your views. I and us post from news sites that agrees with our views. This is the way it works, for me, you and all of us. Peace over and out my Friend.

Okay, and they're more than likely the minority of the country's college population, not representative of all college students. Just because you like your news does not mean that it works, it makes no sense. Also, over and out is a conflicting term.

[Tarsonis]

once again, for the thousandth time, i wonder why you people even bother

[The United Confederacy of Texas]

once again, for the thousandth time, i wonder why you people even bother

boredom

[Jeriga]

once again, for the thousandth time, i wonder why you people even bother

once again, for the thousandth time, i wonder why you people even bother

boredom

^^^^^^^^