American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

[Lady Victory]

Ah. So what year are you in school? I have seen these arguments before….

I am in my senior year of high school, why ask?

Because most adults who are well-versed in politics don't make these arguments, and the few that do are made fun of.

There's a reason for this.

[Kowani]

Anne Milgram confirmed by Senate as administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration by unanimous consent

[Kowani]

Yes so is corporate profit, which steals far more of your labor than the government taxes does.

The difference between the two is that buying from corporations is voluntary, while paying your taxes is mandatory. If you don't like the corporate product, stop paying for it. If you don't like the government product, tough luck, you're paying anyway.

are you fucking kidding me
why are all these arguments so bad
did the libertarian propaganda pipeline never move on

[Necroghastia]

Ah. So what year are you in school? I have seen these arguments before….

I am in my senior year of high school, why ask?

Is it a public school? Is it accessible from a road?

[Genivaria]

Yes so is corporate profit, which steals far more of your labor than the government taxes does.

The difference between the two is that buying from corporations is voluntary, while paying your taxes is mandatory. If you don't like the corporate product, stop paying for it. If you don't like the government product, tough luck, you're paying anyway.

Never said anything about 'buying from corporations' I said that they steal your labor, you will understand this when you get a job and find out how little of the value of your labor you retain.
And as far as your claim about buying from corporations being 'voluntary' that's a complete lie.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism when industries are dominated by just a handful of companies.
I direct you to how many brands are under the ownership of highly shady Nestle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N ... %A9_brands

[Grinning Dragon]

The difference between the two is that buying from corporations is voluntary, while paying your taxes is mandatory. If you don't like the corporate product, stop paying for it. If you don't like the government product, tough luck, you're paying anyway.

So where do you get your food from?

From a plate.

[Lady Victory]

The difference between the two is that buying from corporations is voluntary, while paying your taxes is mandatory. If you don't like the corporate product, stop paying for it. If you don't like the government product, tough luck, you're paying anyway.

Never said anything about 'buying from corporations' I said that they steal your labor, you will understand this when you get a job and find out how little of the value of your labor you retain.
And as far as your claim about buying from corporations being 'voluntary' that's a complete lie.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism when industries are dominated by just a handful of companies.
I direct you to how many brands are under the ownership of highly shady Nestle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N ... %A9_brands

Holy mother of God.

Nestle delenda est.

[Duvniask]

So where do you get your food from?

From a plate.

As we all know, food spontaneously pops into existence on the plate.

[The Black Forrest]

Ah. So what year are you in school? I have seen these arguments before….

I am in my senior year of high school, why ask?

Usually when I read what you have posted; it’s a student who learned a new area.

Not a judgement; just curiosity.

Nobody likes taxes. However, they are needed when you are going to have a nationstate. Trickle down (if you are suggesting this) is lie. The more you give the wealthy class, the more they keep. Trump gave an obscene amount of money to the business world; most of it went to stock buyback.

The Patriot act is indeed overly intrusive. Mind you I was once the man (DoD).

The free market started out as a concept argument many years ago. I forget the details. Some of our more economic theory minded types can give a better response.

The only way a complete free market can happen is if the whole thing burns and everybody starts out with the same money. The problem? People being the way they are; it will return to what we have. Competition only works for bands. Coke vs pepsi. Even then they formed a biopoly. Much as people will tell you competition will keep people from doing anything hanky. Not enough to embrace giving corporations a free hand.

Self correcting is basically a “circle jerk” argument. When the exxon validez had it’s spill. People didn’t rebel. They justified buying their gas because the prices were so low.

As to who is more evil? Government is only part of the problem. Corporations have the money. Government didn’t make them buy favors. They did it because in general; they suck.

[Lady Victory]

I am in my senior year of high school, why ask?

Usually when I read what you have posted; it’s a student who learned a new area.

Not a judgement; just curiosity.

Nobody likes taxes. However, they are needed when you are going to have a nationstate. Trickle down (if you are suggesting this) is lie. The more you give the wealthy class, the more they keep. Trump gave an obscene amount of money to the business world; most of it went to stock buyback.

The Patriot act is indeed overly intrusive. Mind you I was once the man (DoD).

The free market started out as a concept argument many years ago. I forget the details. Some of our more economic theory minded types can give a better response.

The only way a complete free market can happen is if the whole thing burns and everybody starts out with the same money. The problem? People being the way they are; it will return to what we have. Competition only works for bands. Coke vs pepsi. Even then they formed a biopoly. Much as people will tell you competition will keep people from doing anything hanky. Not enough to embrace giving corporations a free hand.

