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Is it no longer possible to collaborate with political opponents at this stage?

It is no longer possible.
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It is possible.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar economic views.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar cultural/social views.
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Why would I collaborate with anyone? Going monke is the best way forward.
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Postby Merrill » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:48 pm

Galloism wrote:
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Every time I think i've seen and heard it all it gets topped by something new.

I saw this meme today and felt it on the inside.


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Postby Myrensis » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:49 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Corrian wrote:I live in Washington state, so...


You see confederate flags in rural Minnesota as well, and 99.9% are not from the South and have no family lineage from the south either.


So, if it's not about "heritage"...

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Postby Merrill » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:52 pm

Corrian wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:There’s a house near me with like a half dozen signs like that

You should see some of the vehicles I've seen in the parking lot (I'm a loader/lot attendant at a Lowe's). Some people are whacko and love displaying it with 15 stickers on their back window.

Edit: Or all the idiots with their flags from their vehicles


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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:52 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:I’ve seen a few in AZ. Though those where from people not living in Maricopa county, most live in Gila or Pinal


I've got quite a few of them in my little town too, and this is the land of Lincoln and Grant for fuck's sake.

I’ve seen them in my small town in New York along with Trump flags and bumper stickers.
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Postby Corrian » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:55 pm

Merrill wrote:
Corrian wrote:You should see some of the vehicles I've seen in the parking lot (I'm a loader/lot attendant at a Lowe's). Some people are whacko and love displaying it with 15 stickers on their back window.

Edit: Or all the idiots with their flags from their vehicles


Ever think of working someplace where you don’t hate and despise your coworkers and customers?

I love most of my coworkers. That's why I still work there despite it being retail hell. But once I'm in a little more stable situation (like driving), I'm looking for a new job. Literally I feel the "Lowe's family" at my work overall, otherwise I would have left a long while ago.

Edit: Most customers are fine, too, but that's not really something that can be helped, besides me wanting a job that involves not working with customers at all.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:55 pm

Merrill wrote:
Corrian wrote:You should see some of the vehicles I've seen in the parking lot (I'm a loader/lot attendant at a Lowe's). Some people are whacko and love displaying it with 15 stickers on their back window.

Edit: Or all the idiots with their flags from their vehicles


Ever think of working someplace where you don’t hate and despise your coworkers and customers?


No such place exists anywhere in the world. You're always going to have people you despise and end up having to work with or serve.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:55 pm

Myrensis wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
You see confederate flags in rural Minnesota as well, and 99.9% are not from the South and have no family lineage from the south either.


So, if it's not about "heritage"...


I think it isn’t heritage for 98-99% of the time when one sees confederate flags north of the Mason Dixon line
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:56 pm

Merrill wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Please direct me to where the government has indicated death is the punishment for not complying with mask or vaccine mandates.


Death is the punishment for any disobedience. Even “Civil” penalties. They fine you, you refuse to pay, they arrest you, you resist, and they kill you.

There should be no laws that aren’t worth someone dying for.

That’s a heck of a narrow limit on laws, and a rather unique take on policing (considering that there is in fact a living prison population).

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Postby Rusozak » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:57 pm

Corrian wrote:
Merrill wrote:
Ever think of working someplace where you don’t hate and despise your coworkers and customers?

I love most of my coworkers. That's why I still work there despite it being retail hell. But once I'm in a little more stable situation (like driving), I'm looking for a new job. Literally I feel the "Lowe's family" at my work overall, otherwise I would have left a long while ago.

Edit: Most customers are fine, too, but that's not really something that can be helped, besides me wanting a job that involves not working with customers at all.


Customers though... Any job working with the general public makes most people realize they hate the general public.
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Postby Corrian » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:57 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Merrill wrote:
Ever think of working someplace where you don’t hate and despise your coworkers and customers?


No such place exists anywhere in the world. You're always going to have people you despise and end up having to work with or serve.

