Immortan Khan wrote:The world should unite to reestablish the Treaty of Sèvres.
That'd be nice.
Unfortunately that's not the reality we live in.
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by Salus Maior » Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:21 pm
Immortan Khan wrote:The world should unite to reestablish the Treaty of Sèvres.
by Heloin » Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:23 pm
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I am only sad, I am neither defending the nationalist movement party nor the Dashnaks because I know that racism has no nation and gender.Heloin wrote:Firstly, since when do you care about territorial integrity? You support military action against Armenians for committing the heinous crime of defending their homes.
I love the Dashnaks, Ազատություն կամ մահ. They defend their homeland from people you support who would see Armenians exterminated from the face of the earth.
I condemn the 1991 Armenian government invasion.
The blood of all Armenian and Azerbaijani children who were martyred is in the hands of the Armenian government.
I hope azerbaijan will return all the prisoners of war to armenia, it is a terrible act for a father to go so far as to give his son because of his ambitions(Image)
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:29 pm
They resided on the territory of Azerbaijani citizens who were displaced during the 1991 occupation.Kubra wrote:Quick question: why should azeri control be recognised when the region is historically and presently majority armenian?Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I am only sad, I am neither defending the nationalist movement party nor the Dashnaks because I know that racism has no nation and gender. I condemn the 1991 Armenian government invasion. The blood of all Armenian and Azerbaijani children who were martyred is in the hands of the Armenian government. I hope azerbaijan will return all the prisoners of war to armenia, it is a terrible act for a father to go so far as to give his son because of his ambitions(Image)
What needs to be done is to hand over the Armenian prisoners of war to the Armenian government by protecting their lives.Ilham Aliyev's laughter while the Armenian and Azerbaijani soldiers were dying made me very uncomfortable. Taking wrong steps in a matter that you are right makes you as guilty as the criminal.Kubra wrote:Probably more theatre than anything else. Either Azerbaijan takes the deal and makes themselves look medieval, or they refuse the deal and look heartless.
by Heloin » Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:44 pm
by Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:45 pm
I receive: All Armenian prisoners of war | You receive: My most disappointing and useless child |
by Heloin » Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:52 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:⚠️Trade Offer⚠️
I receive: All Armenian prisoners of war You receive: My most disappointing and useless child
by Diarcesia » Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:55 pm
Heloin wrote:Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:They resided on the territory of Azerbaijani citizens who were displaced during the 1991 occupation.
The whole of the Azeri population pre 1980 made up less than 20% of the whole regions population and before 1960 less than 10%. That percentage increase comes not from an increase in Azeris but an expulsion of Armenians in the 60s and 70s. Including the territory invaded last year the pre 1980 population of the region still didn't rise to more than 30% Azeri. The Karabakh and it's people are and have always been Armenian.
by Heloin » Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:04 pm
Diarcesia wrote:Heloin wrote:The whole of the Azeri population pre 1980 made up less than 20% of the whole regions population and before 1960 less than 10%. That percentage increase comes not from an increase in Azeris but an expulsion of Armenians in the 60s and 70s. Including the territory invaded last year the pre 1980 population of the region still didn't rise to more than 30% Azeri. The Karabakh and it's people are and have always been Armenian.
Islas Malvinas and its people are and have always been Argentinian.
Only offering a perspective here.
Edit: Heck... Gibraltar and its people are and have always been Spanish could be a more closer analogy.
by Kubra » Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:08 pm
A territory that in a every census since 1926 was reported as majority armenian?Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:They resided on the territory of Azerbaijani citizens who were displaced during the 1991 occupation.Kubra wrote: Quick question: why should azeri control be recognised when the region is historically and presently majority armenian?What needs to be done is to hand over the Armenian prisoners of war to the Armenian government by protecting their lives.Ilham Aliyev's laughter while the Armenian and Azerbaijani soldiers were dying made me very uncomfortable. Taking wrong steps in a matter that you are right makes you as guilty as the criminal.Kubra wrote:Probably more theatre than anything else. Either Azerbaijan takes the deal and makes themselves look medieval, or they refuse the deal and look heartless.
