Who Now Remembers the Armenians?

[Punished UMN]

The first paragraph is pretty one-sided. You can't mention Shusha and what Azerbaijan did in the war there last year without mentioning what Armenia did in the war there in the 1990's:

With the start of the First Nagorno-Karabakh War in 1988 Shusha became the most important Azerbaijani stronghold in Karabakh, from where Azerbaijani forces constantly shelled the capital Stepanakert. On May 9, 1992, the town was captured by Armenian forces and the Azerbaijani population fled.[91] According to Armenian commander Arkady Ter-Tadevosyan, the city was looted and burnt by Armenian citizens from nearby Stepanakert, who had endured months of bombing and shelling from Azerbaijani forces. He also noted it was part of a Karabakh Armenian superstition of burning houses to prevent the enemy from returning.[92] According to Azerbaijani sources, 193 Azerbaijani civilians were massacred.[93] As of 2002, ten years later after the city's capture by the Armenian forces, some 80% of the town was in ruins.[94] Armenians also dismantled and sold off historic dark bronze busts of three Azerbaijani musicians and poets from Shusha.[95]

After the end of the war, the town was repopulated by Armenians, mostly refugees from Azerbaijan and other parts of Karabakh, as well as members of the Armenian diaspora. The population of the town was barely half of the pre-war number, and the demographic of the town had changed from mostly Azerbaijani to completely Armenian. The Goris-Stepanakert Highway passes through the town and is a transit and tourist destination for many. There were some hotels in the city, and the Ghazanchetsots Cathedral was restored.

Shusha being an Armenian city was actually part of an ethnic cleansing effort on the part of the Armenian Army. Further Azeri aggression isn't good, and they ought to be satisfied with their gains, but you keep promoting this idea that they have literally no legitimate interests or grievances in the region and that the Armenians are merely victims and not active participants in the ethnic conflicts in the region, this is naiive. Obviously the Azeris are also at fault, but the way you talk about it is so one-sided as to almost deny the significance of any Armenian actions which are equivalent to the Azeri actions.

[Dowaesk]

Hakinda. Lemme just tell you. Blaming everything on what you refer to as "Islamists" isnt going to get you anywhere. By this point you're famous on NSG as "The Hakinda", so Im just saying, your usual tactics aren't going to help you. So you might as well make some viable points instead of the usual..... Hakinda stuff.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Hakinda. Lemme just tell you. Blaming everything on what you refer to as "Islamists" isnt going to get you anywhere. By this point you're famous on NSG as "The Hakinda", so Im just saying, your usual tactics aren't going to help you. So you might as well make some viable points instead of the usual..... Hakinda stuff.

I am saying what I know, completely impartially Unfortunately, those in power politicize most issues with religion. The situation of Armenians in Turkey is very good, but like every other citizen, they are in economic distress. If we talk about Turkey today, it would not be wrong to say that there are racist attacks against the Kurdish people. It is politics that has become religious that causes all of the problems I have mentioned. It would not be wrong to say that there is a similar situation in Armenia. Turks and Armenians are two very similar societies belonging to two different religions. Only the people of the region should sit and think why the welfare rate of the European Union is higher than that of the region.
Hes making a statement as if being Armenian is a bad thing

[Great Brytain and Ireland]

Armenia is not yet lost, but its time is limited. It’s unfortunate that only a miracle can help them survive the next century if the rogue state of Arran* isn’t put down.

* true name of """ Azerbaijan"""

[Kubra]

Today in Shushi, a city formally in the Republic of Artsakh before the Azeri invasion and expulsion of it's population last year, President's of Azerbaijan and Tukrey Aliyev and Erdogan meet to finalise a military alliance and finalise plans for the destruction of Armenia. The press conference in question contained mostly what you'd expect, lies about the war, lies about Artsakh administration of the city destroyed in the war, lies about destruction of Armenian cultural artefacts as a rebuilding effort, and lies that Armenia is the aggressor.

