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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:36 pm

Salus Maior wrote:What evidence is there to indicate that the man was a "Christian" terrorist and not a racial supremacist?

Not backing Insaani up but it is mentioned in the article that he is a Christian. However, as Rojava said, his reasons for the attack might as well not related at all with Christianity and more related to the usual White Supremacy thing, considering an article I read before suggested the clothing that he wore has swastikas on it.

The pickup driver was wearing what appeared to be a bullet-proof vest, a military-style helmet and clothing that possibly had swastikas on it, Mr Savehilaghi said the traumatised driver had told him.
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Though it's best if we wait for the official inquiry on his motive(s).

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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:38 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:What evidence is there to indicate that the man was a "Christian" terrorist and not a racial supremacist?

Not backing Insaani up but it is mentioned in the article that he is a Christian. However, as Rojava said, his reasons for the attack might as well not related at all with Christianity and more related to the usual White Supremacy thing, considering an article I read before suggested the clothing that he wore has swastikas on it.

The pickup driver was wearing what appeared to be a bullet-proof vest, a military-style helmet and clothing that possibly had swastikas on it, Mr Savehilaghi said the traumatised driver had told him.
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Though it's best if we wait for the official inquiry on his motive(s).


Then it would be more appropriate to call him a Nazi, or a white nationalist terrorist.
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Postby Rusozak » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:45 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Not backing Insaani up but it is mentioned in the article that he is a Christian. However, as Rojava said, his reasons for the attack might as well not related at all with Christianity and more related to the usual White Supremacy thing, considering an article I read before suggested the clothing that he wore has swastikas on it.



Though it's best if we wait for the official inquiry on his motive(s).


Then it would be more appropriate to call him a Nazi, or a white nationalist terrorist.


I think it was more of a jab at how whenever someone who follows Islam commits a violent act, they're always a "Muslim terrorist" like it's an absolute certainty they were faith-motivated.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:10 pm

Salus Maior wrote:What evidence is there to indicate that the man was a "Christian" terrorist and not a racial supremacist?
The proof is that he is a christian terrorist just like muslim terrorists he is ultra religious. I wonder who will Muslim and Christian extremists see as enemies when we stick the flag of secularism in the heart of Jerusalem. White supremacists or nazis are no different from religious radicals. You will now accept that your era is over and you will experience the freedom that secular laws give you. My condolences to the Muslim family, may Allah make their place heaven.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:18 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:What evidence is there to indicate that the man was a "Christian" terrorist and not a racial supremacist?
The proof is that he is a christian terrorist just like muslim terrorists he is ultra religious. I wonder who will Muslim and Christian extremists see as enemies when we stick the flag of secularism in the heart of Jerusalem. White supremacists or nazis are no different from religious radicals. You will now accept that your era is over and you will experience the freedom that secular laws give you. My condolences to the Muslim family, may Allah make their place heaven.


Provide the evidence that he is "ultra religious".

And there is a massive difference between racial supremacists and religious radicals. Philosophically, ideologically, etc.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:19 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Then it would be more appropriate to call him a Nazi, or a white nationalist terrorist.


I think it was more of a jab at how whenever someone who follows Islam commits a violent act, they're always a "Muslim terrorist" like it's an absolute certainty they were faith-motivated.


That doesn't make it any better.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:26 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The proof is that he is a christian terrorist just like muslim terrorists he is ultra religious. I wonder who will Muslim and Christian extremists see as enemies when we stick the flag of secularism in the heart of Jerusalem. White supremacists or nazis are no different from religious radicals. You will now accept that your era is over and you will experience the freedom that secular laws give you. My condolences to the Muslim family, may Allah make their place heaven.


Provide the evidence that he is "ultra religious".

And there is a massive difference between racial supremacists and religious radicals. Philosophically, ideologically, etc.


Religion and racial supremacy are opposed if anything. All three of the Abrahamic faiths were founded before the concept of race even existed and I do know that Christianity and Islam specifically said "your ethnicity doesn't matter. What matters is if you're part of the creed."
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:36 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Provide the evidence that he is "ultra religious".

And there is a massive difference between racial supremacists and religious radicals. Philosophically, ideologically, etc.


Religion and racial supremacy are opposed if anything. All three of the Abrahamic faiths were founded before the concept of race even existed and I do know that Christianity and Islam specifically said "your ethnicity doesn't matter. What matters is if you're part of the creed."
It doesn't matter if religion is against it, what matters is that the action is implemented by the people. Religious extremists are supremacist and act like Nazis.Salus Maior cannot see this truth unfortunately because Christianity is an uncritical phenomenon for him. The world is becoming secular and societies are blending their cultures with each other, and this strong phenomenon of secularism will destroy the extremist religious Christian thought.
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Postby Just-An-Illusion » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:43 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Religion and racial supremacy are opposed if anything. All three of the Abrahamic faiths were founded before the concept of race even existed and I do know that Christianity and Islam specifically said "your ethnicity doesn't matter. What matters is if you're part of the creed."
It doesn't matter if religion is against it, what matters is that the action is implemented by the people. Religious extremists are supremacist and act like Nazis.Salus Maior cannot see this truth unfortunately because Christianity is an uncritical phenomenon for him. The world is becoming secular and societies are blending their cultures with each other, and this strong phenomenon of secularism will destroy the extremist religious Christian thought.
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Your literally a Ultranationalist that's the same thing as being a Nazi....
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:50 pm