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:09 pm
First of all, don't say it's useless to anyone. Ashot Pashinyan is the son of a father and mother. Conscientious objection is a right. Azerbaijan should not succumb to the terrible and outdated ambition of the Armenian government. conscience is superior to weapon. Azerbaijan should deliver the Armenian soldiers to Armenia as soon as possible.Dumb Ideologies wrote:⚠️Trade Offer⚠️
I receive: All Armenian prisoners of war You receive: My most disappointing and useless child
Yes, before most nations, Armenians were citizens of these lands.Heloin wrote:Gibraltar is a bad example as well. The Armenians who've lived in the Karabakh have been the majority in the area since before Rome was an empire, possibly before it was even a Republic.
by The Two Jerseys » Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:31 pm
Galloism wrote:Vikanias wrote:In a moral sense it’s right, it’s like the train problem. There’s six construction workers on the left. And 1 on the right. You don’t want to kill any of them but you would go right to keep casualties to a minimum.
Relevant video clip
by Heloin » Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:37 pm
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Yes, before most nations, Armenians were citizens of these lands.Heloin wrote:Gibraltar is a bad example as well. The Armenians who've lived in the Karabakh have been the majority in the area since before Rome was an empire, possibly before it was even a Republic.
by Diarcesia » Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:55 pm
Heloin wrote:Diarcesia wrote:Islas Malvinas and its people are and have always been Argentinian.
Only offering a perspective here.
Seeing that no Argentinian has ever lived on the Falklands.Edit: Heck... Gibraltar and its people are and have always been Spanish could be a more closer analogy.
Gibraltar is a bad example as well. The Armenians who've lived in the Karabakh have been the majority in the area since before Rome was an empire, possibly before it was even a Republic.
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:58 pm
On September 23, 1991, the government of Armenia was established. This is our difference with you, I know that the Armenian nation is superior to racist governments. I won't answer you because you are a supporter of the Dashnak. I will continue to be against all kinds of fascist attitudes. Let the racist party supporters who are hostile to Turks and Armenians talk to themselves. Conscientious social democrats are superior to you. The Turkish deep state that shot Hrant Dink is in line with the racist parties of Armenia.
by Lady Victory » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:01 pm
Kubra wrote:Quick question: why should azeri control be recognised when the region is historically and presently majority armenian?Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I am only sad, I am neither defending the nationalist movement party nor the Dashnaks because I know that racism has no nation and gender. I condemn the 1991 Armenian government invasion. The blood of all Armenian and Azerbaijani children who were martyred is in the hands of the Armenian government. I hope azerbaijan will return all the prisoners of war to armenia, it is a terrible act for a father to go so far as to give his son because of his ambitions
by Kubra » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:02 pm
You have not answered the matter of the land being majority armenian.Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:On September 23, 1991, the government of Armenia was established. This is our difference with you, I know that the Armenian nation is superior to racist governments. I won't answer you because you are a supporter of the Dashnak. I will continue to be against all kinds of fascist attitudes. Let the racist party supporters who are hostile to Turks and Armenians talk to themselves. Conscientious social democrats are superior to you. The Turkish deep state that shot Hrant Dink is in line with the racist parties of Armenia.Heloin wrote:And you support action to remove them from lands they’ve lived on for thousands of years.
Hepimiz Ermeniyiz !
Բոլորս հայ ենք !
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:17 pm
The state exists for the society, but the state should treat the society fairly. The so-called referendum of 10 December 1991 was held in the occupation environment, ignoring the Azerbaijanis. typical middle eastern mentality. A land is taken either by occupation or by the justice of the nation. Occupation is a concept that only fascists will use.Kubra wrote:A territory that in a every census since 1926 was reported as majority armenian?Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:They resided on the territory of Azerbaijani citizens who were displaced during the 1991 occupation.
What needs to be done is to hand over the Armenian prisoners of war to the Armenian government by protecting their lives.Ilham Aliyev's laughter while the Armenian and Azerbaijani soldiers were dying made me very uncomfortable. Taking wrong steps in a matter that you are right makes you as guilty as the criminal.
