Well he isn’t getting the vaccine any time soon either.
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by The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:55 am
by Ifreann » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:59 am
by Sundiata » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:01 am
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Sundiata wrote:It's not that gay-attraction is a sin in historical Christianity, but gay acts. It's of little relevance to American life and law with the imposition of constitutional secularism. For their day, the founders were an unfortunately liberal group.
I don't know how liberal I am, but I agree with the idea of separation of religion and state. While I support laws prohibiting indecent exposure and the like, the state should not enforce religious morality on the populace.
by The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:07 am
by The Reformed American Republic » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:09 am
Sundiata wrote:The Reformed American Republic wrote:I don't know how liberal I am, but I agree with the idea of separation of religion and state. While I support laws prohibiting indecent exposure and the like, the state should not enforce religious morality on the populace.
You're in the very least a classical liberal which both political parties in the United States fundamentally are. I am neither a modern liberal or conservative in the American context; I don't support the separation of religion and state as a constitutional principle and have my fair share of disagreements with the Founding Fathers.
Not limited to that, but it is one example.
by Ifreann » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:12 am
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Ifreann wrote:I'd bet every last cent I own and could borrow that Rand Paul is fully vaccinated. Well, not really, I'd feel like I'd swindled someone out of all that money. I'm very confident is what I'm saying.
Possibly, do you think that someone would make a Biden worshiping conspiracy theory?
by San Lumen » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:13 am
Sundiata wrote:Hispida wrote:I mean, you kind of do, considering you're calling the LGBT sinners because of an attraction (or lack thereof) we have no control over.
It's not that gay-attraction is a sin in historical Christianity, but gay acts. It's of little relevance to American life and law with the imposition of constitutional secularism. For their day, the founders were an unfortunately liberal group.
by The Reformed American Republic » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:18 am
San Lumen wrote:Sundiata wrote:It's not that gay-attraction is a sin in historical Christianity, but gay acts. It's of little relevance to American life and law with the imposition of constitutional secularism. For their day, the founders were an unfortunately liberal group.
How is this not an inherent contradiction? Its ok to be gay but not act on it? In other words live of life of never touching another man or girl and no intimate acts? Thats totally unreasonable to ask of someone.
by Tarsonis » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:18 am
San Lumen wrote:Sundiata wrote:It's not that gay-attraction is a sin in historical Christianity, but gay acts. It's of little relevance to American life and law with the imposition of constitutional secularism. For their day, the founders were an unfortunately liberal group.
How is this not an inherent contradiction? Its ok to be gay but not act on it? In other words live of life of never touching another man or girl and no intimate acts? Thats totally unreasonable to ask of someone.
by Sundiata » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:18 am
San Lumen wrote:Sundiata wrote:It's not that gay-attraction is a sin in historical Christianity, but gay acts. It's of little relevance to American life and law with the imposition of constitutional secularism. For their day, the founders were an unfortunately liberal group.
How is this not an inherent contradiction? Its ok to be gay but not act on it? In other words live of life of never touching another man or girl and no intimate acts? Thats totally unreasonable to ask of someone.
by San Lumen » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:19 am
Sundiata wrote:San Lumen wrote:
How is this not an inherent contradiction? Its ok to be gay but not act on it? In other words live of life of never touching another man or girl and no intimate acts? Thats totally unreasonable to ask of someone.
In its full context, it's not anymore unreasonable to ask than the other 99% of the Christian message. But nonetheless, I sympathize with how difficult adherence can be, even that part.
by Sundiata » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:22 am
San Lumen wrote:Sundiata wrote:In its full context, it's not anymore unreasonable to ask than the other 99% of the Christian message. But nonetheless, I sympathize with how difficult adherence can be, even that part.
It is completely unreasonable. You telling that person to live their life alone and never have a family of their own.
by San Lumen » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:24 am
by HISPIDA » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:25 am
Sundiata wrote:San Lumen wrote:
It is completely unreasonable. You telling that person to live their life alone and never have a family of their own.
Not live their life alone, no, not necessarily. Nonetheless, it's a reasonable cost for entry into heaven. All struggles in this life are small in comparison to what we get.
by Sundiata » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:28 am
San Lumen wrote:Sundiata wrote:Not live their life alone, no, not necessarily. Nonetheless, it's a reasonable cost for entry into heaven. All struggles in this life are.
You telling me and anyone else whose gay don't touch or do anything intimate with someone of the same sex and never have children. That's merely another way of telling someone to be alone.
by The Alma Mater » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:28 am
Sundiata wrote:San Lumen wrote:
It is completely unreasonable. You telling that person to live their life alone and never have a family of their own.
Not live their life alone, no, not necessarily. Nonetheless, it's a reasonable cost for entry into heaven. All struggles in this life are small in comparison to what we get.
by Ifreann » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:28 am
by The Reformed American Republic » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:29 am
Sundiata wrote:San Lumen wrote:
It is completely unreasonable. You telling that person to live their life alone and never have a family of their own.
Not live their life alone, no, not necessarily. Nonetheless, it's a reasonable cost for entry into heaven. All struggles in this life are small in comparison to what we get.
by San Lumen » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:29 am
Sundiata wrote:San Lumen wrote:
You telling me and anyone else whose gay don't touch or do anything intimate with someone of the same sex and never have children. That's merely another way of telling someone to be alone.
Not alone, because you'd still have a community. But I am asking you sacrifice this short life in exchange for your eternal one.
If possible, I'd like that ethos to be enshrined into American law but it's not immediately probable.
by Tarsonis » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:31 am
by Sundiata » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:32 am
Hispida wrote:Sundiata wrote:Not live their life alone, no, not necessarily. Nonetheless, it's a reasonable cost for entry into heaven. All struggles in this life are small in comparison to what we get.
It's my belief we're all going to Heaven in the end regardless, so I don't see any reason why I should force my beliefs on people who won't accept them.
by Thermodolia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:35 am
Sundiata wrote:San Lumen wrote:
You telling me and anyone else whose gay don't touch or do anything intimate with someone of the same sex and never have children. That's merely another way of telling someone to be alone.
Not alone, because you'd still have a community. But I am asking you sacrifice this short life in exchange for your eternal one.
If possible, I'd like that ethos to be enshrined into American law but it's not immediately probable.
by Thermodolia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:36 am
Biwolfia wrote:There have only been like 6 cases of the US getting along with its enemies: UK, Canada, France, Japan, USSR, Germany
by The Reformed American Republic » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:37 am
Biwolfia wrote:There have only been like 6 cases of the US getting along with its enemies: UK, Canada, France, Japan, USSR, Germany
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