NATION

PASSWORD

American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Is it no longer possible to collaborate with political opponents at this stage?

It is no longer possible.
232
36%
It is possible.
166
25%
Collaboration is possible if we have similar economic views.
47
7%
Collaboration is possible if we have similar cultural/social views.
106
16%
Why would I collaborate with anyone? Going monke is the best way forward.
102
16%
 
Total votes : 653

User avatar
Sundiata
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9755
Founded: Sep 27, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Sundiata » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:45 pm

Second Indus Order wrote:
Sundiata wrote:That's idea is not just stupid, it's racist.

how? the entirety of europe is based on cultural and ethnic heritages.

Not by law, anyone of any ethnic background can be a citizen of a European country. There are Khoisan citizens of Ireland and Han citizens of France. Anyone of any ethnic background can be virtuous.
Last edited by Sundiata on Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"Don't say, 'That person bothers me.' Think: 'That person sanctifies me.'"
-St. Josemaria Escriva

User avatar
North Washington Republic
Minister
 
Posts: 3090
Founded: Mar 13, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:That's support for a politician, not on actual public policy. Republicans are not hivemind on any political policy issue.


Well of course not, they don't care about policy issues. That's why they didn't even have a platform for 2020. It's all about the Messiah Trump.


“Owning da libs” seems the only thing 99.8% Republicans care about these days.
I’m a Wesleyan Christian center-left American Patriot. 29 year-old male and I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota
Pro: Jesus, The Holy Bible, Constitutional Republic, representative democracy, efficient and comprehensive welfare state, neoconservatism, civic nationalism, cannabis legalization, $15 an hour min.wage, religious liberty, LGBTQIA rights, Law & Order, police, death penalty, sensible reform of law enforcement, racial equity, peace through strength, NATO, EU
Anti: Satan, sin, anarchism, paleoconservatism, communism, libertarianism, fascism, ACAB, racism, populism, Trump(ism), Qanon, Putin, Xi, Taliban.
Economic Left/Right: -0.75. Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.67
My 8values results

GET VACCINATED ASAP AND WEAR A MASK!!!

User avatar
Second Indus Order
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 169
Founded: Jul 21, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Second Indus Order » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:46 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Sundiata wrote:So, you may have interpreted my words that way, but I did not say that. We shouldn't jail homosexuals for simply being homosexuals, that is a homophobic policy if there ever was one. There's also no legal basis for it.


We shouldn't make it illegal for blacks to vote...we just need to make sure that people pass a certain test in order to vote.

any IQ based test would keep a vast majority of blacks in the united states from voting. lol.
Anti: Democracy, human rights, progressivism, minority rights, technophilia
Pro: Imperialism, Scripture, God, lifting, traditionalism, primitivism
The WA and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

User avatar
Second Indus Order
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 169
Founded: Jul 21, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Second Indus Order » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:47 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Second Indus Order wrote:how? the entirety of europe is based on cultural and ethnic heritages.

Not by law, anyone of any ethnic background can be a citizen of a European country. There are Khoisan citizens of Ireland and Han citizens of France. Anyone of any ethnic background can be virtuous.

which is pretty cringe because they are not ancestrally native to the lands they are "assimilating" to. should be reversed.
Anti: Democracy, human rights, progressivism, minority rights, technophilia
Pro: Imperialism, Scripture, God, lifting, traditionalism, primitivism
The WA and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

User avatar
Punished UMN
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6163
Founded: Jul 05, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Punished UMN » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:47 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Well of course not, they don't care about policy issues. That's why they didn't even have a platform for 2020. It's all about the Messiah Trump.


“Owning da libs” seems the only thing 99.8% Republicans care about these days.

Because it has, unfortunately, been an effective electoral strategy.
Eastern Orthodox Christian. Purgatorial universalist.
Ascended beyond politics, now metapolitics is my best friend. Proud member of the Napoleon Bonaparte fandom.
I have borderline personality disorder, if I overreact to something, try to approach me after the fact and I'll apologize.
The political compass is like hell: if you find yourself on it, keep going.
Pro: The fundamental dignitas of the human spirit as expressed through its self-actualization in theosis. Anti: Faustian-Demonic Space Anarcho-Capitalism with Italo-Futurist Characteristics

User avatar
Second Indus Order
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 169
Founded: Jul 21, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Second Indus Order » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:47 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Well of course not, they don't care about policy issues. That's why they didn't even have a platform for 2020. It's all about the Messiah Trump.