These lies are normal and sadly expected. The much more damning point is a call for construction through a 'Zangezur corridor'. For those who don't know which I can assume will be most of you Zangezur refers to the Syunik Province in Armenian, that region between the Karabakh and Nakhchivan. And before anyone thinks this is just peaceful calls for connection with an Azeri exclave, Azerbaijan has already invaded Armenia. Azerbaijan invaded into Lake Sev in Syunik only in May, continued clashes along the whole border have continued since then. The world continues to abandon the Armenia to their destruction while powerful dictatorships surrounding them circle above, waiting for their death.

Thanks to a general translation of events from the press conference by Cavid Ağa https://twitter.com/cavidaga/status/1404773233237409796
General rule for those new to the region don't trust Turkish sources except as general confirmation https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/dip ... ted-shusha

Your definition of the Azerbaijani army as an invader shows that your knowledge of the region is weak. The Armenian occupation mentality has to comply with the decision of the United Nations. Erdogan's aim is not to destroy Armenia, he only thinks about his own interests, not the Armenian or Turkish people. In addition, your information regarding the agreement is incorrect, a safe corridor will be created and the Azerbaijani people will be able to freely cross into Nakhchivan territory. We know that before the agreement, cars with Azerbaijan license plates were taken under fire by Armenian soldiers. Yes, do not trust the morning newspaper. because it is a newspaper that propagates political Islam. I see it as proof of your racist mentality because you keep all Turkish media inside when you say don't trust Turkish sources. According to you, the most reliable newspaper is the newspaper published by the racist dashnak party. You are no different from political Islam and its supporter newspapers. The supporters of the Dashnak party and the political Islamist sect are the same, so they cannot think of the rights of the Armenian people, the only thing they think is the policy of enmity.

List of newspapers that can be trusted in Turkish media.I am also sure that there are fearless journalists in the Armenian media that you can trust.
https://www.sozcu.com.tr/
https://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/
https://www.korkusuz.com.tr/

you heard it here first folks, the pro-AKP paper is actually an Armenian nationalist front.

[Atheris]

Armenia is not yet lost, but its time is limited. It’s unfortunate that only a miracle can help them survive the next century if the rogue state of Arran* isn’t put down.

* true name of """ Azerbaijan"""

No, Arran's an island off the coast of Scotland.

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Guys, "who now remembers the Armenians?" was originally used by the Nazis to justify the Holocaust - if the Young Truks could get away with a genocide, so could the far-right Germans - was their line of thought.

Is OP implying that Turkey and Azerbaijan are conspiring to commit another genocide?

If anyone's curious about the actual quote:

Our strength consists in our speed and in our brutality. Genghis Khan led millions of women and children to slaughter – with premeditation and a happy heart. History sees in him solely the founder of a state. It's a matter of indifference to me what a weak western European civilization will say about me. I have issued the command – and I'll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad – that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formation in readiness – for the present only in the East – with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the Lebensraum which we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?

(bolded for emphasis)

[Salus Maior]

General reminder to anyone new that Hakinda is a Turkish Ultranationalist who support any and all aggression against Armenians for the crime of being Armenian.

Having experience with Hakinda, I can back this up as being true.

[Salus Maior]

Further Azeri aggression isn't good, and they ought to be satisfied with their gains...

Because as we all know, Turks are well known for their moderation and restraint when it comes to territorial gain, and violence against Armenians.

[Rusozak]

And it took... 4 posts for an anti-Armenian advocate to pop up. Stay classy NSG.

[Kowani]

And it took... 4 posts for an anti-Armenian advocate to pop up. Stay classy NSG.

to be fair
hakinda's like the turkish sai, only he's not honest about it (or he's tricked himself, who knows)

[Kubra]

And it took... 4 posts for an anti-Armenian advocate to pop up. Stay classy NSG.

to be fair
hakinda's like the turkish sai, only he's not honest about it (or he's tricked himself, who knows)

the next Armenian election is really gonna show what his "social democratic" convictions amount to.

[Salus Maior]

to be fair
hakinda's like the turkish sai, only he's not honest about it (or he's tricked himself, who knows)

the next Armenian election is really gonna show what his "social democratic" convictions amount to.

You mean Turkey?

