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Is it no longer possible to collaborate with political opponents at this stage?

It is no longer possible.
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It is possible.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar economic views.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar cultural/social views.
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Why would I collaborate with anyone? Going monke is the best way forward.
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:08 pm

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Myrensis wrote:
Nah, they just plan to strip funding from any school that is engaging in too much wrongthink, aka not using Fox News as their primary source for all curriculum.


With any luck, students will organize to mess up their results so Tallahassee is left with a useless report that says 95% of all university students support ISIS.


That would be interesting.

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Postby Esthe » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:10 pm

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Myrensis wrote:
Nah, they just plan to strip funding from any school that is engaging in too much wrongthink, aka not using Fox News as their primary source for all curriculum.


With any luck, students will organize to mess up their results so Tallahassee is left with a useless report that says 95% of all university students support ISIS.

It sounds like something they would do.
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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:16 pm

Dillemba wrote:
The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
I’m curious who you mean when you speak of ‘elite leftists’ and their purported payroll depredations.

Every corporate elite that is voting for the Democrats does not genuinely support reform and instead fuels ethnic conflicts and supports the donor class.


And who are they?
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Postby Lady Victory » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:16 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:because libertarians endorse things like selling heroin to children and the repeal of the civil rights act lmao


Tbf that is exceptionally based, you have to respect it even if it's nuts.


No, I really don't.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:16 pm

Dillemba wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
If you eliminate the government, how do you punish corporations?

I don't call for government elimination, I call for government weakness in the form of lessening taxation and repealing laws that are oppressive in nature and serve to benefit corporations. If the government has less money, that means corporations will lose a major form of help in government bailouts. If we lessen taxation for poor and middle class, this means they gain more money instead of the wealthy class.


Weakening it to the point of being a nuisance is basically elimination.

Lessoning taxes? They are at an all time low and you want them reduced further?

What oppressive laws?

So your argument is weaked government means the corporations are going to make less money? Seriously? Wait are you one those completely free market types.

Do you seriously think all the crap companies have done through the years is because the government made them do it?
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Postby Lady Victory » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:19 pm

Dillemba wrote:
The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
I’m curious who you mean when you speak of ‘elite leftists’ and their purported payroll depredations.

Every corporate elite that is voting for the Democrats does not genuinely support reform and instead fuels ethnic conflicts and supports the donor class.


Baffling how people still think it's the Dems that are in the pocket of Corporate America even after the GOP elected a literal millionaire businessman.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:24 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Dillemba wrote:Every corporate elite that is voting for the Democrats does not genuinely support reform and instead fuels ethnic conflicts and supports the donor class.


Baffling how people still think it's the Dems that are in the pocket of Corporate America even after the GOP elected a literal millionaire businessman.

Billionaire. He really is worth a billion dollars, believe me. It's tremendous.

/s

In all seriousness, they're both corporate puppets. Democrats aren't as bad on that front and are better on things like healthcare, so it is ridiculous for him to pretend that they're the evil ones with the GOP being worse and pretty much losing it, but both aren't winning any awards from me.
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Postby Dillemba » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:26 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Dillemba wrote:Every corporate elite that is voting for the Democrats does not genuinely support reform and instead fuels ethnic conflicts and supports the donor class.


Baffling how people still think it's the Dems that are in the pocket of Corporate America even after the GOP elected a literal millionaire businessman.

Republicans. Democrats. They're all the same.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:26 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/tr ... 72215.html

As former President Trump starts his "revenge tour" of rallies against challengers to House members who voted to impeach him, some Republicans are worried that he'll do to the House what he did to Georgia Senate candidates.

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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-rally-ohio-florida-republicans-b1872215.html

As former President Trump starts his "revenge tour" of rallies against challengers to House members who voted to impeach him, some Republicans are worried that he'll do to the House what he did to Georgia Senate candidates.

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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:29 pm

Dillemba wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Baffling how people still think it's the Dems that are in the pocket of Corporate America even after the GOP elected a literal millionaire businessman.

Republicans. Democrats. They're all the same.


Mhm… how very ‘both sides’ of you.

Got an answer to my previous query, yet?
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Postby Lady Victory » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:31 pm

Dillemba wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Baffling how people still think it's the Dems that are in the pocket of Corporate America even after the GOP elected a literal millionaire businessman.

Republicans. Democrats. They're all the same.


Not really.

Democrats give you a wedgie in front of your crush while Republicans stab you in the gut and steal your wallet.
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Postby Duvniask » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:31 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Dillemba wrote:Every corporate elite that is voting for the Democrats does not genuinely support reform and instead fuels ethnic conflicts and supports the donor class.


Baffling how people still think it's the Dems that are in the pocket of Corporate America even after the GOP elected a literal millionaire businessman.

Both US parties receive loads of donations from Corporate America. Heck, companies sometimes donate to both parties simultaneously.
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Postby Dillemba » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:33 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Dillemba wrote:I don't call for government elimination, I call for government weakness in the form of lessening taxation and repealing laws that are oppressive in nature and serve to benefit corporations. If the government has less money, that means corporations will lose a major form of help in government bailouts. If we lessen taxation for poor and middle class, this means they gain more money instead of the wealthy class.


Weakening it to the point of being a nuisance is basically elimination.

Lessoning taxes? They are at an all time low and you want them reduced further?

What oppressive laws?

So you argument is weaked government means the corporations are going to make less money? Seriously? Wait are you one those completely free market types.

Do you seriously think all the crap companies have done through the years is because the government made them do it?