“Owning da libs” seems the only thing 99.8% Republicans care about these days.

the only things american republicans ;conserve' is Israel and big business.
Anti: Democracy, human rights, progressivism, minority rights, technophilia
Pro: Imperialism, Scripture, God, lifting, traditionalism, primitivism
The WA and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

User avatar
Conservative Republic Of Huang
Minister
 
Posts: 2570
Founded: Jul 09, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:48 pm

Second Indus Order wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
We shouldn't make it illegal for blacks to vote...we just need to make sure that people pass a certain test in order to vote.

any IQ based test would keep a vast majority of blacks in the united states from voting. lol.

Cue rant about how IQ is more a reflection of education (i.e., according to IQ tests, the average member of certain African tribes has IQs equivalent to people with (genetic) severe mental deficiencies, while they obviously aren't.)
Pro: Direct democracy, e-democracy, parliamentary sovereignty, state secularism, non-violent direct action (striking), police reform, syndicalism, democratic workplace management
Anti: Most types of representative democracy, ultra-nationalism, imperialism, autocratic workplace management, the state

"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say syndicalism now, syndicalism tomorrow, syndicalism forever."
not conservative or a republic
Transparency

User avatar
North Washington Republic
Minister
 
Posts: 3090
Founded: Mar 13, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:48 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
“Owning da libs” seems the only thing 99.8% Republicans care about these days.

Because it has, unfortunately, been an effective electoral strategy.


And that’s why I left the Republican Party. They have embraced degeneracy and rejected good governance.
Last edited by North Washington Republic on Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I’m a Wesleyan Christian center-left American Patriot. 29 year-old male and I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota
Pro: Jesus, The Holy Bible, Constitutional Republic, representative democracy, efficient and comprehensive welfare state, neoconservatism, civic nationalism, cannabis legalization, $15 an hour min.wage, religious liberty, LGBTQIA rights, Law & Order, police, death penalty, sensible reform of law enforcement, racial equity, peace through strength, NATO, EU
Anti: Satan, sin, anarchism, paleoconservatism, communism, libertarianism, fascism, ACAB, racism, populism, Trump(ism), Qanon, Putin, Xi, Taliban.
Economic Left/Right: -0.75. Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.67
My 8values results

GET VACCINATED ASAP AND WEAR A MASK!!!

User avatar
Second Indus Order
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 169
Founded: Jul 21, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Second Indus Order » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:49 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Second Indus Order wrote:any IQ based test would keep a vast majority of blacks in the united states from voting. lol.

Cue rant about how IQ is more a reflection of education (i.e., according to IQ tests, the average member of certain African tribes has IQs equivalent to people with (genetic) severe mental deficiencies, while they obviously aren't.)

IQ totally isn't genetic. There isn't a genetic diversity of intelligence in human beings. Of course I'm not an NPC.
Anti: Democracy, human rights, progressivism, minority rights, technophilia
Pro: Imperialism, Scripture, God, lifting, traditionalism, primitivism
The WA and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

User avatar
Meretica
Senator
 
Posts: 4686
Founded: Nov 16, 2019
Democratic Socialists

Postby Meretica » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:50 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Sundiata wrote:So, you may have interpreted my words that way, but I did not say that. We shouldn't jail homosexuals for simply being homosexuals, that is a homophobic policy if there ever was one. There's also no legal basis for it.


We shouldn't make it illegal for blacks to vote...we just need to make sure that people pass a certain test to vote.