[Side 3]

And it took... 4 posts for an anti-Armenian advocate to pop up. Stay classy NSG.

People like Hakinda make it very difficult to point out Armenia's actual flaws without sounding like a Turkish nationalist. A lot of people seem to skirt around the fact that Armenia celebrated their own genocide of the Azeris, and during the recent war launched rockets at civilian targets. Now, that doesn't mean the average Armenian should thus in turn be killed by the Azeris, but it does mean that we shouldn't be so quick to defend the Armenian government. Hell, I'd even go as far as to say that if the tables were turned, the Armenian government would be trying to do exactly what the Azeri government is trying to do now.

[Heloin]

the next Armenian election is really gonna show what his "social democratic" convictions amount to.

You mean Turkey?

The Armenian election is on sunday and the Dashnaks and Reborn Armenia, who are both generally considered somewhere between socialists, social democrats, and social capitalists, looks most likely to win at the moment.

[Kubra]

the next Armenian election is really gonna show what his "social democratic" convictions amount to.

You mean Turkey?

no, Armenia, because it's probably going to result in "social democrats" gaining seats in the Armenian parliament.

[Salus Maior]

And it took... 4 posts for an anti-Armenian advocate to pop up. Stay classy NSG.

People like Hakinda make it very difficult to point out Armenia's actual flaws without sounding like a Turkish nationalist. A lot of people seem to skirt around the fact that Armenia celebrated their own genocide of the Azeris, and during the recent war launched rockets at civilian targets. Now, that doesn't mean the average Armenian should thus in turn be killed by the Azeris, but it does mean that we shouldn't be so quick to defend the Armenian government. Hell, I'd even go as far as to say that if the tables were turned, the Armenian government would be trying to do exactly what the Azeri government is trying to do now.

Considering the Azeri government has blatantly lied before, I have no reason to trust what you've linked is what they say it is.

[Side 3]

Considering the Azeri government has blatantly lied before, I have no reason to trust what you've linked.

Here is a National Geographic article on it. It's not fake. This is exactly my point though. You can't make a legitimate criticism of Armenia without seeming like you're trying to simp for Azerbaijan.

[Salus Maior]

Considering the Azeri government has blatantly lied before, I have no reason to trust what you've linked.

Here is a National Geographic article on it. It's not fake. This is exactly my point though. You can't make a legitimate criticism of Armenia without seeming like you're trying to simp for Azerbaijan.

You could have sourced that first and you wouldn't have had the problem.

[Side 3]

Here is a National Geographic article on it. It's not fake. This is exactly my point though. You can't make a legitimate criticism of Armenia without seeming like you're trying to simp for Azerbaijan.

You could have sourced that first and you wouldn't have had the problem.

So, because I linked to their side of the story, you just assumed, what? That they decided to make their own wall, get a 90's era camera, and upload it to a Twitter account linked to their Lithuanian embassy as a hoax? Come on dude, that's Hakinda level logic.

[Salus Maior]

You could have sourced that first and you wouldn't have had the problem.

So, because I linked to their side of the story, you just assumed, what? That they decided to make their own wall, get a 90's era camera, and upload it to a Twitter account linked to their Lithuanian embassy as a hoax? Come on dude, that's Hakinda level logic.

They've fabricated stuff before. It would be Hakinda level logic to deny also the Nat-Geo article too and then rant about how science will prevail over religion.

Better to stick with what's clearly neutral.

[Sungoldy-China]

After Russia loses power, Armenians will only continue to exist like this,
Russia’s power is not enough to drive Turkey away,So Russia tolerated Azerbaijan’s aggressiveness to prevent Azerbaijan following Turkey,
However, due to the historical grievances between Armenia and Turkey, Turkey will only choose to support Azerbaijan.
As for the United States? America and Europe are busy dealing with China.

Armenia relied on the strength of the Soviet Union to defeat Azerbaijan, because the Soviet Union had an incomparable strength advantage over Turkey. As long as the Soviet Union supported Armenia, it would be able to keep Turkey out of the door. Russia cannot do this now.

