American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

[The Temple of the Computer]

and nothing gives their shenanigans the veneer of credibility like leftist demagogues like Vass, who slander anyone who doesn't buy CRT dogma as racist.

how this makes any sense is beyond me
"person X says something wrong so i will go with the self-admitted propaganda artist???"

Listen Kowani A.I, there is no greater calling than to own the libs, you know this, I know this, everyone knows this.

[Tarsonis]

and nothing gives their shenanigans the veneer of credibility like leftist demagogues like Vass, who slander anyone who doesn't buy CRT dogma as racist.

how this makes any sense is beyond me
"person X says something wrong so i will go with the self-admitted propaganda artist???"

When person X does exactly what the propaganda artist says they're doing, it starts taking this into broke clock territory.

[Tarsonis]

and nothing gives their shenanigans the veneer of credibility like leftist demagogues like Vass, who slander anyone who doesn't buy CRT dogma as racist.

Yes because that's what debunks CRT....Vass on NSG.

I didn't say anything about debunking crt but okay

[The Temple of the Computer]

how this makes any sense is beyond me
"person X says something wrong so i will go with the self-admitted propaganda artist???"

When person X does exactly what the propaganda artist says they're doing, it starts taking this into broke clock territory.

What is Person X doing exactly what the propaganda artist says they're doing?

[Salus Maior]

Tbh the actual history still shows that African Americans were subject to unfair treatment by the law from the very beginning, before slavery was even firmly codified in the colonies.

So I don’t see why people need to just make stuff up.

Dunno.

Remind me what the point of the 1619 project was again?

[Galloism]

Dunno.

Remind me what the point of the 1619 project was again?

So, I can't prove it, but I have *really* hot take on this.

[Salus Maior]

Remind me what the point of the 1619 project was again?

So, I can't prove it, but I have *really* hot take on this.

Well, it is Summer so shoot your shot.

[Kowani]

how this makes any sense is beyond me
"person X says something wrong so i will go with the self-admitted propaganda artist???"

When person X does exactly what the propaganda artist says they're doing, it starts taking this into broke clock territory.

this also makes no sense
whether or not people opposed to "CRT" are accused of racial animus (which is complicated) that doesn't make their opposition in good-faith (which it isn't)

[Galloism]

So, I can't prove it, but I have *really* hot take on this.

Well, it is Summer so shoot your shot.

So one of the things I learned several years ago is that corporate diversity training is not, actually, designed to increase or celebrate diversity, but in fact designed to increase racial tension because it's effective at union busting when workers see each other as different instead of on the same side. It's a capitalist divide and conquer thing.

I assert that the New York Times, among other large capitalist news outlets (Fox, Washington Post, etc) tend to do what their capitalist owners tell them. Because owners rule companies.

The 1619 project was therefore, in my humble opinion that I can't back up with proof or disprove because I don't have access to their internal emails, an effort to spread such efforts to the population at large, thus outsourcing the union busting and pushing the cost thereof off onto things like schools and so forth that are supported by taxpayers already.

Now notably, I just thought this up and it's based on what I've seen of the corporate media and how it's treated things, along with the information about how corporations are abusing this sort of ideology for their own monetary gain. I could be completely wrong. And you'd be right to deny and say I have no proof.

But it is my opinion at this moment.

[The Reformed American Republic]

My school did as well. It was so extreme that even the left-wingers found it much.

No it didn't.

Nice to know you were there. Yes, "white fragility" and the like was mocked and yes, it was so over the top even left wingers found it much.

[Vassenor]

they're not
hell, the origin of the CRT craze on the right has both admitted that this is a propaganda effort to rebrand anything and everything related to race with a term that scares people as well as not actually caring about the academic arguments propagated by CRT
why anyone sees this as anything to do with the academic ideas of CRT and not an attack on teachings of racial history that aren't friendly to the conservative narrative of american exceptionalism is just evidence of how well its worked

and nothing gives their shenanigans the veneer of credibility like leftist demagogues like Vass, who slander anyone who doesn't buy CRT dogma as racist.

OK, show the class where I actually said that, rather than just you wishing I'd said that because it's easier to argue against.

[Immortan Khan]

Remind me what the point of the 1619 project was again?