Just-An-Illusion wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote: It doesn't matter if religion is against it, what matters is that the action is implemented by the people. Religious extremists are supremacist and act like Nazis.Salus Maior cannot see this truth unfortunately because Christianity is an uncritical phenomenon for him. The world is becoming secular and societies are blending their cultures with each other, and this strong phenomenon of secularism will destroy the extremist religious Christian thought.
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Your literally a Ultranationalist that's the same thing as being a Nazi....
I'm giving you a reality that will crush your dreams. I'm not an ultranationalist. Ultra-nationalist people look at religious books and murder families. I hope these people get the harshest punishment. furthermore, trials should be in secular courts, not in places where normal people are.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:11 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Religion and racial supremacy are opposed if anything. All three of the Abrahamic faiths were founded before the concept of race even existed and I do know that Christianity and Islam specifically said "your ethnicity doesn't matter. What matters is if you're part of the creed."
It doesn't matter if religion is against it, what matters is that the action is implemented by the people. Religious extremists are supremacist and act like Nazis.Salus Maior cannot see this truth unfortunately because Christianity is an uncritical phenomenon for him. The world is becoming secular and societies are blending their cultures with each other, and this strong phenomenon of secularism will destroy the extremist religious Christian thought.
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Nah, I can be pretty critical towards Christians.

Anyway, if you're not going to provide evidence that this was religiously motivated, then we're just threadjacking.
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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:20 pm

Salus Maior wrote:And there is a massive difference between racial supremacists and religious radicals. Philosophically, ideologically, etc.

Since when has ideological differences prevented “good Christians” from snuggling up against the far right? The racist desire to get rid of the brown people and the Christian desire to get rid of the Muslims have aligned pretty darned well in recent western politics.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:39 pm

Ah, I see we're invoking that double standard again. Since if this had been a Muslim ramming a truck into a random family I somehow doubt you'd all be arguing we shouldn't assume religious motivation.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:51 pm

That poor boy... losing his whole family at nine years old. No child should have to go through that.

The rise in far-right extremism is really very alarming (it is the fastest-growing terrorism threat in the UK and poses a major threat in the US and internationally).
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Postby Kilobugya » Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:57 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:That poor boy... losing his whole family at nine years old. No child should have to go through that.


I said almost word for word the same... of course I'm glad the boy survived but... really... it's so heartbreaking imagining a child going through that... I've a 9 years old niece, and if I try to imagine her losing her parents and siblings my brain just goes "No. I refuse. I strike. I can't. STOP. DON'T. KERNEL PANIC."
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:47 am

Yeerosland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Ah, I see we're invoking that double standard again. Since if this had been a Muslim ramming a truck into a random family I somehow doubt you'd all be arguing we shouldn't assume religious motivation.


Excuse me, I'm arguing the opposite. Anyone with more than role-playing religiosity, has religion as one part of their motivation. The idea of an ideology which doesn't affect a person's choices at all, is one of profound insincerity and lip service. I'm not accusing anyone of that, btw.

How about calling out the poster you do want to argue with, instead of randomly dropping accusations against everyone in the thread?


And how did that particular argument start?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:23 am

Yeerosland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And how did that particular argument start?


I replied to Salus Maior. Mostly because SM's post was recent.


Which started with complaints that people were speculating about religious motivations.

Salus Maior wrote:What evidence is there to indicate that the man was a "Christian" terrorist and not a racial supremacist?
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Postby Austreylia » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:30 am

Yeerosland wrote:Was there a day when four innocent people were killed by leftist violence in the US?

Probably, but there was also a day where nine were killed and dozens were injured by a leftist supporter of antifa.

Generally, leftists feel they don't have to resort to acts of violence such as shootings, bombings and so on. It's because they know that they're supported by most major media outlets, every single social media outlet and most large corporations. Their views are already socially unacceptable to oppose.

They know that they can get their points across via acts such as rioting, looting and arson, and that the news/social media outlets/corporations will either not condemn them at all or will actually cheer them on.
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Postby Austreylia » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:49 am

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Austreylia wrote:Probably, but there was also a day where nine were killed and dozens were injured by a leftist supporter of antifa.


Are you talking about Aaron Danielson? Or some other "nine" people who all died in one incident?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Dayton_shooting

Just these "nine" people.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:56 am

Rusozak wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Then it would be more appropriate to call him a Nazi, or a white nationalist terrorist.


I think it was more of a jab at how whenever someone who follows Islam commits a violent act, they're always a "Muslim terrorist" like it's an absolute certainty they were faith-motivated.

Let’s not act like a significant amount of the terrorism that originated out of the Middle East is not motivated by religious extremism.

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Postby Adamede » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:57 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Just-An-Illusion wrote:
Your literally a Ultranationalist that's the same thing as being a Nazi....
I'm giving you a reality that will crush your dreams. I'm not an ultranationalist. Ultra-nationalist people look at religious books and murder families. I hope these people get the harshest punishment. furthermore, trials should be in secular courts, not in places where normal people are.

Lol

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Postby Immortan Khan » Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:49 am

Unfortunately SW Ontario has a reputation for having a heavy white nat presence.
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Postby Immortan Khan » Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:51 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Just-An-Illusion wrote:
Your literally a Ultranationalist that's the same thing as being a Nazi....
I'm giving you a reality that will crush your dreams. I'm not an ultranationalist. Ultra-nationalist people look at religious books and murder families. I hope these people get the harshest punishment. furthermore, trials should be in secular courts, not in places where normal people are.

You deny the Armenian, Pontic, and Assyrian genocides lmao.
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Postby Austreylia » Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:15 am

Immortan Khan wrote:Unfortunately SW Ontario has a reputation for having a heavy white nat presence.

I doubt that you complain about the types of politics popular in Portland, L.A. and so on.
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Postby Immortan Khan » Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:18 am

Austreylia wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:Unfortunately SW Ontario has a reputation for having a heavy white nat presence.

I doubt that you complain about the types of politics popular in Portland, L.A. and so on.

No, I do.
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