American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

[Great Algerstonia]

Democracy doesn't always work, idealism doesn't always work. There is no perfect system and this world will soon be forced to rely on pragmatic and authoritarian governments with the sole motivation of preserving the status quo and ensuring the well-being of their citizens... and things will get worse from there once climate change gets REALLY bad. Government will be required to get bigger soon.

Let's get the state to fix the mess the state made...amazing. I don't like the anprims, but they're much much better than the ecofashes.

I'm not an ecofascist and I believe these measures will be required in decades, not now.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Let's get the state to fix the mess the state made...amazing. I don't like the anprims, but they're much much better than the ecofashes.

I'm not an ecofascist and I believe these measures will be required in decades, not now.

You believe authoritarianism will become necessary to preserve the environment. Ecofash-lite maybe.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I'm not an ecofascist and I believe these measures will be required in decades, not now.

You believe authoritarianism will become necessary to preserve the environment. Ecofash-lite maybe.

Fascism is more than just authoritarianism. It includes a enemy, militarism, and nationalism, along with racism usually.

[The Temple of the Computer]

I'm not an ecofascist and I believe these measures will be required in decades, not now.

You believe authoritarianism will become necessary to preserve the environment. Ecofash-lite maybe.

'Ecofash-lite' I think you mean ecological authoritarianism.

[Saiwania]

Let's get the state to fix the mess the state made...amazing. I don't like the anprims, but they're much much better than the ecofashes.

More often than not, it was private industry or civilians that destroyed the environment. The government has done its share of pollution, so people in general are all to blame on some level because economic gain took priority over environmental health. The state is nonetheless in a much better position to tax carbon or to otherwise address climate change than energy companies or private interests if influence from lobbying was taken away.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

You believe authoritarianism will become necessary to preserve the environment. Ecofash-lite maybe.

Fascism is more than just authoritarianism. It includes a enemy, militarism, and nationalism, along with racism usually.

A bit loose with my language. I refer to the ecofashes since they are the main current of authoritarian deep ecology.

[Great Algerstonia]

I'm not an ecofascist and I believe these measures will be required in decades, not now.

You believe authoritarianism will become necessary to preserve the environment. Ecofash-lite maybe.

Well, what other way is there? Private companies will not take the steps necessary and the citizen doesn't have the power to make a meaningful effect. If climate change has not been rectified within this decade, an authoritarian state will be necessary to secure a future for humanity.

[Neutraligon]

You believe authoritarianism will become necessary to preserve the environment. Ecofash-lite maybe.

Well, what other way is there? Private companies will not take the steps necessary and the citizen doesn't have the power to make a meaningful effect. If climate change has not been rectified within this decade, an authoritarian state will be necessary to secure a future for humanity.

Incentivize companies so that they do take the necessary steps. Coal is a dying thing, instead have the government put money into green technology. Take away the subsidies for oil and put them into companies that improve solar panels and the like. Incentivize the use of nuclear with support for looking into various ways to dispose of nuclear waste.

[The Reformed American Republic]

You believe authoritarianism will become necessary to preserve the environment. Ecofash-lite maybe.

Well, what other way is there? Private companies will not take the steps necessary and the citizen doesn't have the power to make a meaningful effect. If climate change has not been rectified within this decade, an authoritarian state will be necessary to secure a future for humanity.

I mostly agree here, though I wouldn't trust the GOP to protect the environment. I don't think we need a full fledged dictatorship though, nor do I think the modern status quo is worth preserving.

[Sincluda]

Wow are partisan tensions tight. Reminds me of James Monroe and the Era of Good Feelings. Wish we had that.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Wow are partisan tensions tight. Reminds me of James Monroe and the Era of Good Feelings. Wish we had that.

Me too.

[Picairn]

Wow are partisan tensions tight. Reminds me of James Monroe and the Era of Good Feelings. Wish we had that.

"The designation of the period by historians as one of good feelings is often conveyed with irony or skepticism, as the history of the era was one in which the political atmosphere was strained and divisive, especially among factions within the Monroe administration and the Democratic-Republican Party."

Division is eternal, even in times of national unity and patriotic sentiments.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

You believe authoritarianism will become necessary to preserve the environment. Ecofash-lite maybe.

Well, what other way is there? Private companies will not take the steps necessary and the citizen doesn't have the power to make a meaningful effect. If climate change has not been rectified within this decade, an authoritarian state will be necessary to secure a future for humanity.

Deconstruct the economic system that incentivizes behaviors that destroy the environment.

[North Washington Republic]

It makes extremely livid to see and hear MAGAs and right-wing pundits downplaying the January 6 attack on the Capitol, and with some going as far as mocking the Capitol police that prevented They were NEVER pro-police, that was a fucking lie.