A test that can stop certain groups from being able to vote. Your statement reminds me of a story I heard about Quakers in New England. A certain election was being held back before America had declared independence. The establishment was sure they would win despite their popularity. Local farmers fathered more people than was expected to turn up at the town hall to vote. In an attempt to change the results, Quakers were barred from voting because they would not swear on the Bible; it violated their religious beliefs. It didn't change the outcome of the election (the farmers won) but it demonstrates that some will use any & all ways possible to stop groups they oppose from voting. I oppose a test from a moral standpoint because I believe in popular & national sovereignty; that the government has power only because it has the consent of the governed.

User avatar
Sundiata
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9755
Founded: Sep 27, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Sundiata » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:50 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Sundiata wrote:So, you may have interpreted my words that way, but I did not say that. We shouldn't jail homosexuals for simply being homosexuals, that is a homophobic policy if there ever was one. There's also no legal basis for it.

Then why did finding out that sodomy laws are unconstitutional here make you fly into a rant about how America is doomed?
To be perfectly honest, the United States was doomed from the start. It's designed extraordinarily poorly, from its Constitution to its Declaration of Independence.

Second Indus Order wrote:
Sundiata wrote:So, you may have interpreted my words that way, but I did not say that. We shouldn't jail homosexuals for simply being homosexuals, that is a homophobic policy if there ever was one. There's also no legal basis for it.

it will have a legal basis if society is based on scripture and not secular constitution.
I absolutely do not think so.

Neutraligon wrote:
Sundiata wrote:So, you may have interpreted my words that way, but I did not say that. We shouldn't jail homosexuals for simply being homosexuals, that is a homophobic policy if there ever was one. There's also no legal basis for it.


We shouldn't make it illegal for blacks to vote...we just need to make sure that people pass a certain test in order to vote.
A person should not be denied the right to participate in politics because they are a homosexual.
"Don't say, 'That person bothers me.' Think: 'That person sanctifies me.'"
-St. Josemaria Escriva

User avatar
Second Indus Order
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 169
Founded: Jul 21, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Second Indus Order » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:51 pm

Meretica wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
We shouldn't make it illegal for blacks to vote...we just need to make sure that people pass a certain test to vote.

A test that can stop certain groups from being able to vote. Your statement reminds me of a story I heard about Quakers in New England. A certain election was being held back before America had declared independence. The establishment was sure they would win despite their popularity. Local farmers fathered more people than was expected to turn up at the town hall to vote. In an attempt to change the results, Quakers were barred from voting because they would not swear on the Bible; it violated their religious beliefs. It didn't change the outcome of the election (the farmers won) but it demonstrates that some will use any & all ways possible to stop groups they oppose from voting. I oppose a test from a moral standpoint because I believe in popular & national sovereignty; that the government has power only because it has the consent of the governed.

well ideally no one should be allowed to be vote at all, just let religious and military leaders govern society.
Anti: Democracy, human rights, progressivism, minority rights, technophilia
Pro: Imperialism, Scripture, God, lifting, traditionalism, primitivism
The WA and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

User avatar
Second Indus Order
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 169
Founded: Jul 21, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Second Indus Order » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:51 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Then why did finding out that sodomy laws are unconstitutional here make you fly into a rant about how America is doomed?
To be perfectly honest, the United States was doomed from the start. It's designed extraordinarily poorly, from its Constitution to its Declaration of Independence.

Second Indus Order wrote:it will have a legal basis if society is based on scripture and not secular constitution.
I absolutely do not think so.

Neutraligon wrote:

We shouldn't make it illegal for blacks to vote...we just need to make sure that people pass a certain test in order to vote.
A person should not be denied the right to participate in politics because they are a homosexual.

i disagree.
Last edited by Second Indus Order on Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Anti: Democracy, human rights, progressivism, minority rights, technophilia
Pro: Imperialism, Scripture, God, lifting, traditionalism, primitivism
The WA and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

User avatar
Neutraligon
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 42328
Founded: Oct 01, 2011
New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:53 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Then why did finding out that sodomy laws are unconstitutional here make you fly into a rant about how America is doomed?
To be perfectly honest, the United States was doomed from the start. It's designed extraordinarily poorly, from its Constitution to its Declaration of Independence.

Second Indus Order wrote:it will have a legal basis if society is based on scripture and not secular constitution.
I absolutely do not think so.

