American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

[Tarsonis]

what a ride

mccarthy picked 5 republicans for the jan 6 committee, pelosi said no to jim jordan and jim banks (because they're far right nutcases dedicated to sabotaging the enterprise), mccarthy threw a temper tantrum, pulled all the republicans from the commission (though it seems liz cheney has stayed on), and they're also going to do their own investigation

I can see it now "It was Ben and Jerry's in the observatory with a candle stick."

[Salus Maior]

what a ride

mccarthy picked 5 republicans for the jan 6 committee, pelosi said no to jim jordan and jim banks (because they're far right nutcases dedicated to sabotaging the enterprise), mccarthy threw a temper tantrum, pulled all the republicans from the commission (though it seems liz cheney has stayed on), and they're also going to do their own investigation

Oh good, can't wait for the conflicting, alternate facts to come from the two investigations.

[Cannot think of a name]

what a ride

mccarthy picked 5 republicans for the jan 6 committee, pelosi said no to jim jordan and jim banks (because they're far right nutcases dedicated to sabotaging the enterprise), mccarthy threw a temper tantrum, pulled all the republicans from the commission (though it seems liz cheney has stayed on), and they're also going to do their own investigation

Oh good, can't wait for the conflicting, alternate facts to come from the two investigations.

Here's what I can't stand about it. One will actually be an examination of what happened. Perhaps not the most robust, but at least an attempt. One will be a fabrication meant to obfuscate the issue. Acceptance of these not at all equal value things will be more or less along party lines. And then some jackass will come along and go, "People will believe what suits them" as if both of these reports are of equal value and dismissing the people who go with the one that tried as partisan instead of 'well, this one is clearly not total shit.'

And the person that made that slackjawed evaluation will be oh so clever for seeing above this partisan fray, you see, and not a flaming jackass that is also fucking up the discourse.

[Kowani]

what a ride

mccarthy picked 5 republicans for the jan 6 committee, pelosi said no to jim jordan and jim banks (because they're far right nutcases dedicated to sabotaging the enterprise), mccarthy threw a temper tantrum, pulled all the republicans from the commission (though it seems liz cheney has stayed on), and they're also going to do their own investigation

Didn’t they also have a list of demands to which she granted?

no, that one was the other bipartisan committee that senate republicans killed off

[Fauzjhia]

Didn’t they also have a list of demands to which she granted?

no, that one was the other bipartisan committee that senate republicans killed off

because the republican really want to play bipartisan politics ?

[North Washington Republic]

what a ride

mccarthy picked 5 republicans for the jan 6 committee, pelosi said no to jim jordan and jim banks (because they're far right nutcases dedicated to sabotaging the enterprise), mccarthy threw a temper tantrum, pulled all the republicans from the commission (though it seems liz cheney has stayed on), and they're also going to do their own investigation

Oh good, can't wait for the conflicting, alternate facts to come from the two investigations.

The GQP’s “investigation” are going to come to the conclusion that it was really antifa that attacked the Capitol.

[Rusozak]

Oh good, can't wait for the conflicting, alternate facts to come from the two investigations.

The GQP’s “investigation” are going to come to the conclusion that it was really antifa that attacked the Capitol.

Or that it never happened at all and it was Jewish space lasers beaming a false reality into our heads.

[North Washington Republic]

The GQP’s “investigation” are going to come to the conclusion that it was really antifa that attacked the Capitol.

Or that it never happened at all and it was Jewish space lasers beaming a false reality into our heads.

Most Republican voter downplay, deny it was Trump supporters that attacked the Capitol or actually support the January 6 attack. Republican politicians are not lying when they say they represent their constituents, since we’re gerrymandered AF.

[Tarsonis]

Oh good, can't wait for the conflicting, alternate facts to come from the two investigations.

The GQP’s “investigation” are going to come to the conclusion that it was really antifa that attacked the Capitol.

No. It was Ben and Jerry, in the observatory, with a candlestick.

[Cannot think of a name]

The GQP’s “investigation” are going to come to the conclusion that it was really antifa that attacked the Capitol.

Or that it never happened at all and it was Jewish space lasers beaming a false reality into our heads.

Legit ran into a Trump guy who thought the whole thing was staged. It immediately devolved into people trying to figure out where he got his news, which given that even the other people that were supporting his arguments up to that point bailed on him with that we never really got an answer as much as a lot of mumbling and subject changing. In the end the guys that were on his side kind of came around (the whole thing started with a discussion about LGBT+ folks) to the other side so to speak I think just to distance themselves from the guy who thought the insurrection was staged.

[Fauzjhia]

Or that it never happened at all and it was Jewish space lasers beaming a false reality into our heads.

Most Republican voter downplay, deny it was Trump supporters that attacked the Capitol or actually support the January 6 attack. Republican politicians are not lying when they say they represent their constituents, since we’re gerrymandered AF.

obviously. sacrifice a county to democrats, stacking their votes, and you have increase chances to win every others.
old and proven receipt to win the election in FPTP. And why I think FPTP is a relic of the old non-democratic age.

Or that it never happened at all and it was Jewish space lasers beaming a false reality into our heads.