Taxation is legalized theft, and should be minimized as much as possible. Oppressive laws are PATRIOT Act etc and I had intended to separate the sentence to differentiate oppressive laws and laws that only benefit corporations (such as Interstate Income Act of 1959). I am an advocate for a very free market, as a free market will enable innovation and employment, and allow every American citizens to exercise their full creativity. And no, I believe all the craps governments do is because corporations make them do it. Without the government helping them with bailouts and taxation laws that allow them to pay less than the average civilian, corporations will be far more careful, because there will soon be more competition.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:36 pm

https://www.syracuse.com/state/2021/06/ ... -what.html

Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown says hes considering a write in campaign after losing the Democratic primary.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:37 pm

The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
Dillemba wrote:Republicans. Democrats. They're all the same.


Mhm… how very ‘both sides’ of you.

Got an answer to my previous query, yet?

Well they are both part of the same Capitalist's Party but one is more socially liberal than the other, that's all.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:38 pm

Dillemba wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Baffling how people still think it's the Dems that are in the pocket of Corporate America even after the GOP elected a literal millionaire businessman.

Republicans. Democrats. They're all the same.


Meh. More of one is just a watered down version of the other.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:39 pm

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North Washington Republic wrote:
But it is. Right-wing populism is populism because it’s the idea that average everyday people are under attack by a group of elites. The “elites” are just a different group of people when compared to left-wing populism.


Everyday people are under attack by elites. This is an objectively true fact.


Populists do view this as a “objectively true fact”. My point is that right-wing populists are still populists because they argue that everyday people are under attack by elites. Just because they have a different view on who the elites are does not mean they’re not populists.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:40 pm

Dillemba wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Weakening it to the point of being a nuisance is basically elimination.

Lessoning taxes? They are at an all time low and you want them reduced further?

What oppressive laws?

So you argument is weaked government means the corporations are going to make less money? Seriously? Wait are you one those completely free market types.

Do you seriously think all the crap companies have done through the years is because the government made them do it?

Taxation is legalized theft, and should be minimized as much as possible. Oppressive laws are PATRIOT Act etc and I had intended to separate the sentence to differentiate oppressive laws and laws that only benefit corporations (such as Interstate Income Act of 1959). I am an advocate for a very free market, as a free market will enable innovation and employment, and allow every American citizens to exercise their full creativity. And no, I believe all the craps governments do is because corporations make them do it. Without the government helping them with bailouts and taxation laws that allow them to pay less than the average civilian, corporations will be far more careful, because there will soon be more competition.


Ah. So what year are you in school? I have seen these arguments before….
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:40 pm

Dillemba wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Weakening it to the point of being a nuisance is basically elimination.

Lessoning taxes? They are at an all time low and you want them reduced further?

What oppressive laws?

So you argument is weaked government means the corporations are going to make less money? Seriously? Wait are you one those completely free market types.

Do you seriously think all the crap companies have done through the years is because the government made them do it?

Taxation is legalized theft, and should be minimized as much as possible. Oppressive laws are PATRIOT Act etc and I had intended to separate the sentence to differentiate oppressive laws and laws that only benefit corporations (such as Interstate Income Act of 1959). I am an advocate for a very free market, as a free market will enable innovation and employment, and allow every American citizens to exercise their full creativity. And no, I believe all the craps governments do is because corporations make them do it. Without the government helping them with bailouts and taxation laws that allow them to pay less than the average civilian, corporations will be far more careful, because there will soon be more competition.

Taxation is legalized theft

Yes so is corporate profit, which steals far more of your labor than the government taxes does.

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Postby Dillemba » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:43 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Dillemba wrote:Taxation is legalized theft, and should be minimized as much as possible. Oppressive laws are PATRIOT Act etc and I had intended to separate the sentence to differentiate oppressive laws and laws that only benefit corporations (such as Interstate Income Act of 1959). I am an advocate for a very free market, as a free market will enable innovation and employment, and allow every American citizens to exercise their full creativity. And no, I believe all the craps governments do is because corporations make them do it. Without the government helping them with bailouts and taxation laws that allow them to pay less than the average civilian, corporations will be far more careful, because there will soon be more competition.


Ah. So what year are you in school? I have seen these arguments before….

I am in my senior year of high school, why ask?

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Postby Duvniask » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:44 pm

Dillemba wrote:Taxation is legalized theft (...)

NSG's anarcho-capitalist phase ended like 6-7 years ago. You're way behind.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:45 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Dillemba wrote:Taxation is legalized theft (...)

NSG's anarcho-capitalist phase ended like 6-7 years ago. You're way behind.


I remember when I was an ancap. I think a lot of people go through a libertarian/ancap phase. Too bad that a lot of them turned into literally nazis.
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Postby Dillemba » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:46 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Dillemba wrote:Taxation is legalized theft, and should be minimized as much as possible. Oppressive laws are PATRIOT Act etc and I had intended to separate the sentence to differentiate oppressive laws and laws that only benefit corporations (such as Interstate Income Act of 1959). I am an advocate for a very free market, as a free market will enable innovation and employment, and allow every American citizens to exercise their full creativity. And no, I believe all the craps governments do is because corporations make them do it. Without the government helping them with bailouts and taxation laws that allow them to pay less than the average civilian, corporations will be far more careful, because there will soon be more competition.

Taxation is legalized theft

Yes so is corporate profit, which steals far more of your labor than the government taxes does.

The difference between the two is that buying from corporations is voluntary, while paying your taxes is mandatory. If you don't like the corporate product, stop paying for it. If you don't like the government product, tough luck, you're paying anyway.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:47 pm

Dillemba wrote:
Genivaria wrote:
Yes so is corporate profit, which steals far more of your labor than the government taxes does.

The difference between the two is that buying from corporations is voluntary, while paying your taxes is mandatory. If you don't like the corporate product, stop paying for it. If you don't like the government product, tough luck, you're paying anyway.


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