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American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

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Is it no longer possible to collaborate with political opponents at this stage?

It is no longer possible.
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It is possible.
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25%
Collaboration is possible if we have similar economic views.
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7%
Collaboration is possible if we have similar cultural/social views.
106
16%
Why would I collaborate with anyone? Going monke is the best way forward.
102
16%
 
Total votes : 653

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Postby Narland » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:20 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Narland wrote:The problem is that is an oversimplification. Were there white supremacists in power, absolutely. Did that represent most Confederates? Probably not, else the Civilized Tribes of Amerind, and a majority of Hispanics and Latinos would not have fought on the side of the Rebels against the Union.


Not necessarily true, the "Civilised Tribes" actually had quite a few slave owners amongst them. Among the Cherokee alone, there were 3,200 slaves at the time of removal that went with them to Oklahoma, and the number just grew from there.

I suspect the answer is somewhere in between the rubrics of slavery, Northern Aggression, Oppressive, Taxation, White Supremacy, Abolition & Brotherhood of All Man, and the 2nd Great Awakening. I have a hard time sympathizing with the South since the sides of my family that were here in the States at the time were nearly all radical republican abolitionists, revivalists, or tribes unaffected at the time by the Civil War. The Union was politically incorrect but morally right in its overall stance, and the Secessionists were politically correct, but morally wrong in theirs. Most people like simple solutions, and the Civil War was anything but.

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Postby Shrillland » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:20 pm

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Postby Narland » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:21 pm

Picairn wrote:
Narland wrote:Northern Aggression

Why are you repeating the lies of the Confederacy?

Why do you assume that the North wasn't aggressive?

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Postby Merrill » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:21 pm

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That just means that the prisoners submitted. I promise, if you continue to resist, the government WILL kill you. Even George Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion. Or, sometimes if you know too much. Epstein didn’t kill himself…

Apparently then, the vast majority of criminals don’t sufficiently resist, and your statement (that death is the punishment for any disobedience) is rather false - unless you propose the government is successfully hiding somewhere between hundreds of thousands to millions of crime-related deaths annually.


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Postby The Temple of the Computer » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:22 pm

Narland wrote:
Picairn wrote:Why are you repeating the lies of the Confederacy?

Why do you assume that the North wasn't aggressive?

Why are you assuming that the South did not strike first? (which they did strike first.)
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Postby Comerciante » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:23 pm

It's the war of northern aggression if we all just ignore everything the south did.

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Postby Picairn » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:24 pm

Narland wrote:Why do you assume that the North wasn't aggressive?

Why do you assume the South didn't attack federal forts and armories first?
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:25 pm

Narland wrote:
Picairn wrote:Why are you repeating the lies of the Confederacy?

Why do you assume that the North wasn't aggressive?

Because aggressive states don’t have their forts fired upon in the first shots of a war
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:27 pm

Reading comprehension, learn it. I stated that death is the ultimate punishment for CONTINUED resistance. If the State has decided to take your property, or liberty, the jackboots carrying out the decision don’t change their minds, or stop following orders when you disagree.


What’s our definition of “continued resistance” here then, considering the combined deaths from police & death penalty actions are pretty minuscule number compared to the crime rate? And by extension, how high is your definition, seeing as then the vast majority of criminals don’t trigger their own death by government?
All the concerns about police brutality, use of force, unjustified shootings, etc? Those are features, not bugs. The primary issue with police isn’t racism, it’s authoritarianism. Bad police are bullies, and the so called good police enable the bad ones. It won’t change until a cop that pulls his gun without true imminent danger us immediately drawn down on by every other cop present. Police aren’t even currently held to the use of force standard that citizens are. They should be held to higher standards, since they have so much power.

I don’t disagree, but what does this have to do with your assertions about disobedience to the government inexorably leading to death?
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Postby The United Confederacy of Texas » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:55 pm

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