So, I can't prove it, but I have *really* hot take on this.

I remember when some people were criticizing it for ignoring indigenous history and perspective and Nikole Hannah-Jones immediately went for the "Some of the tribes owned slaves" angle before quickly deleting that tweet. How anyone can take it seriously at this point is beyond me.

[Kowani]

No it didn't.

Nice to know you were there. Yes, "white fragility" and the like was mocked and yes, it was so over the top even left wingers found it much.

white fragility is a very shitty book (and the sequel is not any better) but it is largely just a very successful grift for corporate HR departments which want to feel anti-racist without actually doing anything to help anyone
though in fairness to a point gallo's made, the book is very clearly actively harmful to actual racial justice

[The Black Forrest]

Nice to know you were there. Yes, "white fragility" and the like was mocked and yes, it was so over the top even left wingers found it much.

white fragility is a very shitty book (and the sequel is not any better) but it is largely just a very successful grift for corporate HR departments which want to feel anti-racist without actually doing anything to help anyone
though in fairness to a point gallo's made, the book is very clearly actively harmful to actual racial justice

An HR department that doesn’t want to do anything….I am shocked.

[The Black Forrest]

Well, it is Summer so shoot your shot.

So one of the things I learned several years ago is that corporate diversity training is not, actually, designed to increase or celebrate diversity, but in fact designed to increase racial tension because it's effective at union busting when workers see each other as different instead of on the same side. It's a capitalist divide and conquer thing.

I assert that the New York Times, among other large capitalist news outlets (Fox, Washington Post, etc) tend to do what their capitalist owners tell them. Because owners rule companies.

Hmmm? Well? I have worked companies who had unions and didn’t have unions. I missed that message. In the early days; people thought it was more about the company protecting its ass from racial suits.

The 1619 project was therefore, in my humble opinion that I can't back up with proof or disprove because I don't have access to their internal emails, an effort to spread such efforts to the population at large, thus outsourcing the union busting and pushing the cost thereof off onto things like schools and so forth that are supported by taxpayers already.

I have to admit I have not looked at 1619 in great detail. The basic imagery I get is that it points out our “dirty laundry” which of course drives the MAGA crowd crazy.

Now notably, I just thought this up and it's based on what I've seen of the corporate media and how it's treated things, along with the information about how corporations are abusing this sort of ideology for their own monetary gain. I could be completely wrong. And you'd be right to deny and say I have no proof.

But it is my opinion at this moment.

[Galloism]

So one of the things I learned several years ago is that corporate diversity training is not, actually, designed to increase or celebrate diversity, but in fact designed to increase racial tension because it's effective at union busting when workers see each other as different instead of on the same side. It's a capitalist divide and conquer thing.

I assert that the New York Times, among other large capitalist news outlets (Fox, Washington Post, etc) tend to do what their capitalist owners tell them. Because owners rule companies.

Hmmm? Well? I have worked companies who had unions and didn’t have unions. I missed that message. In the early days; people thought it was more about the company protecting its ass from racial suits.

It was intended for you to miss that explicit message. Because the message is that your coworkers are different than you and not on the same side/same group (IE, you're of different races one oppressing the other, instead of a combined class group be oppressed by capital: labor). This is intended to make it harder to seek redress as a unified front.

The 1619 project was therefore, in my humble opinion that I can't back up with proof or disprove because I don't have access to their internal emails, an effort to spread such efforts to the population at large, thus outsourcing the union busting and pushing the cost thereof off onto things like schools and so forth that are supported by taxpayers already.

I have to admit I have not looked at 1619 in great detail. The basic imagery I get is that it points out our “dirty laundry” which of course drives the MAGA crowd crazy.

It makes several rather substantial historical lies and a few good points about things.

Notably, it was criticized by actual historians for its inaccuracy, and they refused to change it because they are "not historians". Which is all we really need to know to chuck it in the trash when it comes to teaching history.

[Kowani]

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[The Black Forrest]

Hmmm? Well? I have worked companies who had unions and didn’t have unions. I missed that message. In the early days; people thought it was more about the company protecting its ass from racial suits.

