by Elwher » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:34 am
by Great Algerstonia » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:43 am
Resilient Acceleration wrote:After a period of letting this discussion run its course without my involvement due to sheer laziness and a new related NS project, I have returned with an answer and that answer is Israel.
by Ethel mermania » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:48 am
by Austreylia » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:59 am
Ifreann wrote:States don't have rights.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:08 am
by Kilobugya » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:10 am
by Austreylia » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:11 am
Kilobugya wrote:I strongly disagree that states have "rights". People have rights. States don't.
by Anatoliyanskiy » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:12 am
by Great Algerstonia » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:13 am
Ifreann wrote:States don't have rights. People have rights. States have powers.
Resilient Acceleration wrote:After a period of letting this discussion run its course without my involvement due to sheer laziness and a new related NS project, I have returned with an answer and that answer is Israel.
by Kilobugya » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:16 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Beyond federal level stuff, most powers should be devolved to the states. Local leaders know the situation on the ground best.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:17 am
Kilobugya wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Beyond federal level stuff, most powers should be devolved to the states. Local leaders know the situation on the ground best.
Except that many issues are global (such as environmental issues, or power grids/telecom infrastructure/long-distance transportation, or pandemic control), having different rules at different places can be used by corporations playing one state against another (minimal wage, maximal working hours, tax rates, ...) and many other things benefit a lot from economies of scale or positive externalities (health insurance, public research).
by Islamic Holy Sites » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:17 am
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by Ethel mermania » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:22 am
by Ifreann » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:23 am
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
by Austreylia » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:25 am
Anatoliyanskiy wrote:Yeah, what you're saying is just nonsense.
Care to back up your point with some reasoning?
by Ethel mermania » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:30 am
Ifreann wrote:Austreylia wrote:Yeah, that's not correct at all.
In fact it is entirely correct. Let's skip the boring back and forth bit. You're going to say something to the effect of "Read the Tenth Amendment", because you've heard so-called states rights advocates talking about the Tenth Amendment. But I'm guessing that you haven't actually read the Tenth Amendment recently.The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
No reference to rights at all. But imagine arguing for states powers. "We want more government power!" wouldn't play well with Republican voters, not when you say it openly. So instead they argue for states rights, because that sounds good, that can be sold as a noble and brave endeavour. But it's a lie. It's a marketing ploy.Great Algerstonia wrote:Thats pure semantics. In that case, do you think the federal or state governments should have more powers?
I think it's a relevant point. When people talk about states rights, they're peddling a lie. They're not fighting for anyone's rights, they're fighting to grant themselves more power. And when we look at who argues for "states rights" and when, we can see that the power they want is to derogate people's Constitutional rights. They want their state's government to have the power to ignore the supreme law of the United States.
by Whitemore » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:30 am
by Kilobugya » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:31 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:So we should have someone who isn't from Washington telling Washington how they should solve their problems? My man, this is why the Soviet Union had alot of issues regarding starvation, because bureaucrats in Moscow were trying to run farming operations all the way across Russia without having the knowledge about how it was going in those far off places.
by Kilobugya » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:32 am
Austreylia wrote:It's kind of what the constitution affords to them.
by Whitemore » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:33 am
by Ifreann » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:33 am
Austreylia wrote:It's kind of what the constitution affords to them.
by Picairn » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:44 am
by Kilobugya » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:44 am
by Whitemore » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:47 am
Kilobugya wrote:Whitemore wrote:
You just made a lot of people upset with that statement.
Well, I don't make people upset on purpose, but I will not refrain to express my position because it can upset people. And I come from a country that had like 10 Constitutions since after the US made its own, so really from my point of view that... fixation on a document written more than 200 years ago in a wholly different world looks like fetishism or blind worship more than anything else.
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