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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:24 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:Btw, second to last surviving liberator. Иван Степанович Мартынушкин is supposedly the last one.

As a russian I can indeed confirm that such a surname is real and that there were... quite a few Red Army men called by this name. I believe that the one that lived through the war is the one you’re talking about though

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/

Here’s a link to a Russian WW2-related documents search system- it is especially fitted to help people find info about their relatives who served their country during the war. I searched the name you’ve stated and got a few results, although most of them didn’t live to see the end of the war, poor souls.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:32 pm

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Btw, second to last surviving liberator. Иван Степанович Мартынушкин is supposedly the last one.

As a russian I can indeed confirm that such a surname is real and that there were... quite a few Red Army men called by this name. I believe that the one that lived through the war is the one you’re talking about though

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/

Here’s a link to a Russian WW2-related documents search system- it is especially fitted to help people find info about their relatives who served their country during the war. I searched the name you’ve stated and got a few results, although most of them didn’t live to see the end of the war, poor souls.


https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0 ... 0%B8%D1%87 was who I thought about. Not sure if they're the same, my Russian is russty.
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:47 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
As a russian I can indeed confirm that such a surname is real and that there were... quite a few Red Army men called by this name. I believe that the one that lived through the war is the one you’re talking about though

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/

Here’s a link to a Russian WW2-related documents search system- it is especially fitted to help people find info about their relatives who served their country during the war. I searched the name you’ve stated and got a few results, although most of them didn’t live to see the end of the war, poor souls.


https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0 ... 0%B8%D1%87 was who I thought about. Not sure if they're the same, my Russian is russty.

Yup, that’s our guy. He was amongst the first Soviets to enter Auschwitz and is still alive. Shame that I can’t visit him though...
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:52 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:The Chad US aushwitz liberator dying surrounded by his family and friends having thousand mourning his death while chilling in the heaven with his battle buddies

The virgin SS shizodoctor living in poverty performing underground abortions and dying drowning in a pool with millions celebrating his death

Dr. Death should've suffered drop hanging after a trial, but we had to settle for the drowning.

Russian, the hero everyone is lauding is russian.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:52 pm

Saiwania wrote: I was busy checking into whether the history for this person checks out. I'm skeptical initially, because his last name doesn't appear to be common enough in Russia or any of the former Soviet republics.


Writing as someone who's married to a Russian...

You do realise that the Soviet Union was a multiethnic state? As is the modern Russian Federation, for that matter. If you're going to cast doubt on the existence of Mr Dushman because he doesn't have a common Slavic surname, then who knows what you'd think of my wife's original surname.

Never mind such prominent figures from Russian history as Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly, Lev Bronstein, or Joseb Besarionis dzе Jughashvili.

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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:57 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Saiwania wrote: I was busy checking into whether the history for this person checks out. I'm skeptical initially, because his last name doesn't appear to be common enough in Russia or any of the former Soviet republics.


Writing as someone who's married to a Russian...

You do realise that the Soviet Union was a multiethnic state? As is the modern Russian Federation, for that matter. If you're going to cast doubt on the existence of Mr Dushman because he doesn't have a common Slavic surname, then who knows what you'd think of my wife's original surname.

Never mind such prominent figures from Russian history as Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly, Lev Bronstein, or Joseb Besarionis dzе Jughashvili.

And speaking as someone who is a Russian I’ve found 4 different David Dushmans on pamyat naroda which I hope is more than enough to prove that he was in fact a real person, Sai. I think that the guy were looking for is the first one on the page, mainly because of him having a lot of awards as well as more evidence showing that did participate in the polish campaign.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:02 pm

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Punished UMN wrote:when you're such a holocaust denier that you think the Soviet Union would make up a lie so obvious it could be disproven by the guy's last name for seventy years. I mean come on, dude.


I don't deny that the Holocaust happened. But in any case, I consider it more impressive if he was at the Stalingrad and Kursk battles.

Then why subscribe to Nazism?
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Postby Christian Confederation » Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:02 pm

A reminder that we grow ever closer to the day where there's nobody alive to remember WWII first hand. Eventually even 2nd and 3rd hand accounts will disappear into the history books.
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Postby Atheris » Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:04 pm

Godspeed, you magnificent bastard.

Edit: Turns out he wasn't the last surviving liberator. Ivan Stepanovich Martynushkin seems to be the last one.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:32 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Saiwania wrote: I was busy checking into whether the history for this person checks out. I'm skeptical initially, because his last name doesn't appear to be common enough in Russia or any of the former Soviet republics.


Writing as someone who's married to a Russian...

You do realise that the Soviet Union was a multiethnic state? As is the modern Russian Federation, for that matter. If you're going to cast doubt on the existence of Mr Dushman because he doesn't have a common Slavic surname, then who knows what you'd think of my wife's original surname.

Never mind such prominent figures from Russian history as Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly, Lev Bronstein, or Joseb Besarionis dzе Jughashvili.


Is your wife Caucasian? Like from the Caucasus?
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Postby Rusozak » Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:34 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:A reminder that we grow ever closer to the day where there's nobody alive to remember WWII first hand. Eventually even 2nd and 3rd hand accounts will disappear into the history books.


The last WW1 vet died 10 years ago. And the wars were just a little over 20 years apart. It's sad to think the WW2 vets may all be gone in the next decade too.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:39 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Pretty much very single guard at a Nazi death camp should have been hanged. Reading about the horrors of the death camps makes me sick.


