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Is it conscientious for a father to propose his son as a prisoner of war ?

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Postby Linessia » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:57 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Ikania wrote:While I respect your good will, this statement stopped meaning anything when Azerbaijan sent troops into Karabakh last year.

Pashinyan made a terrible decision beating his chest and paid for it dearly with the lives of Armenian soldiers and ancestral land. I don't think he'll ever be remembered for much other than being the President who lost Artsakh. This is just a little sad to see.

Heloin wrote:Willing to sacrifice his family to free Armenians from racist warmongers like you. It’s likely he’s not actually offering his son, but your first reaction to the freeing of POWs is that Armenians should be imprisoned for regional “unity” makes it pretty clear that this is little more then your hatred against Armenians showing again.
Look, I want to explain it to you by giving an example.The Turkish government has no territorial claims in Western Thrace, Syria and Iraq. Likewise, the government of Azerbaijan has no desire on the territory of Armenia. However, the Armenian government officially claims the territory of the Azerbaijani, Georgian and Turkish governments. Azerbaijan only tried to preserve its territorial integrity guaranteed by the united nations. All the people of the world and the region know this, but the Armenian government does not want to understand it. Heloin, I strongly condemn you calling me a racist. If you want to look for real racists, I suggest you look at the Nationalist Movement Party and the Armenian Revolutionary Federation.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:58 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Kubra wrote: Sure, but it was a deliberate boycott. They chose not to participate. If every election or referendum were conducted as you would seem to like, the democratic process would simply cease to function. I could simply ring up the federal government, tell them I'd refused to vote, and the whole thing would have to be scrapped.
Yes, but it was done to protect the honor of the Azerbaijanis who were killed and expelled by the occupying Armenian government. I do not trust the so-called democracy of the occupiers, but the honorable democracy of the people. You really need to look at this matter objectively. It is necessary to approach with an independent fair point of view rather than Muslim Christian parties.
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Again: as you have not denied, the region is majority armenian and has been for, well, quite a while. The referendum results were written in stone before they were even tallied, really. "The people" can be said to have favoured enosis, no?
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Postby Duvniask » Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:12 pm

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Kubra wrote: Quick question: why should azeri control be recognised when the region is historically and presently majority armenian?
They resided on the territory of Azerbaijani citizens who were displaced during the 1991 occupation.

I wonder when our dear Hakinda here will call for the Turkish military to leave Northern Cyprus.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:15 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:They resided on the territory of Azerbaijani citizens who were displaced during the 1991 occupation.

I wonder when our dear Hakinda here will call for the Turkish military to leave Northern Cyprus.
Frankly, the irredentism doesn't bother me, merely the hypocrisy of calling oneself a social-democrat but then acting a grey wolf. At least a legitimate grey wolf is honest.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:34 pm

Kubra wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Yes, but it was done to protect the honor of the Azerbaijanis who were killed and expelled by the occupying Armenian government. I do not trust the so-called democracy of the occupiers, but the honorable democracy of the people. You really need to look at this matter objectively. It is necessary to approach with an independent fair point of view rather than Muslim Christian parties.

Again: as you have not denied, the region is majority armenian and has been for, well, quite a while. The referendum results were written in stone before they were even tallied, really. "The people" can be said to have favoured enosis, no?
I think it is wrong to decide on the basis of race, civic nationalism should be more prominent. Let's not forget that the racists were the Nazis. In my opinion, if a real referendum is held with the real citizens of Nagorno-Karabakh in 1991, Azerbaijan will win in this election. however, from the ballot boxes where the dignity of the people is protected, every option that proceeds on the path shown by science should be seen as the will of the people and should be respected.

Kubra wrote:
Duvniask wrote:I wonder when our dear Hakinda here will call for the Turkish military to leave Northern Cyprus.
Frankly, the irredentism doesn't bother me, merely the hypocrisy of calling oneself a social-democrat but then acting a grey wolf. At least a legitimate grey wolf is honest.
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Postby Diarcesia » Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:46 pm

Linessia wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Look, I want to explain it to you by giving an example.The Turkish government has no territorial claims in Western Thrace, Syria and Iraq. Likewise, the government of Azerbaijan has no desire on the territory of Armenia. However, the Armenian government officially claims the territory of the Azerbaijani, Georgian and Turkish governments. Azerbaijan only tried to preserve its territorial integrity guaranteed by the united nations. All the people of the world and the region know this, but the Armenian government does not want to understand it. Heloin, I strongly condemn you calling me a racist. If you want to look for real racists, I suggest you look at the Nationalist Movement Party and the Armenian Revolutionary Federation.
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Territorial integrity if a country you like controls it. Self-determination if it's at the expense of a country you don't like. Consistency would be nice.

