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In London, Ontario, 20 year-old “Christian terrorist” named Nathanial Veltman drove a black truck into a Muslim family. He killed all of them except for one, a 9 year old named Fayez Afzaal, who was hospitalized due to the attack. Veltman was subsequently arrested and charged with four counts of first degree murder and one count of attempted murder. The police deputy inspector for London said “there is evidence that this was a planned, premeditated act and that the family was targeted because of their Muslim faith”. The incident is forcing Canadians to face the fact the country is full of increasing anti-Muslim rhetoric, as some say the country is becoming desensitized to violence against Muslims. Leader of the NDP, Jagmeet Singh, said Canada has a history “of racism, of violence, of genocide of Indigenous people, and our country is a place where Muslims aren’t safe.”

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https://globalnews.ca/video/7931135/thi ... ont-attack
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp

Yeah I heard about that yesterday, really heatbreaking And poor boy, losing all his family at 9... no child should ever suffer like that.

The raise of extreme-right violence all around the world, USA, Norway NZ, France, Canada is really scary to witness. And all the fear-mongers and hate-mongers in TV and social network share a responsibility in the tragedies.

Targeting a family? What kind of man does this shit?

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Targeting a family? What kind of man does this shit?

/pol/

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Targeting a family? What kind of man does this shit?

Fascists ? But yeah

Kilobugya wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Targeting a family? What kind of man does this shit?

Fascists ? But yeah

All this hate just because they had darker skin and different clothes.

Kilobugya wrote:The raise of extreme-right violence all around the world, USA, Norway NZ, France, Canada is really scary to witness.

What's also pretty scary is that an entire summer of leftist violence in the U.S. was either ignored, under-reported or outright cheered on by the worlds media.

Austreylia wrote:What's also pretty scary is that an entire summer of leftist violence in the U.S. was either ignored, under-reported or outright cheered on by the worlds media.

Black people (and their allies) no longer wanting to be killed by the police isn't "leftist violence".

Kilobugya wrote:

Austreylia wrote:What's also pretty scary is that an entire summer of leftist violence in the U.S. was either ignored, under-reported or outright cheered on by the worlds media.

Black people (and their allies) no longer wanting to be killed by the police isn't "leftist violence".

Hmm. Looting, vandalism, attacking buildings, attacking cars and setting fire to things sounds pretty violent to me.

Austreylia wrote:Hmm. Looting, vandalism, attacking buildings, attacking cars and setting fire to things sounds pretty violent to me.

Those only happened in a very small minority of protests, often wasn't done by "leftist" but by people just taking advantage of the situation, and sometimes even provoked by the police attempting to brutally suppress peaceful protests. The number of violent acts actually done by "lefist protesters" are very very small.

But that's not the subject of the thread. It's really disgusting that your reaction to someone killing voluntarily a whole family and letting a 9 years old boy with all family wiped out is "but BLM violence !"

Austreylia wrote:

Kilobugya wrote:The raise of extreme-right violence all around the world, USA, Norway NZ, France, Canada is really scary to witness.

What's also pretty scary is that an entire summer of leftist violence in the U.S. was either ignored, under-reported or outright cheered on by the worlds media.

Oh hey, not even ten posts in before someone screams BUT BLM in an entirely unrelated thread. New record?

Austreylia wrote:

Kilobugya wrote:The raise of extreme-right violence all around the world, USA, Norway NZ, France, Canada is really scary to witness.

What's also pretty scary is that an entire summer of leftist violence in the U.S. was either ignored, under-reported or outright cheered on by the worlds media.

You mean the summer of violence where most of the killings were done by right wingers with cars? My guy, the FBI stats don't lie, left wing violence just ain't the same danger as right violence, and when an organization dedicated to fucking with left wingers says as much, it speaks volumes.

Absolutely heartbreaking; what makes it more disturbing is how planned and targeted it apparently was.

Also guessing that I may be in for 8 pages of baseless claims of white supremacy for not 100% agreeing with anyone who rightly or wrongly uses this event as a political soapbox....

Kilobugya wrote:.

But that's not the subject of the thread. It's really disgusting that your reaction to someone killing voluntarily a whole family and letting a 9 years old boy with all family wiped out is "but BLM violence !"

Tell that to Jagmeet Singh.

Austreylia wrote:

Kilobugya wrote:
Black people (and their allies) no longer wanting to be killed by the police isn't "leftist violence".

Hmm. Looting, vandalism, attacking buildings, attacking cars and setting fire to things sounds pretty violent to me.

93% of BLM protests were peaceful. The other 7% were largely instigated by the police.

SD_Film Artists wrote:Absolutely heartbreaking; what makes it more disturbing is how planned and targeted it apparently was.

Also guessing that I may be in for 8 pages of baseless claims of white supremacy for not 100% agreeing with anyone who rightly or wrongly uses this event as a political soapbox....

Kilobugya wrote:.

But that's not the subject of the thread. It's really disgusting that your reaction to someone killing voluntarily a whole family and letting a 9 years old boy with all family wiped out is "but BLM violence !"

Tell that to Jagmeet Singh.