Self correcting is basically a “circle jerk” argument. When the exxon validez had it’s spill. People didn’t rebel. They justified buying their gas because the prices were so low.

As to who is more evil? Government is only part of the problem. Corporations have the money. Government didn’t make them buy favors. They did it because in general; they suck.

Libertarianism is a rich man's ideology. The only people who truly benefit in the ideal AnCap society are the rich and powerful. This is by design, and it's why their talking points are meant to appeal to gullible working-class people who think it's an ideology bent on "freedom"; because if they outright admitted that only the rich would have it easy then they'd never get enough support for it.

Hell in many ways we're already living in a libertarian society. The current state of America is about as close as we can get to libertarianism before corporations start hiring mercenary armies to take out their rivals while the government is powerless to watch. Corporate gang wars are just a breath away, tbh.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Yes so is corporate profit, which steals far more of your labor than the government taxes does.

The difference between the two is that buying from corporations is voluntary, while paying your taxes is mandatory. If you don't like the corporate product, stop paying for it. If you don't like the government product, tough luck, you're paying anyway.

Buying from corporations is voluntary in the sense that handing over valuables with a gun to your head is. It's impossible to survive without paying for things.

[Fauzjhia]

The difference between the two is that buying from corporations is voluntary, while paying your taxes is mandatory. If you don't like the corporate product, stop paying for it. If you don't like the government product, tough luck, you're paying anyway.

Buying from corporations is voluntary in the sense that handing over valuables with a gun to your head is. It's impossible to survive without paying for things.

Working for corporation is as voluntary, in the sense, you probably need to work if you want to be able to eat, you'll need money, and money does not grow in a tree. One who refused to work, will find it hard...

[Genivaria]

Buying from corporations is voluntary in the sense that handing over valuables with a gun to your head is. It's impossible to survive without paying for things.

Working for corporation is as voluntary, in the sense, you probably need to work if you want to be able to eat, you'll need money, and money does not grow in a tree

Or we could just give people the food and shelter they need since we already produce enough food to feed several times our population.

Working for corporation is as voluntary, in the sense, you probably need to work if you want to be able to eat

So then you agree that it is no more voluntary than give your wallet to a mugger is voluntary.
Your choices are comply or die.

[Fauzjhia]

Working for corporation is as voluntary, in the sense, you probably need to work if you want to be able to eat, you'll need money, and money does not grow in a tree

Or we could just give people the food and shelter they need since we already produce enough food to feed several times our population.

if only it could be as simple as this. if only. But reality is that we waste so many ressources...

Working for corporation is as voluntary, in the sense, you probably need to work if you want to be able to eat

So then you agree that it is no more voluntary than give your wallet to a mugger is voluntary.
Your choices are comply or die.[/quote]

Ho you can not work for someone, hell if you want, don't work at all. but you'll need someone to feed back, someone to pay you, or you'll have to steal form others.

[Salus Maior]

Or we could just give people the food and shelter they need since we already produce enough food to feed several times our population.

if only it could be as simple as this. if only. But reality is that we waste so many ressources...

So, lets be less wasteful.

[Genivaria]

Or we could just give people the food and shelter they need since we already produce enough food to feed several times our population.

if only it could be as simple as this. if only. But reality is that we waste so many ressources...

It is as simple as that, putting the arbitrary requirement for money in the way only serves to make the problem harder than it needs to be.

[Genivaria]

Or we could just give people the food and shelter they need since we already produce enough food to feed several times our population.

if only it could be as simple as this. if only. But reality is that we waste so many ressources...

Working for corporation is as voluntary, in the sense, you probably need to work if you want to be able to eat

So then you agree that it is no more voluntary than give your wallet to a mugger is voluntary.
Your choices are comply or die.

Ho you can not work for someone, hell if you want, don't work at all. but you'll need someone to feed back, someone to pay you, or you'll have to steal form others.[/quote]
You continue to agree with me.

[Genivaria]

Fox News Host Laura Ingraham wants to defund the military.
https://theweek.com/fox-news/1001901/ou ... n-over-gen

[Kowani]

Maine Gov. Janet Mills (D) has decided to be a reactionary

The governor has vetoed seven bills from this legislative session, including several that were priorities for progressive Democrats in the Legislature. Those among the first seven in 2021 blocked by Gov. Janet Mills include bills to close the Long Creek Youth Development Center, implement a graduated real estate transfer tax and block companies with foreign government ownership from spending to influence ballot questions.