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Postby Great Brytain and Ireland » Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:52 pm

Kubra wrote:
Duvniask wrote:I wonder when our dear Hakinda here will call for the Turkish military to leave Northern Cyprus.
Frankly, the irredentism doesn't bother me, merely the hypocrisy of calling oneself a social-democrat but then acting a grey wolf. At least a legitimate grey wolf is honest.


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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:03 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Kubra wrote: Again: as you have not denied, the region is majority armenian and has been for, well, quite a while. The referendum results were written in stone before they were even tallied, really. "The people" can be said to have favoured enosis, no?
I think it is wrong to decide on the basis of race, civic nationalism should be more prominent. Let's not forget that the racists were the Nazis. In my opinion, if a real referendum is held with the real citizens of Nagorno-Karabakh in 1991, Azerbaijan will win in this election. however, from the ballot boxes where the dignity of the people is protected, every option that proceeds on the path shown by science should be seen as the will of the people and should be respected.

The "real citizens"? What do you mean by real citizens?
Also what is this obsession with science? I don't think the act of voting in this kind of thing involves science.

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Postby Tsardom of Alaska » Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:04 pm

Is this some Rumpelstiltskin style thing going on?
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Postby Linessia » Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:34 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Linessia wrote:The 'territorial integrity' guaranteed by the United Nations allows the oppressive Azeri-majority government control over an Armenian land which is not theirs to govern.

Territorial integrity if a country you like controls it. Self-determination if it's at the expense of a country you don't like. Consistency would be nice.

I've opined on exactly one territorial dispute in the entirety of my residence here. No way to even contradict myself, so I'm not sure where you're getting the inconsistency from.
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Postby Duvniask » Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:38 pm

Linessia wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:Territorial integrity if a country you like controls it. Self-determination if it's at the expense of a country you don't like. Consistency would be nice.

I've opined on exactly one territorial dispute in the entirety of my residence here. No way to even contradict myself, so I'm not sure where you're getting the inconsistency from.

They're not talking about you, I would presume. After all, that is Hakinda's position on any territorial dispute.
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Postby Atheris » Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:45 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Kubra wrote: A territory that in a every census since 1926 was reported as majority armenian?
And if that were a justification, shouldn't the armenians receive a fair chunk of turkish soil, what with having been displace?
The state exists for the society, but the state should treat the society fairly. The so-called referendum of 10 December 1991 was held in the occupation environment, ignoring the Azerbaijanis. typical middle eastern mentality. A land is taken either by occupation or by the justice of the nation. Occupation is a concept that only fascists will use.

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now you see this is funny because the azeris only boycotted it, they weren't "ignored"

and even if the azeris didn't boycott it they still wouldn't have won

It was unsuccessfully boycotted by the region's Azeri population, which then constituted 20% of its population.


if 20% of the entire population of artsakh - which was 189,085 in 1989, so i think it's fair to add ~1000 people to that to match the 0.3% demographic growth in 1989, so add 0.6% - that would be 38,019 people out of 190,085

so yeah, not even close. this is blatant misinformation lmao
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Postby Diarcesia » Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:57 pm

Linessia wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:Territorial integrity if a country you like controls it. Self-determination if it's at the expense of a country you don't like. Consistency would be nice.

I've opined on exactly one territorial dispute in the entirety of my residence here. No way to even contradict myself, so I'm not sure where you're getting the inconsistency from.

Oh. It's a general statement and not directed to you in particular. I also say this to myself to keep my takes grounded.

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:03 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I think it is wrong to decide on the basis of race, civic nationalism should be more prominent. Let's not forget that the racists were the Nazis. In my opinion, if a real referendum is held with the real citizens of Nagorno-Karabakh in 1991, Azerbaijan will win in this election. however, from the ballot boxes where the dignity of the people is protected, every option that proceeds on the path shown by science should be seen as the will of the people and should be respected.

The "real citizens"? What do you mean by real citizens?
Also what is this obsession with science? I don't think the act of voting in this kind of thing involves science.
ID card. The light of science is everywhere, but I gave the example of Saudi Arabia or Iran. If religious laws come by election, even if it is fair, I will not respect that election. It is a pity that the terrible ambition of the Armenian government shows that even a father can sacrifice his child in this way. The Armenian people and the region need a leader who accepts their past to contribute to peace. The Turkish people are not the enemies of the Armenians, the politicians are pitting us against each other to make money for the war traders.
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Postby Diarcesia » Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:04 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:The "real citizens"? What do you mean by real citizens?
Also what is this obsession with science? I don't think the act of voting in this kind of thing involves science.
ID card. The light of science is everywhere, but I gave the example of Saudi Arabia or Iran. If religious laws come by election, even if it is fair, I will not respect that election. It is a pity that the terrible ambition of the Armenian government shows that even a father can sacrifice his child in this way. The Armenian people and the region need a leader who accepts their past to contribute to peace. The Turkish people are not the enemies of the Armenians, the politicians are pitting us against each other to make money for the war traders.