All Singh said was Canada has a history of racism. I think the recent discovery of 200+ Native American children buried in a mass grave under a school designed to force them to become Christian and abandon their native culture might be evidence racism has long been quite prevalent in the country...

Kilobugya wrote:Those only happened in a very small minority of protests"

A small minority of protests that caused billions of dollars in damage.

Insaanistan wrote:

Austreylia wrote:Hmm. Looting, vandalism, attacking buildings, attacking cars and setting fire to things sounds pretty violent to me.

93% of BLM protests were peaceful. The other 7% were largely instigated by the police.

No, the police didn't instigate the vandalism, looting and arson. That was all rioters.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:My guy, the FBI stats don't lie,

Oh, we're talking about FBI statistics?

Insaanistan wrote:

SD_Film Artists wrote:Absolutely heartbreaking; what makes it more disturbing is how planned and targeted it apparently was.

Also guessing that I may be in for 8 pages of baseless claims of white supremacy for not 100% agreeing with anyone who rightly or wrongly uses this event as a political soapbox....



Tell that to Jagmeet Singh.

All Singh said was Canada has a history of racism. I think the recent discovery of 200+ Native American children buried in a mass grave under a school designed to force them to become Christian and abandon their native culture might be evidence racism has long been quite prevalent in the country...

I thought he was going for the old 'country in the 1800s had 1800s values, Le gasp!' line. If he was refering to the 'school' (I use that word loosely) system with its worst excesses in the 70's then that does qualify as modern history; it's possible but not certain that the perpetrator was inspired by hate against indigenous groups, ie his motives; not that purely anti-muslim hate would make it better.

I lived abroad for about a decade or so, and one thing that my parents have always emphasised morning after morning as they sent me off to school is that we should do our level best to "fit in" because when the going gets hard, it's always the outsider that gets burnt up as a scapegoat, and if you look visibly different from the local population then it is not difficult for someone to make you that outsider. The rise in political violence, not in the less stable regions of the world but in the heart of our liberal-democratic bloc of countries, has brought me to the realisation of just how much truth was in those words. I can barely imagine what it would be like to be that visibly different outsider and a scapegoat... in your own home country.

There's this line of reasoning that goes that there is something wrong about society, therefore there must be bad people making it wrong, and therefore we must hurt the bad people. It's self-defeating, inhumane, and has created far more problems than it has ever fixed. And yet the reasoning persists...

Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:I lived abroad for about a decade or so, and one thing that my parents have always emphasised morning after morning as they sent me off to school is that we should do our level best to "fit in" because when the going gets hard, it's always the outsider that gets burnt up as a scapegoat, and if you look visibly different from the local population then it is not difficult for someone to make you that outsider. The rise in political violence, not in the less stable regions of the world but in the heart of our liberal-democratic bloc of countries, has brought me to the realisation of just how much truth was in those words. I can barely imagine what it would be like to be that visibly different outsider and a scapegoat... in your own home country.

There's this line of reasoning that goes that there is something wrong about society, therefore there must be bad people making it wrong, and therefore we must hurt the bad people. It's self-defeating, inhumane, and has created far more problems than it has ever fixed. And yet the reasoning persists...

I tell ya what, I get a lot better treatment now that my coats are wool with bone toggle's instead of threadbare m65 imitations.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Targeting a family? What kind of man does this shit?

An asshole, a headcase, and fucked up in the head person, a terrorist?

Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:I lived abroad for about a decade or so, and one thing that my parents have always emphasised morning after morning as they sent me off to school is that we should do our level best to "fit in" because when the going gets hard, it's always the outsider that gets burnt up as a scapegoat, and if you look visibly different from the local population then it is not difficult for someone to make you that outsider. The rise in political violence, not in the less stable regions of the world but in the heart of our liberal-democratic bloc of countries, has brought me to the realisation of just how much truth was in those words. I can barely imagine what it would be like to be that visibly different outsider and a scapegoat... in your own home country.

There's this line of reasoning that goes that there is something wrong about society, therefore there must be bad people making it wrong, and therefore we must hurt the bad people. It's self-defeating, inhumane, and has created far more problems than it has ever fixed. And yet the reasoning persists...

I've been treated like a foreigner by many a person and the worst thing is technically speaking I was born on US clay.

What evidence is there to indicate that the man was a "Christian" terrorist and not a racial supremacist?

Salus Maior wrote:What evidence is there to indicate that the man was a "Christian" terrorist and not a racial supremacist?

I dont think anyone thinks he did it for Christianity so much as he was probably a nominal Christian. Although who knows, maybe he was an odinist.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:What evidence is there to indicate that the man was a "Christian" terrorist and not a racial supremacist?

I dont think anyone thinks he did it for Christianity so much as he was probably a nominal Christian. Although who knows, maybe he was an odinist.

Insaan seems to think so.

Insaanistan wrote:In London, Ontario, 20 year-old “Christian terrorist”

Salus Maior wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I dont think anyone thinks he did it for Christianity so much as he was probably a nominal Christian. Although who knows, maybe he was an odinist.

Insaan seems to think so.

Insaanistan wrote:In London, Ontario, 20 year-old “Christian terrorist”

I think he was pointing out that the man was probably a Christian and not that he did it for Christianity. Idk he said it so let's see what he meant.