Many more vetoes are expected and they come as a blow to several lawmakers and activist groups, which may struggle to find the votes to overturn the governor’s vetoes in most cases, and reflect the divide between Mills and legislative Democrats on a range of issues.

Some of the vetoes are relatively unsurprising. The Mills administration had testified in opposition to the bill to close Long Creek earlier this year. In a veto message to lawmakers, the Democratic governor characterized the bill as “fundamentally flawed,” saying the state did not yet have a viable alternative to house children who needed to be detained.

But the governor had not weighed in on every bill this session. The foreign spending bill, which came in response to massive spending by the Canadian energy company Hydro-Quebec with respect to potential referendums on the Central Maine Power corridor, passed easily through both chambers of the Legislature with most Democrats and a handful of Republicans in support.

Business groups had argued that the bill was overly broad and would block spending by American companies, too. Mills appeared to reflect that sentiment in a letter to the Legislature, saying the bill would “reach dozens of businesses that we regard as very much part of the fabric of the Maine community.” Achieving a two-thirds majority to overcome the governor’s veto could be tough in the House, where 55 members voted against the bill’s enactment.

Other bills vetoed by the governor include bills that would have barred police officers from pretextual traffic stops, implemented several changes to the state’s criminal code, created a diversion program for adults under the age of 25 and added members to the University of Maine System’s board of trustees.

[Comerciante]

Hell in many ways we're already living in a libertarian society. The current state of America is about as close as we can get to libertarianism before corporations start hiring mercenary armies to take out their rivals while the government is powerless to watch. Corporate gang wars are just a breath away, tbh.

I personally welcome our new corporate overlords. I may starve to death but at least we get to all see Tekken 9 in real time!

[Genivaria]

Hell in many ways we're already living in a libertarian society. The current state of America is about as close as we can get to libertarianism before corporations start hiring mercenary armies to take out their rivals while the government is powerless to watch. Corporate gang wars are just a breath away, tbh.

I personally welcome our new corporate overlords. I may starve to death but at least we get to all see Tekken 9 in real time!

Half-Life 3 confirmed only $99.99 to preorder now.

[Zurkerx]

Fox News Host Laura Ingraham wants to defund the military.
https://theweek.com/fox-news/1001901/ou ... n-over-gen

"Far-left Marxist racist ideology"

Jesus Christ. These people are making word salads again. And worst-

"We are sending our tax dollars to this military in an attempt to week out so-called 'extremists,'" Ingraham said, saying these "extremists" are just "conservative evangelicals" and not, as the Pentagon contends, white nationalist militants.

Clearly her mindset is somewhere else too...

[Shrillland]

Another addition to the Plaza today.

New Jersey: Another amendment being considered would allow people to bet on postseason college sports held in New Jersey and on New Jersey-based teams.

[Lady Victory]

Fox News Host Laura Ingraham wants to defund the military.
https://theweek.com/fox-news/1001901/ou ... n-over-gen

Laura Ingraham, the Nazi? The Nazi, Laura Ingrahama? The Nazi known as 'Laura Ingraham'? That Laura Ingraham? The one that's a Nazi?

I don't give a fuck what the Nazi, Laura Ingraham, thinks.

[Kowani]

the Trump Train derails

According to The Texas Tribune, members of the “Trump Train” and law enforcement in Texas have been sued over the October 2020 incident in which Trump supporters harassed a Biden campaign bus and nearly ran it off the road.

Former state Sen. Wendy Davis and others who were traveling on a campaign bus for President Joe Biden last fall when it was surrounded and followed by former President Donald Trump’s supporters on a Texas highway have filed multiple lawsuits over the events that transpired that day. The suits target people who were allegedly following and harassing the bus, as well as local law enforcement for not helping after assistance was requested, according to those on the bus.

The lawsuit filed in federal court Thursday against at least seven members of the so-called “Trump Train,” who followed the bus, claims the group violated the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 and Texas law by organizing a “politically-motivated conspiracy to disrupt the campaign and intimidate its supporters.”

The Klan Act prevents groups from joining together to obstruct free and fair federal elections by intimidating and injuring voters, or denying them the ability to engage in political speech.

The second lawsuit was filed against law enforcement who “turned a blind eye to the attack — despite pleas for help — and failed to provide the bus a police escort,” according to Protect Democracy, the group of lawyers representing the plaintiffs. The second lawsuit was filed against Chase Stapp, the head of San Marcos’ director of public safety, and the San Marcos City Marshal’s Department.