[Kowani]

Senate votes to move forward on the bipartisan infrastructure package (67-32)

[Punished UMN]

Well, what other way is there? Private companies will not take the steps necessary and the citizen doesn't have the power to make a meaningful effect. If climate change has not been rectified within this decade, an authoritarian state will be necessary to secure a future for humanity.

Deconstruct the economic system that incentivizes behaviors that destroy the environment.

So how will you do that actually? The public doesn't want to, the financial elites don't want to, who has the motive to actually do this? You realize that it will of course require a permanent reduction in the standard of living of a vast portion of the global population, yes?

[Sundiata]

Deconstruct the economic system that incentivizes behaviors that destroy the environment.

So how will you do that actually? The public doesn't want to, the financial elites don't want to, who has the motive to actually do this? You realize that it will of course require a permanent reduction in the standard of living of a vast portion of the global population, yes?

The poor want better.

[North Washington Republic]

Deconstruct the economic system that incentivizes behaviors that destroy the environment.

So how will you do that actually? The public doesn't want to, the financial elites don't want to, who has the motive to actually do this? You realize that it will of course require a permanent reduction in the standard of living of a vast portion of the global population, yes?

Don’t people realize that there is such a thing as echo-capitalism, right? We can use cleaner forms of energy(such as nuclear) and advanced carbon capture technology? The thing is that anti-capitalists and anarcho-primitivists are very loud and try to hijack legitimate concerns for the environment and the longevity of the earth.

So how will you do that actually? The public doesn't want to, the financial elites don't want to, who has the motive to actually do this? You realize that it will of course require a permanent reduction in the standard of living of a vast portion of the global population, yes?

The poor want better.

Agreed. That is why I support adopting a more comprehensive welfare state similar to those in European countries. Which puts me on the left on the American political spectrum. However, I believe that this is part of having a safe and stable society for everyone. There are also must be law and order.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Deconstruct the economic system that incentivizes behaviors that destroy the environment.

So how will you do that actually? The public doesn't want to, the financial elites don't want to, who has the motive to actually do this? You realize that it will of course require a permanent reduction in the standard of living of a vast portion of the global population, yes?

Oh, I know it won't happen. The climate disaster is inevitable at this point. But if we were to try and do something about it, fiat-ing the necessary political will, the best thing would be to decentralize radically, not create an authoritarian deep ecologist state.

[Punished UMN]

So how will you do that actually? The public doesn't want to, the financial elites don't want to, who has the motive to actually do this? You realize that it will of course require a permanent reduction in the standard of living of a vast portion of the global population, yes?

Don’t people realize that there is such a thing as echo-capitalism, right? We can use cleaner forms of energy(such as nuclear) and advanced carbon capture technology? The thing is that anti-capitalists and anarcho-primitivists are very loud and try to hijack legitimate concerns for the environment and the longevity of the earth.

Except we're not going to. The situation is already spiraling out of control, and even if we could solve that, we still will run into the issue that an economy contingent on perpetual growth will in fact eventually run out of resources.

[North Washington Republic]

Don’t people realize that there is such a thing as echo-capitalism, right? We can use cleaner forms of energy(such as nuclear) and advanced carbon capture technology? The thing is that anti-capitalists and anarcho-primitivists are very loud and try to hijack legitimate concerns for the environment and the longevity of the earth.

Except we're not going to. The situation is already spiraling out of control, and even if we could solve that, we still will run into the issue that an economy contingent on perpetual growth will in fact eventually run out of resources.

That is a common argument that I hear from right-wing Christians. “It doesn’t matter anyway, there is nothing we can do about preserving the longevity of the planet because we are in the end times.”

[Salus Maior]

Except we're not going to. The situation is already spiraling out of control, and even if we could solve that, we still will run into the issue that an economy contingent on perpetual growth will in fact eventually run out of resources.

That is a common argument that I hear from right-wing Christians. “It doesn’t matter anyway, there is nothing we can do about preserving the longevity of the planet because we are in the end times.”

That's not at all what he's saying.

[Sundiata]

Agreed. That is why I support adopting a more comprehensive welfare state similar to those in European countries. Which puts me on the left on the American political spectrum. However, I believe that this is part of having a safe and stable society for everyone. There are also must be law and order.

Absolutely, there should be no such thing as involuntary poverty.

[North Washington Republic]

That is a common argument that I hear from right-wing Christians. “It doesn’t matter anyway, there is nothing we can do about preserving the longevity of the planet because we are in the end times.”

That's not at all what he's saying.

Okay, if that isn’t his view, what does he propose to stop the destruction of the planet?

[North Washington Republic]

Absolutely, there should be no such thing as involuntary poverty.

See, if I lived in Europe, I would gladly be part of the majority of their mainstream center-right parties. Definitely if were talking about the CDU in Germany or the LRM in France. The GOP is fucking batshit crazy and degenerate. It makes me want to puke.