Legit ran into a Trump guy who thought the whole thing was staged. It immediately devolved into people trying to figure out where he got his news, which given that even the other people that were supporting his arguments up to that point bailed on him with that we never really got an answer as much as a lot of mumbling and subject changing. In the end the guys that were on his side kind of came around (the whole thing started with a discussion about LGBT+ folks) to the other side so to speak I think just to distance themselves from the guy who thought the insurrection was staged.

that's the problem with (trumpist) or I should i say hyper-conservatives. They don't really live in reality anymore, real news will not teach them, because they prefer to live in alternative facts, where Trump apparently won the election, and got stolen by an evil machine, you can try to explain many times how it was disproven by every credible source, and they will not listen.
its also why I dislike/hate the far-right new network. We can talk when its two different ideologies, its not easy, but possible. but when its facts and lies, talking is not possible.
We should ask ourselves, why so meany people believe in such lies...

[The Black Forrest]

Biden is not a great orator and yet he can be blunt and to the point:

“I don’t care if you think I’m Satan reincarnated; the fact is you can’t look at that television and say nothing happened on the 6th. You can’t listen to people who say this was a peaceful march.”

[Postauthoritarian America]

Well? It may have been we tuned out then. Might have been we weren’t the target audience either being hitech and salaried.



Do you remember a couple of the lies? A quick google only gave a few stories of historians disagree and didn’t have any examples on what…mainly political talk….

The big one I remember is that the revolutionary war started because Britain was starting to outlaw slavery and the US didn't want to give up slavery, so they revolted against the British to keep their slaves.

Here are some thoughts on that from a reenactor

Let me be clear: I love my country. I love it as much as anyone who views initiatives such as the New York Times’s 1619 Project and the teaching of critical race theory as threats. But I also love history and believe the histories of too many Americans have been left untold, while much of the rest has been prettified to make the more privileged among us feel better about ourselves.

So I found myself explaining, for example, that the Declaration itself lists among King George’s sins that “he has excited domestic insurrections amongst us” — a direct reference to the escape or revolt of enslaved African Americans. And further, that the Southern colonies that depended on the labor of enslaved people would not have agreed to sign the Constitution without representation in the House based on partial credit for such “property.”

...Immersing ourselves in the fullest version of our history is one way to take responsibility. Another is to keep the essential promises we make to each other as fellow citizens — and to keep each other honest about it.

[The Black Forrest]

Or that it never happened at all and it was Jewish space lasers beaming a false reality into our heads.

Legit ran into a Trump guy who thought the whole thing was staged. It immediately devolved into people trying to figure out where he got his news, which given that even the other people that were supporting his arguments up to that point bailed on him with that we never really got an answer as much as a lot of mumbling and subject changing. In the end the guys that were on his side kind of came around (the whole thing started with a discussion about LGBT+ folks) to the other side so to speak I think just to distance themselves from the guy who thought the insurrection was staged.

Oh yea they are out there. I was driving to my back cracker and saw a van (it always seems to be a van) and on the window he wrote “Fake virus free mason child abusers”

On the side was other things but I could only make out “I voted for a freemason child abuser”

[Postauthoritarian America]

Biden is not a great orator and yet he can be blunt and to the point:

“I don’t care if you think I’m Satan reincarnated; the fact is you can’t look at that television and say nothing happened on the 6th. You can’t listen to people who say this was a peaceful march.”

How many of these kinds of events did Trump do in four years? None. How many times has Biden called the free press enemies of the people, out to get him, etc? None.

There was some clickbait story in Politico recently about how Biden's off-the-cuff remarks were getting him in a little trouble. Do tell. When have we ever been in that situation before. Like every fucking day from 2017 through 2020. Fucking please.

[Cannot think of a name]

Biden is not a great orator and yet he can be blunt and to the point:

“I don’t care if you think I’m Satan reincarnated; the fact is you can’t look at that television and say nothing happened on the 6th. You can’t listen to people who say this was a peaceful march.”

How many of these kinds of events did Trump do in four years? None. How many times has Biden called the free press enemies of the people, out to get him, etc? None.

There was some clickbait story in Politico recently about how Biden's off-the-cuff remarks were getting him in a little trouble. Do tell. When have we ever been in that situation before. Like every fucking day from 2017 through 2020. Fucking please.

The only bar that Trump raised was the 'how batshit does something a president says have to be to make a wave' since we had to let so many batshit things go because he had already said ten things stupider.

[Bombadil]

Personally I don't think Pelosi should have rejected those two.. to be sat within a group with the facts laid bare would at least have shifted their centre, and it just gave the Republicans an excuse to pull the entire thing, which is effectively what they've done by pulling all the Republicans.

It's not to say things are political, of course they're political and the Republicans want as little noise around the facts as possible but this has just stymied things and reduced it to he said/she said.

[Catarapania]

We should ask ourselves, why so meany people believe in such lies...

It's simple. The Left has made it clear that there is no room for "God and Guns Conservativism" in their society. So we have elected to fight back against the Leftist agenda by any means necessary.