Neutraligon wrote:
We shouldn't make it illegal for blacks to vote...we just need to make sure that people pass a certain test in order to vote.
A person should not be denied the right to participate in politics because they are a homosexual.


You missed the point of what I was saying.

Second Indus Order wrote:
Meretica wrote:A test that can stop certain groups from being able to vote. Your statement reminds me of a story I heard about Quakers in New England. A certain election was being held back before America had declared independence. The establishment was sure they would win despite their popularity. Local farmers fathered more people than was expected to turn up at the town hall to vote. In an attempt to change the results, Quakers were barred from voting because they would not swear on the Bible; it violated their religious beliefs. It didn't change the outcome of the election (the farmers won) but it demonstrates that some will use any & all ways possible to stop groups they oppose from voting. I oppose a test from a moral standpoint because I believe in popular & national sovereignty; that the government has power only because it has the consent of the governed.

well ideally no one should be allowed to be vote at all, just let religious and military leaders govern society.

Hell no
Last edited by Neutraligon on Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:54 pm, edited 2 times in total.
If you want to call me by a nickname, call me Gon...or NS Batman.
Mod stuff: One Stop Rules Shop | Reppy's Sig Workshop | Getting Help Request
Just A Little though

User avatar
Meretica
Senator
 
Posts: 4686
Founded: Nov 16, 2019
Democratic Socialists

Postby Meretica » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:54 pm

Second Indus Order wrote:
Sundiata wrote:To be perfectly honest, the United States was doomed from the start. It's designed extraordinarily poorly, from its Constitution to its Declaration of Independence.

I absolutely do not think so.

A person should not be denied the right to participate in politics because they are a homosexual.

I disagree.

Why? What makes them sub-human in your eyes?

User avatar
Meretica
Senator
 
Posts: 4686
Founded: Nov 16, 2019
Democratic Socialists

Postby Meretica » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:55 pm

Second Indus Order wrote:
Meretica wrote:A test that can stop certain groups from being able to vote. Your statement reminds me of a story I heard about Quakers in New England. A certain election was being held back before America had declared independence. The establishment was sure they would win despite their popularity. Local farmers fathered more people than was expected to turn up at the town hall to vote. In an attempt to change the results, Quakers were barred from voting because they would not swear on the Bible; it violated their religious beliefs. It didn't change the outcome of the election (the farmers won) but it demonstrates that some will use any & all ways possible to stop groups they oppose from voting. I oppose a test from a moral standpoint because I believe in popular & national sovereignty; that the government has power only because it has the consent of the governed.

well ideally no one should be allowed to be vote at all, just let religious and military leaders govern society.

If Trump joined the army and became a priest, we'd be doomed.

User avatar
Second Indus Order
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 169
Founded: Jul 21, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Second Indus Order » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:56 pm

Meretica wrote:
Second Indus Order wrote:I disagree.

Why? What makes them sub-human in your eyes?

because the Vedas say so. Scripture is superior to all collective human wisdom. If scripture says intercourse and marriage are between a man and a woman, than intercourse and marriage are between a man and a woman.
Anti: Democracy, human rights, progressivism, minority rights, technophilia
Pro: Imperialism, Scripture, God, lifting, traditionalism, primitivism
The WA and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

User avatar
Second Indus Order
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 169
Founded: Jul 21, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Second Indus Order » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:56 pm

Meretica wrote:
Second Indus Order wrote:well ideally no one should be allowed to be vote at all, just let religious and military leaders govern society.

If Trump joined the army and became a priest, we'd be doomed.

Tbh trump is a degenerate and a zionist shill.
Anti: Democracy, human rights, progressivism, minority rights, technophilia
Pro: Imperialism, Scripture, God, lifting, traditionalism, primitivism
The WA and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

User avatar
Vassenor
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 68113
Founded: Nov 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:57 pm

Second Indus Order wrote:
Meretica wrote:Why? What makes them sub-human in your eyes?

because the Vedas say so. Scripture is superior to all collective human wisdom. If scripture says intercourse and marriage are between a man and a woman, than intercourse and marriage are between a man and a woman.