Its funny they think I hate all my coworkers simply because I'm pointing out a chunk of them suck. Even some of the unvaccinated ones I like as people, just not their poor choices. Its unfortunate they've been brainwashed the way they have.
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Postby Corrian » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:58 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Corrian wrote:I love most of my coworkers. That's why I still work there despite it being retail hell. But once I'm in a little more stable situation (like driving), I'm looking for a new job. Literally I feel the "Lowe's family" at my work overall, otherwise I would have left a long while ago.

Edit: Most customers are fine, too, but that's not really something that can be helped, besides me wanting a job that involves not working with customers at all.


Customers though... Any job working with the general public makes most people realize they hate the general public.

Let's just say I'm glad I work the parking lot and not any fucking department, especially customer service or cashier.
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Postby Eahland » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:59 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Corrian wrote:You would be surprised how many trucks I've seen with one.


I saw them in Wisconsin... It seems to just be a general rural white supremacist thing and completely lost the Southern identity it used to possess.

Protip: The Confederate flag has always been a white supremacist thing. Because the Confederacy was a white supremacist thing.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:59 pm

Corrian wrote:
Merrill wrote:
Ever think of working someplace where you don’t hate and despise your coworkers and customers?

I love most of my coworkers. That's why I still work there despite it being retail hell. But once I'm in a little more stable situation (like driving), I'm looking for a new job. Literally I feel the "Lowe's family" at my work overall, otherwise I would have left a long while ago.

Edit: Most customers are fine, too, but that's not really something that can be helped, besides me wanting a job that involves not working with customers at all.

Lowe’s is my favorite place to shop. The 10% discount is fucking awesome
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:01 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Corrian wrote:I love most of my coworkers. That's why I still work there despite it being retail hell. But once I'm in a little more stable situation (like driving), I'm looking for a new job. Literally I feel the "Lowe's family" at my work overall, otherwise I would have left a long while ago.

Edit: Most customers are fine, too, but that's not really something that can be helped, besides me wanting a job that involves not working with customers at all.

Lowe’s is my favorite place to shop. The 10% discount is fucking awesome


As a Midwesterner, I'm somewhat prejudiced myself, but Menards is the better one for me.
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Postby Corrian » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:01 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Corrian wrote:I love most of my coworkers. That's why I still work there despite it being retail hell. But once I'm in a little more stable situation (like driving), I'm looking for a new job. Literally I feel the "Lowe's family" at my work overall, otherwise I would have left a long while ago.

Edit: Most customers are fine, too, but that's not really something that can be helped, besides me wanting a job that involves not working with customers at all.

Lowe’s is my favorite place to shop. The 10% discount is fucking awesome

Its nice as an employee, too.
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Postby Merrill » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:01 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Merrill wrote:
Death is the punishment for any disobedience. Even “Civil” penalties. They fine you, you refuse to pay, they arrest you, you resist, and they kill you.

There should be no laws that aren’t worth someone dying for.

That’s a heck of a narrow limit on laws, and a rather unique take on policing (considering that there is in fact a living prison population).


That just means that the prisoners submitted. I promise, if you continue to resist, the government WILL kill you. Even George Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion. Or, sometimes if you know too much. Epstein didn’t kill himself…
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:02 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Lowe’s is my favorite place to shop. The 10% discount is fucking awesome


As a Midwesterner, I'm somewhat prejudiced myself, but Menards is the better one for me.

Little annoying when people ask me if the 11% is on, when it’s been going since February :roll:

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Postby Rusozak » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:03 pm

Eahland wrote:
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I saw them in Wisconsin... It seems to just be a general rural white supremacist thing and completely lost the Southern identity it used to possess.

Protip: The Confederate flag has always been a white supremacist thing. Because the Confederacy was a white supremacist thing.


Well yeah, I'm not saying it wasn't. But it's expanded beyond the South and lost its original Southern identity. Even gone international in some cases. So many people see that flag and don't even think about the Confederacy or the American South. They just see white supremacy.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:03 pm

Corrian wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Lowe’s is my favorite place to shop. The 10% discount is fucking awesome

Its nice as an employee, too.