This. And based.

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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:26 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Kubra wrote: Again: as you have not denied, the region is majority armenian and has been for, well, quite a while. The referendum results were written in stone before they were even tallied, really. "The people" can be said to have favoured enosis, no?
I think it is wrong to decide on the basis of race, civic nationalism should be more prominent. Let's not forget that the racists were the Nazis. In my opinion, if a real referendum is held with the real citizens of Nagorno-Karabakh in 1991, Azerbaijan will win in this election. however, from the ballot boxes where the dignity of the people is protected, every option that proceeds on the path shown by science should be seen as the will of the people and should be respected.

Kubra wrote: Frankly, the irredentism doesn't bother me, merely the hypocrisy of calling oneself a social-democrat but then acting a grey wolf. At least a legitimate grey wolf is honest.
I have never been a Ülkücü, if you want to argue with me, please do not slander and insult. I advise you not to resort to slander and insult when you cannot produce logical arguments. I am proud of my social democracy. I don't think they are honest

Elaborate on why an Armenian majority would vote to be part of Azerbaijan.
I didn't say you were a grey wolf. Actually, I called them more honest than you.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:31 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:ID card. The light of science is everywhere, but I gave the example of Saudi Arabia or Iran. If religious laws come by election, even if it is fair, I will not respect that election. It is a pity that the terrible ambition of the Armenian government shows that even a father can sacrifice his child in this way. The Armenian people and the region need a leader who accepts their past to contribute to peace. The Turkish people are not the enemies of the Armenians, the politicians are pitting us against each other to make money for the war traders.

This. And based.

Have you never interacted with Hakinda before? He’s a genocide denier who considers Armenia a imperialist country of racists who must by removed from their land to make way for Turks.
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Postby Diarcesia » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:00 pm

Heloin wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:This. And based.

Have you never interacted with Hakinda before? He’s a genocide denier who considers Armenia a imperialist country of racists who must by removed from their land to make way for Turks.

While that sucks, it doesn't make false the statement that it's the politicians who usually start wars for their own benefit.

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Postby Heloin » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:09 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Heloin wrote:Have you never interacted with Hakinda before? He’s a genocide denier who considers Armenia a imperialist country of racists who must by removed from their land to make way for Turks.

While that sucks, it doesn't make false the statement that it's the politicians who usually start wars for their own benefit.

A broken clock is right twice a day. If he truly believed that he would be attacking Azerbaijan's dictator, not Armenia which was going throw internal issues and couldn’t focus on it’s external threats if it wanted to. Hakinda’s statements about this conflict are to push a narrative to justify ethnic cleansing in the Karabakh, not attack war hawks.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:12 pm

Kubra wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I think it is wrong to decide on the basis of race, civic nationalism should be more prominent. Let's not forget that the racists were the Nazis. In my opinion, if a real referendum is held with the real citizens of Nagorno-Karabakh in 1991, Azerbaijan will win in this election. however, from the ballot boxes where the dignity of the people is protected, every option that proceeds on the path shown by science should be seen as the will of the people and should be respected.

I have never been a Ülkücü, if you want to argue with me, please do not slander and insult. I advise you not to resort to slander and insult when you cannot produce logical arguments. I am proud of my social democracy. I don't think they are honest

Elaborate on why an Armenian majority would vote to be part of Azerbaijan.
I didn't say you were a grey wolf. Actually, I called them more honest than you.
Are you trying to call me a liar ? If you don't apologize, I won't talk to you about Nikol Pashinyan and his son, please don't get me wrong, I'm not writing this because of your opinion, everyone should be free to express their opinion freely, but I can't argue with someone who insults me. You are wrong about the Ülkücü, they serve the political Islamists and their supporters. bad people. I made such elaboration because of the culture of the Soviet Union. I repeat, the reason why I did not answer you is not because you are defending Armenia. for slandering me.

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Heloin wrote:Have you never interacted with Hakinda before? He’s a genocide denier who considers Armenia a imperialist country of racists who must by removed from their land to make way for Turks.

While that sucks, it doesn't make false the statement that it's the politicians who usually start wars for their own benefit.