Let me introduce you to my friend Separation of Church And State.
Jenny / Sailor Astraea
WOMAN

MtF trans and proud - She / Her / etc.
100% Asbestos Free

Team Mystic
#iamEUropean

"Have you ever had a moment online, when the need to prove someone wrong has outweighed your own self-preservation instincts?"

User avatar
Second Indus Order
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 169
Founded: Jul 21, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Second Indus Order » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:57 pm

Meretica wrote:
Second Indus Order wrote:well ideally no one should be allowed to be vote at all, just let religious and military leaders govern society.

If Trump joined the army and became a priest, we'd be doomed.

Tbh trump is a degenerate and a zionist shill.
Anti: Democracy, human rights, progressivism, minority rights, technophilia
Pro: Imperialism, Scripture, God, lifting, traditionalism, primitivism
The WA and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

User avatar
Sundiata
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9755
Founded: Sep 27, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Sundiata » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:57 pm

Neutraligon wrote:You missed the point of what I was saying.

Well, at least let me be emphatically clear that I do not believe that a person should be denied political participation because they are a homosexual or for any reason at all.
"Don't say, 'That person bothers me.' Think: 'That person sanctifies me.'"
-St. Josemaria Escriva

User avatar
Second Indus Order
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 169
Founded: Jul 21, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Second Indus Order » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:57 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Second Indus Order wrote:because the Vedas say so. Scripture is superior to all collective human wisdom. If scripture says intercourse and marriage are between a man and a woman, than intercourse and marriage are between a man and a woman.


Let me introduce you to my friend Separation of Church And State.

hold on, wait a second.








*dies of cringe*.
Anti: Democracy, human rights, progressivism, minority rights, technophilia
Pro: Imperialism, Scripture, God, lifting, traditionalism, primitivism
The WA and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

User avatar
Neutraligon
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 42328
Founded: Oct 01, 2011
New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:58 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:You missed the point of what I was saying.

Well, at least let me be emphatically clear that I do not believe that a person should be denied political participation because they are a homosexual or for any reason at all.

Still missing the point. The point was about laws crafted explicitly to target specific groups.
If you want to call me by a nickname, call me Gon...or NS Batman.
Mod stuff: One Stop Rules Shop | Reppy's Sig Workshop | Getting Help Request
Just A Little though

User avatar
Meretica
Senator
 
Posts: 4686
Founded: Nov 16, 2019
Democratic Socialists

Postby Meretica » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:59 pm

Second Indus Order wrote:
Meretica wrote:Why? What makes them sub-human in your eyes?

because the Vedas say so. Scripture is superior to all collective human wisdom. If scripture says intercourse and marriage are between a man and a woman, than intercourse and marriage are between a man and a woman.

No, they do not. The Vedas have, at times, referred to a third sex and the Kama Sutra, a Hindu text detailing the pleasures of sexuality, states that same-sex experience is "to be engaged in and enjoyed for its own sake as one of the arts." The Gay & Lesbian Vaishnava Association (GALVA) highlights, in its report Homosexuality, Hinduism and the Third Gender, the gender fluidity of Hindu deities, and notes that “everything in this world is a reflection of the original subtle and spiritual reality.” The epic Mahabharata features the transgender character Sikhandin, and depicts the warrior Arjuna cross-dressing to become Brihannala, teacher of fine arts. GALVA further notes, “Vedic culture allowed transgender people of the third sex, known as hijras, to live openly according to their gender identity.”

User avatar
Sundiata
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9755
Founded: Sep 27, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Sundiata » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:02 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Well, at least let me be emphatically clear that I do not believe that a person should be denied political participation because they are a homosexual or for any reason at all.

Still missing the point. The point was about laws crafted explicitly to target specific groups.

What do you mean to say?
"Don't say, 'That person bothers me.' Think: 'That person sanctifies me.'"
-St. Josemaria Escriva

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: El Lazaro, Keltionialang, The Greater Ohio Valley, The H Corporation, The Two Jerseys, Tungstan

Advertisement

Remove ads