And if that were a justification, shouldn't the armenians receive a fair chunk of turkish soil, what with having been displace?
by Kubra » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:26 pm
Azerbaijani's who deliberately boycotted the vote. And in any case, given the demographic disparity, do you really think much would have changed if they had not called for a boycott?Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The state exists for the society, but the state should treat the society fairly. The so-called referendum of 10 December 1991 was held in the occupation environment, ignoring the Azerbaijanis. typical middle eastern mentality. A land is taken either by occupation or by the justice of the nation. Occupation is a concept that only fascists will use.Kubra wrote: A territory that in a every census since 1926 was reported as majority armenian?
And if that were a justification, shouldn't the armenians receive a fair chunk of turkish soil, what with having been displace?
Egemenlik kayıtsız şartsız milletindir
Ինքնիշխանությունն անվերապահորեն պատկանում է ժողովրդին
Sovereignty unconditionally belongs to the People
by Samudera Darussalam » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:34 pm
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I am only sad, I am neither defending the nationalist movement party nor the Dashnaks because I know that racism has no nation and gender. I condemn the 1991 Armenian government invasion. The blood of all Armenian and Azerbaijani children who were martyred is in the hands of the Armenian government. I hope azerbaijan will return all the prisoners of war to armenia, it is a terrible act for a father to go so far as to give his son because of his ambitions(Image)
Why did the EU take part of Iraq and leave the rest?
by Diarcesia » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:37 pm
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Why did the EU take part of Iraq and leave the rest?
Turkish sovereignity over Kurdish lands lmao
That is a bad map
On the OP, it's a really strange move that I thought doesn't exist again in a modern era. The most recent similar thing that I can think of is the Korean prince that is sent to imperial Japan, though not in the context of prisoner swap afaik.
Both nations should have just exchange prisoners or just release the POWs to their countries once the war is over.
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:37 pm
Every vote counts for every person. The more correct the elections in Syria are, the more correct they are in the elections under the occupation administration of Armenia. We will not give anyone's rights to the fascistsKubra wrote:Azerbaijani's who deliberately boycotted the vote. And in any case, given the demographic disparity, do you really think much would have changed if they had not called for a boycott?Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The state exists for the society, but the state should treat the society fairly. The so-called referendum of 10 December 1991 was held in the occupation environment, ignoring the Azerbaijanis. typical middle eastern mentality. A land is taken either by occupation or by the justice of the nation. Occupation is a concept that only fascists will use.
Egemenlik kayıtsız şartsız milletindir
Ինքնիշխանությունն անվերապահորեն պատկանում է ժողովրդին
Sovereignty unconditionally belongs to the People
by Kubra » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:40 pm
Sure, but it was a deliberate boycott. They chose not to participate. If every election or referendum were conducted as you would seem to like, the democratic process would simply cease to function. I could simply ring up the federal government, tell them I'd refused to vote, and the whole thing would have to be scrapped.Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Every vote counts for every person. The more correct the elections in Syria are, the more correct they are in the elections under the occupation administration of Armenia. We will not give anyone's rights to the fascistsKubra wrote: Azerbaijani's who deliberately boycotted the vote. And in any case, given the demographic disparity, do you really think much would have changed if they had not called for a boycott?
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:54 pm
Yes, but it was done to protect the honor of the Azerbaijanis who were killed and expelled by the occupying Armenian government. I do not trust the so-called democracy of the occupiers, but the honorable democracy of the people. You really need to look at this matter objectively. It is necessary to approach with an independent fair point of view rather than Muslim Christian parties.Kubra wrote:Sure, but it was a deliberate boycott. They chose not to participate. If every election or referendum were conducted as you would seem to like, the democratic process would simply cease to function. I could simply ring up the federal government, tell them I'd refused to vote, and the whole thing would have to be scrapped.Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Every vote counts for every person. The more correct the elections in Syria are, the more correct they are in the elections under the occupation administration of Armenia. We will not give anyone's rights to the fascists
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