[Salus Maior]

After Russia loses power, Armenians will only continue to exist like this,
Russia’s power is not enough to drive Turkey away,So Russia tolerated Azerbaijan’s aggressiveness to prevent Azerbaijan following Turkey,
However, due to the historical grievances between Armenia and Turkey, Turkey will only choose to support Azerbaijan.
As for the United States? America and Europe are busy dealing with China.

Armenia relied on the strength of the Soviet Union to defeat Azerbaijan, because the Soviet Union had an incomparable strength advantage over Turkey. As long as the Soviet Union supported Armenia, it would be able to keep Turkey out of the door. Russia cannot do this now.

....Both Armenia and Azerbaijan were in the Soviet Union.

[Atheris]

After Russia loses power, Armenians will only continue to exist like this,
Russia’s power is not enough to drive Turkey away,So Russia tolerated Azerbaijan’s aggressiveness to prevent Azerbaijan following Turkey,
However, due to the historical grievances between Armenia and Turkey, Turkey will only choose to support Azerbaijan.
As for the United States? America and Europe are busy dealing with China.

Armenia relied on the strength of the Soviet Union to defeat Azerbaijan, because the Soviet Union had an incomparable strength advantage over Turkey. As long as the Soviet Union supported Armenia, it would be able to keep Turkey out of the door. Russia cannot do this now.

....Both Armenia and Azerbaijan were in the Soviet Union.

I think he's referring to the first Nagorno-Karabakh War, which started in 1988 while both countries were still a part of the USSR.

The thing is? The USSR actually supported Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan actually remained a part of the USSR (the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic ratified the 1991 New Union treaty; Armenia declared independence in 1990).

"Until the dissolution of the USSR, the Soviet authorities sided, in general, with Azerbaijan. ... Soviet troops sent to the conflict area ... on numerous occasions, took the side of the Azerbaijani forces to 'punish' the Armenians for raising the NK issue."[7] "Soviet troops have been in Nagorno-Karabakh for 2+1⁄2 years ... The troops support armed Azerbaijani militias who have imposed a blockade of the region ..."[8] Soviet troops directly intervened during Operation Ring in April–May 1991 on the Azerbaijani side.[9][10]

[Major-Tom]

It's disappointing that the US hasn't taken a stronger stance primarily because they're afraid of one of two things;

(A. Antagonizing Turkey again.
(B. Appearing Pro-Russian because Armenia typically receives more support from Russia than almost all other world powers.

EIther way, the Armenian cause as of now is a worthy one.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Your definition of the Azerbaijani army as an invader shows that your knowledge of the region is weak. The Armenian occupation mentality has to comply with the decision of the United Nations. Erdogan's aim is not to destroy Armenia, he only thinks about his own interests, not the Armenian or Turkish people. In addition, your information regarding the agreement is incorrect, a safe corridor will be created and the Azerbaijani people will be able to freely cross into Nakhchivan territory. We know that before the agreement, cars with Azerbaijan license plates were taken under fire by Armenian soldiers. Yes, do not trust the morning newspaper. because it is a newspaper that propagates political Islam. I see it as proof of your racist mentality because you keep all Turkish media inside when you say don't trust Turkish sources. According to you, the most reliable newspaper is the newspaper published by the racist dashnak party. You are no different from political Islam and its supporter newspapers. The supporters of the Dashnak party and the political Islamist sect are the same, so they cannot think of the rights of the Armenian people, the only thing they think is the policy of enmity.

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List of newspapers that can be trusted in Turkish media.I am also sure that there are fearless journalists in the Armenian media that you can trust.
https://www.sozcu.com.tr/
https://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/
https://www.korkusuz.com.tr/

you heard it here first folks, the pro-AKP paper is actually an Armenian nationalist front.

Yes, it is, because the media outlets of both sides only harm the people of the region with vindictive and hate speeches. The fact that the Dashnak party is Christian does not mean that it is right, racism has no nation. Our future is to walk the road with the European Union. The person who opened the subject said that all Turkish media are unreliable. This attitude is a racist attitude, a symptom of Turkish phobia. just like people in Turkey with Armenian phobia. Elections are approaching in Turkey, political Islamist racist parties will no longer find a place in the public eye