Hence why we shouldn't tolerate nazis now or then. Nazism is an evil ideology bent on hatred and violence.
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Postby Atheris » Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:56 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Pretty much very single guard at a Nazi death camp should have been hanged. Reading about the horrors of the death camps makes me sick.


Hence why we shouldn't tolerate nazis now or then. Nazism is an evil ideology bent on hatred and violence.

"Bent on hatred and violence" is an understatement. It was basically a violent cultist religion in all but name.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:02 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Pretty much very single guard at a Nazi death camp should have been hanged. Reading about the horrors of the death camps makes me sick.


Hence why we shouldn't tolerate nazis now or then. Nazism is an evil ideology bent on hatred and violence.

It's not like I'll lose sleep when an obvious Nazi region gets raided here. :p
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It tends to happen when people watch their countries being destroyed before their eyes.

Exactly how is Italy being destroyed, and by whom?
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:58 am

Might be somewhat hard for him to get into heaven though
Because his giant balls might get in a way
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:20 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:The Chad US aushwitz liberator...

Red Army soldier: *liberates Auschwitz*
Internet: "Thank you, America"
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Postby The Archregimancy » Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:54 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Writing as someone who's married to a Russian...

You do realise that the Soviet Union was a multiethnic state? As is the modern Russian Federation, for that matter. If you're going to cast doubt on the existence of Mr Dushman because he doesn't have a common Slavic surname, then who knows what you'd think of my wife's original surname.

Never mind such prominent figures from Russian history as Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly, Lev Bronstein, or Joseb Besarionis dzе Jughashvili.


Is your wife Caucasian? Like from the Caucasus?


No. Baltic surname on her father's side (via a pre-Soviet family of Baltic Russians); though it's fairly standard Russian surname on her mother's side (via Moscow and Odessa). But any Russian can tell you this is all fairly common, especially in what were the western reaches of the Russian Empire / Soviet Union. Dmitri Shostakovich, for example, may look like a fairly standard Russian name, but go back two generations and his Polish grandfather was Bolesław Szostakowicz.

The real oddity from a Russian perspective is that my wife's original surname doesn't take a Russian feminine -ova ending.

In any case, it turns out that David Dushman was born in the Free City of Danzig in 1923, not Russia, so his surname shouldn't come as a huge shock. I don't know how the family ended up in the USSR, or when they moved - his father seems to have held a medical rank in the Red Army before falling victim to one of Stalin's purges - but that he settled in Austria and then Munich after the fall of the Soviet Union suggests he wasn't entirely uncomfortable in a German-speaking environment.

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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:56 am

Ifreann wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:The Chad US aushwitz liberator...

Red Army soldier: *liberates Auschwitz*
Internet: "Thank you, America"

I mistyped. I wanted to type USSR, sorry.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:19 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Red Army soldier: *liberates Auschwitz*
Internet: "Thank you, America"

I mistyped. I wanted to type USSR, sorry.

Apparently there's a fair few comment sections around the internet where the headline didn't mention the nationality of David Dushman and so people are assuming he was American or British.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:22 am

Ifreann wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:I mistyped. I wanted to type USSR, sorry.

Apparently there's a fair few comment sections around the internet where the headline didn't mention the nationality of David Dushman and so people are assuming he was American or British.


David doesn't sound like a particularly Russian name. I won't judge the last name because Russia is a diverse nation but his first name has me as shocked as the time I heard about a PLO rep named Jack.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:31 am

South Reinkalistan wrote:Sounds like a genuinely remarkable man, both for his wartime deeds and his attitude and personality at home; shame he's gone. Rest in peace.

Unfortunately, all good things (people in this case) come to an end.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:31 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Apparently there's a fair few comment sections around the internet where the headline didn't mention the nationality of David Dushman and so people are assuming he was American or British.


David doesn't sound like a particularly Russian name. I won't judge the last name because Russia is a diverse nation but his first name has me as shocked as the time I heard about a PLO rep named Jack.


'David' would be far more common with ethnic Georgians living in Russia and Russian Jews, true, but it's not completely unknown in a Russian context. It's a legitimate saint's name, and because St Gleb (as in Sts Boris and Gleb) was baptised as 'David', it recurs as a princely name in medieval Russia.

And, as noted above, David Dushman was born in what was then the Free City of Danzig, so I don't think we really need to overthink his name given that context.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:33 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Is your wife Caucasian? Like from the Caucasus?


No. Baltic surname on her father's side (via a pre-Soviet family of Baltic Russians); though it's fairly standard Russian surname on her mother's side (via Moscow and Odessa). But any Russian can tell you this is all fairly common, especially in what were the western reaches of the Russian Empire / Soviet Union. Dmitri Shostakovich, for example, may look like a fairly standard Russian name, but go back two generations and his Polish grandfather was Bolesław Szostakowicz.

The real oddity from a Russian perspective is that my wife's original surname doesn't take a Russian feminine -ova ending.

In any case, it turns out that David Dushman was born in the Free City of Danzig in 1923, not Russia, so his surname shouldn't come as a huge shock. I don't know how the family ended up in the USSR, or when they moved - his father seems to have held a medical rank in the Red Army before falling victim to one of Stalin's purges - but that he settled in Austria and then Munich after the fall of the Soviet Union suggests he wasn't entirely uncomfortable in a German-speaking environment.

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