Heloin wrote:I love the Dashnaks, Ազատություն կամ մահ. They defend their homeland from people you support who would see Armenians exterminated from the face of the earth.

I do not slander anyone like Heloin. There is a war in the region under the guise of racism and religion. the reason for this war is money. their justice is as much as the terrorist organization ASALA, which kills civilians supported by the racist dashnak party.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:28 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Kubra wrote: Elaborate on why an Armenian majority would vote to be part of Azerbaijan.
I didn't say you were a grey wolf. Actually, I called them more honest than you.
Are you trying to call me a liar ? If you don't apologize, I won't talk to you about Nikol Pashinyan and his son, please don't get me wrong, I'm not writing this because of your opinion, everyone should be free to express their opinion freely, but I can't argue with someone who insults me. You are wrong about the Ülkücü, they serve the political Islamists and their supporters. bad people. I made such elaboration because of the culture of the Soviet Union. I repeat, the reason why I did not answer you is not because you are defending Armenia. for slandering me.

Diarcesia wrote:While that sucks, it doesn't make false the statement that it's the politicians who usually start wars for their own benefit.

Heloin wrote:I love the Dashnaks, Ազատություն կամ մահ. They defend their homeland from people you support who would see Armenians exterminated from the face of the earth.

I do not slander anyone like Heloin. There is a war in the region under the guise of racism and religion. the reason for this war is money. their justice is as much as the terrorist organization ASALA, which kills civilians supported by the racist dashnak party.
If you're saying referendum in the region would show a majority for azerbaijan, it's frankly better if you are dishonest. If you honestly mean it, well, bless your soul, I suppose. It's akin to one Thomas Jefferson calling the war of 1812 "a mere matter of marching".
I, of course, say this meaning no ill-will. I am merely stating what I am observing on this particular topic. Perhaps there are topics in which it is I who is the liar, abstractly theorising away what should be bluntly clear to me.
Yes, the grey wolves are political islamists and turkic supremacists, but they would never say otherwise. What you see is what you get, you feel me? They don't make elaborate excuses for what makes them abhorrent.
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Postby Linessia » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:31 pm

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Linessia wrote:I've opined on exactly one territorial dispute in the entirety of my residence here. No way to even contradict myself, so I'm not sure where you're getting the inconsistency from.

Oh. It's a general statement and not directed to you in particular. I also say this to myself to keep my takes grounded.

Apologies. I assumed you meant me since you quoted me.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:33 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:While that sucks, it doesn't make false the statement that it's the politicians who usually start wars for their own benefit.

Heloin wrote:I love the Dashnaks, Ազատություն կամ մահ. They defend their homeland from people you support who would see Armenians exterminated from the face of the earth.

I do not slander anyone like Heloin. There is a war in the region under the guise of racism and religion. the reason for this war is money. their justice is as much as the terrorist organization ASALA, which kills civilians supported by the racist dashnak party.

You are the only one supporting racism and bigotry. You support a dictatorship and call people defending their homes racist in an attempt to slander them.
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Postby Diarcesia » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:34 pm

Linessia wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:Oh. It's a general statement and not directed to you in particular. I also say this to myself to keep my takes grounded.

Apologies. I assumed you meant me since you quoted me.

No worries. I could have worded it better though.

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Postby Dowaesk » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:33 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Kubra wrote: Elaborate on why an Armenian majority would vote to be part of Azerbaijan.
I didn't say you were a grey wolf. Actually, I called them more honest than you.
Are you trying to call me a liar ? If you don't apologize, I won't talk to you about Nikol Pashinyan and his son, please don't get me wrong, I'm not writing this because of your opinion, everyone should be free to express their opinion freely, but I can't argue with someone who insults me. You are wrong about the Ülkücü, they serve the political Islamists and their supporters. bad people. I made such elaboration because of the culture of the Soviet Union. I repeat, the reason why I did not answer you is not because you are defending Armenia. for slandering me.

Diarcesia wrote:While that sucks, it doesn't make false the statement that it's the politicians who usually start wars for their own benefit.

Heloin wrote:I love the Dashnaks, Ազատություն կամ մահ. They defend their homeland from people you support who would see Armenians exterminated from the face of the earth.

I do not slander anyone like Heloin. There is a war in the region under the guise of racism and religion. the reason for this war is money. their justice is as much as the terrorist organization ASALA, which kills civilians supported by the racist dashnak party.

Reading your posts make it easier to understand why Hitler took Ataturk as his idol. Theres no war in the name of Religion. Religion is involved as, but your just using it as an excuse to justify genocide.
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