I don't condone outright deception. I find it deplorable that we have been forced to such measures. I hate Trump with a burning passion for what he turned my party into. But, at the end of the day, the Left is still an existential threat to us. How did you expect us to respond to the Culture War setbacks you foisted upon us during the Obama administration? Roll over and let you marginalize us? Fuck that shit.

[Uiiop]

We should ask ourselves, why so meany people believe in such lies...

It's simple. The Left has made it clear that there is no room for "God and Guns Conservativism" in their society. So we have elected to fight back against the Leftist agenda by any means necessary.

I don't condone outright deception. I find it deplorable that we have been forced to such measures. I hate Trump with a burning passion for what he turned my party into. But, at the end of the day, the Left is still an existential threat to us. How did you expect us to respond to the Culture War setbacks you foisted upon us during the Obama administration? Roll over and let you marginalize us? Fuck that shit.

Hi i'm a leftist who supports you having gods and guns and only opposite your conservatism. Nice to meet you.

[Bombadil]

How did you expect us to respond to the Culture War setbacks you foisted upon us during the Obama administration? Roll over and let you marginalize us? Fuck that shit.

...

Using wedge issues such as religion, abortion and gun rights was a specific strategy by the Republicans from way back in the 70's.. to appeal to those who gut reacted to progressive issues such as rights, specifically to appeal to the South.

Alas these are losing support and narrowing into a smaller and thus concentrated toxic pool of base support that results in Trump supporters, who'll believe anything to cling to their view of 'culture'.

[North Washington Republic]

We should ask ourselves, why so meany people believe in such lies...

It's simple. The Left has made it clear that there is no room for "God and Guns Conservativism" in their society. So we have elected to fight back against the Leftist agenda by any means necessary.

I don't condone outright deception. I find it deplorable that we have been forced to such measures. I hate Trump with a burning passion for what he turned my party into. But, at the end of the day, the Left is still an existential threat to us. How did you expect us to respond to the Culture War setbacks you foisted upon us during the Obama administration? Roll over and let you marginalize us? Fuck that shit.

Stop acting like a victim. Conservative Christianity is not under attack in the United States, most people are just not agreeing with your on abortion and especially LGBT issues anymore.

[Fauzjhia]

We should ask ourselves, why so meany people believe in such lies...

It's simple. The Left has made it clear that there is no room for "God and Guns Conservativism" in their society. So we have elected to fight back against the Leftist agenda by any means necessary.

I don't condone outright deception. I find it deplorable that we have been forced to such measures. I hate Trump with a burning passion for what he turned my party into. But, at the end of the day, the Left is still an existential threat to us. How did you expect us to respond to the Culture War setbacks you foisted upon us during the Obama administration? Roll over and let you marginalize us? Fuck that shit.

Separation of religion, and states (or and important mission /education and healthcare) is not forbidding from believing in (GOD) (Although I'll be honest, I'm an atheist, i do not believe in gods.) You are still very much allowed to believe in what ever gods you want. I know something like the Quebec's bill 21 would not pass in the USA' but you guys misunderstand it, it does not forbid you from believing, it forbid you from showing your religion when you work for the state, who is not suppose to favor any religion in particular.

Meanwhile, I think the left do not entirely agree about guns, but that every left person agree that it is necessary to lessen the number of death caused by guns each year. Some guys think all guns should be banned, but that's not everyone in the left, (a very large group composed f countless ideologies)

someone will have to explain what's that culture war, because I don't I get it.

[North Washington Republic]

How did you expect us to respond to the Culture War setbacks you foisted upon us during the Obama administration? Roll over and let you marginalize us? Fuck that shit.

...

Using wedge issues such as religion, abortion and gun rights was a specific strategy by the Republicans from way back in the 70's.. to appeal to those who gut reacted to progressive issues such as rights, specifically to appeal to the South.

Alas these are losing support and narrowing into a smaller and thus concentrated toxic pool of base support that results in Trump supporters, who'll believe anything to cling to their view of 'culture'.

Right-wing Christians are panicking because they’re such a shrinking part of the population.

[Punished UMN]

...

Using wedge issues such as religion, abortion and gun rights was a specific strategy by the Republicans from way back in the 70's.. to appeal to those who gut reacted to progressive issues such as rights, specifically to appeal to the South.

Alas these are losing support and narrowing into a smaller and thus concentrated toxic pool of base support that results in Trump supporters, who'll believe anything to cling to their view of 'culture'.

Right-wing Christians are panicking because they’re such a shrinking part of the population.

I mean that's actually a pretty good reason to panic historically speaking. It typically means that one's community may cease to exist soon for lack of ability to continue its practices and self-propagate.

[North Washington Republic]

Right-wing Christians are panicking because they’re such a shrinking part of the population.

I mean that's actually a pretty good reason to panic historically speaking. It typically means that one's community may cease to exist soon for lack of ability to continue its practices and self-propagate.

Well, in the United States, we have religious liberty. People are free to be religious as they wish to be, however this also includes the freedom of to be non-religious. Millennials and gen z as whole are leaving religious. I will say that that the millennials and gen z folks that are religious tend to be VERY religious.