Shame they don’t let ya stack the discounts or I’d totally work for Lowe’s. Though the best employee discount was Bass Pro Shops, 45% off
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:04 pm

Merrill wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:That’s a heck of a narrow limit on laws, and a rather unique take on policing (considering that there is in fact a living prison population).


That just means that the prisoners submitted. I promise, if you continue to resist, the government WILL kill you. Even George Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion. Or, sometimes if you know too much. Epstein didn’t kill himself…

Apparently then, the vast majority of criminals don’t sufficiently resist, and your statement (that death is the punishment for any disobedience) is rather false - unless you propose the government is successfully hiding somewhere between hundreds of thousands to millions of crime-related deaths annually.

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Postby Narland » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:08 pm

Eahland wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
I saw them in Wisconsin... It seems to just be a general rural white supremacist thing and completely lost the Southern identity it used to possess.

Protip: The Confederate flag has always been a white supremacist thing. Because the Confederacy was a white supremacist thing.

The problem is that is an oversimplification. Were there white supremacists in power, absolutely. Did that represent most Confederates? Probably not, else the Civilized Tribes of Amerind, and a majority of Hispanics and Latinos would not have fought on the side of the Rebels against the Union. I suspect the answer is somewhere in between Slavery, Northern Aggression, Oppressive, Taxation, White Supremacy, Abolition & Brotherhood of All Man, and the 2nd Great Awakening.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:10 pm

Narland wrote:
Eahland wrote:Protip: The Confederate flag has always been a white supremacist thing. Because the Confederacy was a white supremacist thing.

The problem is that is an oversimplification. Were there white supremacists in power, absolutely. Did that represent most Confederates? Probably not, else the Civilized Tribes of Amerind, and a majority of Hispanics and Latinos would not have fought on the side of the Rebels against the Union.


Not necessarily true, the "Civilised Tribes" actually had quite a few slave owners amongst them. Among the Cherokee alone, there were 3,200 slaves at the time of removal that went with them to Oklahoma, and the number just grew from there.
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:13 pm

Narland wrote:
Eahland wrote:Protip: The Confederate flag has always been a white supremacist thing. Because the Confederacy was a white supremacist thing.

The problem is that is an oversimplification. Were there white supremacists in power, absolutely. Did that represent most Confederates? Probably not, else the Civilized Tribes of Amerind, and a majority of Hispanics and Latinos would not have fought on the side of the Rebels against the Union. I suspect the answer is somewhere in between Slavery, Northern Aggression, Oppressive, Taxation, White Supremacy, Abolition & Brotherhood of All Man, and the 2nd Great Awakening.

The reason the "Civilized Tribes" fought for the Confederacy was in large part because they were tired of the Union/USA breaking deals. And in some part because of the slaves they owned.

And also, I never got the "Northern aggression" argument. The Confederacy literally started it by seceding and then demanding and shelling Fort Sumter, not to mention all the other raids on federal installations that went unchallenged by the Union before.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:16 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Narland wrote:The problem is that is an oversimplification. Were there white supremacists in power, absolutely. Did that represent most Confederates? Probably not, else the Civilized Tribes of Amerind, and a majority of Hispanics and Latinos would not have fought on the side of the Rebels against the Union. I suspect the answer is somewhere in between Slavery, Northern Aggression, Oppressive, Taxation, White Supremacy, Abolition & Brotherhood of All Man, and the 2nd Great Awakening.

The reason the "Civilized Tribes" fought for the Confederacy was in large part because they were tired of the Union/USA breaking deals. And in some part because of the slaves they owned.

And also, I never got the "Northern aggression" argument. The Confederacy literally started it by seceding and then demanding and shelling Fort Sumter, not to mention all the other raids on federal installations that went unchallenged by the Union before.

It doesn’t need to make sense, it was blame shifting by racists (and so on) to avoid the fact that they were ultimately fighting to preserve slavery.

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Postby Picairn » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:18 pm

Narland wrote:Northern Aggression

Why are you repeating the lies of the Confederacy?
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