Trump isn't your populist hero, he's a fraud.
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by Greater Cesnica » Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:53 pm
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by 503 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:01 pm
by 503 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:03 pm
Yeerosland wrote:Major-Tom wrote:
You're not going to convince this guy, he's either pulling our legs or just deep down that rabbithole.
Like Pooh Bear. He ate too much of Rabbit's food and couldn't get back out the hole.
In the story, Piglet has to stay on the outside of the hole and keep Pooh company until he loses weight. But Piglet also has to stand guard so no-one succumbs to Pooh's complaints that he's hungry!
(It's been a while, I might have mangled the story somewhat)
by Comerciante » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:07 pm
by Warriors of Truth » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:14 pm
Yeerosland wrote:503 wrote:
A fraud you may call him, but he's no more a fraud than many other presidents.
My definition of a "fraud" is someone who pretends to have skills or knowledge they don't really have. Trump qualifies.
Obama at least knew the constitution, interpretations and precedents. Trump skipped to the Bill of Rights. Nobody needs to know that stuff about electoral process, and anyway the White House surely has lawyers for that stuff ...
by Warriors of Truth » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:17 pm
Yeerosland wrote:
By some definition of '"legal"' that doesn't involve the Constitution, state or federal law, State governments, Electors, the Electoral College, appellant Courts including SCOTUS, or the whole US Congress?
I'll give you legal terms: IF mr. Trump really was elected a second time, last year, then mr. Trump will be ineligible to be elected in 2024. The wording of the 22nd Amendment is quite clear:Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. [etc]
So perhaps you have some explanation for how mr. Trump can "legally" be the President, without having been legally elected last year?
by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:12 pm
Yeerosland wrote:-snip-
by Northern Socialist Council Republics » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:16 pm
by Rusozak » Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:05 pm
Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:The main difference between Trump and the previous US Presidents is that when other Presidents were caught flat-out lying about basic verifiable facts, they were usually quite embarrassed about it and often tried to make strange and esoteric arguments to the press about how their words didn’t actually mean what they patently meant.
Trump, rather less so. His stance is that if what he said doesn’t agree with basic verifiable facts then the facts must be wrong.
His campaign and presidency created a social atmosphere in which it is considered quite normal for differences in opinions to extend to basic verifiable facts. Consider the stance that some posters, of which the most prominent is the Greater Miami States, has repeatedly expressed: the liberals have their basic liberal “facts”, so the conservatives will have their basic conservative “facts”, and this is a desirable state of affairs and how a pluralist democracy is supposed to work.
Trump’s run in high politics have eroded the citizenry’s desire to have a single set of agreed-upon basic verifiable reality. The impact of this will likely last decades, far longer than any of his actual policies, and is in fact what I would consider to be his true legacy.
I have argued against Washington with the claim that Washington wasn’t the greatest President that the US had ever had. For Trump, I will make the argument that any list of contenders that includes him is flawed.
by Punished UMN » Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:16 pm
by The Reformed American Republic » Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:57 pm
by Punished UMN » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:00 pm
by The Reformed American Republic » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:07 pm
Punished UMN wrote:thinking that I unironically like Xi Jinping?
by Punished UMN » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:08 pm
by Punished UMN » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:09 pm
by Kowani » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:13 pm
by Meretica » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:13 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Meretica wrote:I think that given the time, it is important to take note of the difference between "internment camp" and "concentration camp."
The term "concentration camp" existed before the Holocaust. Also, most of the killing in the Holocaust was not done at concentration camps but extermination centers. There was a significant difference, the former was meant primarily for the extraction of labor, and deaths at them were primarily due to overwork and medical neglect rather than direct intervention by the murderers; however, the latter (while they often had concentration camps attached to them for prisoners who were deemed economically suitable) were camps which were designed solely for the extermination of human beings, such as Auschwitz. It was these camps that were equipped with gas chambers and enormous crematoria. Of course, large numbers of people died at both, but the distinction is important. I digress though, the point is that internment camps and concentration camps aren't that different in terms of the definition of the terms, especially when you are interning people in them without due process.
by Punished UMN » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:15 pm
by Kowani » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:19 pm
by Punished UMN » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:20 pm
Cailona wrote:TRUMPTRUEPOTUS!
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