It was intended for you to miss that explicit message. Because the message is that your coworkers are different than you and not on the same side/same group (IE, you're of different races one oppressing the other, instead of a combined class group be oppressed by capital: labor). This is intended to make it harder to seek redress as a unified front.

Well? It may have been we tuned out then. Might have been we weren’t the target audience either being hitech and salaried.

I have to admit I have not looked at 1619 in great detail. The basic imagery I get is that it points out our “dirty laundry” which of course drives the MAGA crowd crazy.

It makes several rather substantial historical lies and a few good points about things.

Notably, it was criticized by actual historians for its inaccuracy, and they refused to change it because they are "not historians". Which is all we really need to know to chuck it in the trash when it comes to teaching history.

Do you remember a couple of the lies? A quick google only gave a few stories of historians disagree and didn’t have any examples on what…mainly political talk….

[Galloism]

It was intended for you to miss that explicit message. Because the message is that your coworkers are different than you and not on the same side/same group (IE, you're of different races one oppressing the other, instead of a combined class group be oppressed by capital: labor). This is intended to make it harder to seek redress as a unified front.

Well? It may have been we tuned out then. Might have been we weren’t the target audience either being hitech and salaried.

It makes several rather substantial historical lies and a few good points about things.

Notably, it was criticized by actual historians for its inaccuracy, and they refused to change it because they are "not historians". Which is all we really need to know to chuck it in the trash when it comes to teaching history.

Do you remember a couple of the lies? A quick google only gave a few stories of historians disagree and didn’t have any examples on what…mainly political talk….

The big one I remember is that the revolutionary war started because Britain was starting to outlaw slavery and the US didn't want to give up slavery, so they revolted against the British to keep their slaves.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Well? It may have been we tuned out then. Might have been we weren’t the target audience either being hitech and salaried.



Do you remember a couple of the lies? A quick google only gave a few stories of historians disagree and didn’t have any examples on what…mainly political talk….

The big one I remember is that the revolutionary war started because Britain was starting to outlaw slavery and the US didn't want to give up slavery, so they revolted against the British to keep their slaves.

If I remember, their claim wasn't quite so strong.

[The Black Forrest]

Well? It may have been we tuned out then. Might have been we weren’t the target audience either being hitech and salaried.



Do you remember a couple of the lies? A quick google only gave a few stories of historians disagree and didn’t have any examples on what…mainly political talk….

The big one I remember is that the revolutionary war started because Britain was starting to outlaw slavery and the US didn't want to give up slavery, so they revolted against the British to keep their slaves.

Wow. If that’s the case; yea it’s got problems…..over slavery…..bit of a stretch considering they officially ended it in 1833…….

[Genivaria]

Well? It may have been we tuned out then. Might have been we weren’t the target audience either being hitech and salaried.



Do you remember a couple of the lies? A quick google only gave a few stories of historians disagree and didn’t have any examples on what…mainly political talk….

The big one I remember is that the revolutionary war started because Britain was starting to outlaw slavery and the US didn't want to give up slavery, so they revolted against the British to keep their slaves.

I mean idk about the American one but that's at least part of the reason for the Texas war of indeed against Mexico.

[Fauzjhia]

Well? It may have been we tuned out then. Might have been we weren’t the target audience either being hitech and salaried.



Do you remember a couple of the lies? A quick google only gave a few stories of historians disagree and didn’t have any examples on what…mainly political talk….

The big one I remember is that the revolutionary war started because Britain was starting to outlaw slavery and the US didn't want to give up slavery, so they revolted against the British to keep their slaves.

Its all here. (if you actually read it)
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... ake-122248
We know its not truth, because those law did not apply to British, while Slavery was illegal in Britain, it was legal in british colony for more then 60 years.. Man the British have been hypocrites...
however, the author also claim that you cannot discredit the idea that Racism and Slavery were central to USA history, even if you point the inaccuracies.
so saying the American History has not been tainted by racism, would still be a lie.

[The Black Forrest]

The big one I remember is that the revolutionary war started because Britain was starting to outlaw slavery and the US didn't want to give up slavery, so they revolted against the British to keep their slaves.

If I remember, their claim wasn't quite so strong.

They were stretching things a bit. As this guy said it’s a much more complicated issue.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... ake-122248

[San Lumen]

https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2021/0 ... -governor/

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