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"Killer Robot" May Have Taken First Lives

Postby Azalfia » Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:26 pm

From this article:

At least one autonomous drone operated by artificial intelligence (AI) may have killed people for the first time last year in Libya, without any humans consulted prior to the attack, according to a U.N. report.

According to a March report from the U.N. Panel of Experts on Libya, lethal autonomous aircraft may have "hunted down and remotely engaged" soldiers and convoys fighting for Libyan general Khalifa Haftar. It's not clear who exactly deployed these killer robots, though remnants of one such machine found in Libya came from the Kargu-2 drone, which is made by Turkish military contractor STM.

"Autonomous weapons as a concept are not all that new. Landmines are essentially simple autonomous weapons — you step on them and they blow up," Zachary Kallenborn, a research affiliate with the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism at the University of Maryland, College Park, told Live Science. "What's potentially new here are autonomous weapons incorporating artificial intelligence," added Kallenborn, who is with the consortium's unconventional weapons and technology division.


The term "killer robot" may be a bit exaggerated on that front, but supposedly, a drone that was operated by AI may have killed people without the consultation or help of a human which, frankly, might be the most terrifying thing I have ever heard. I already fear nuclear weapons, but the idea's now that we are allowing robots that can't distinguish between soldier and civilian to fly in the skies of warzones is, mildly terrifying in my opinion. What do you think NS?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:28 pm

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Postby Azalfia » Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:29 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Based and Skynetpilled, bring on the apocalypse

"It's a bird, it's a plane, it's..shooting at us? Mommy?"

No but seriously, the few ways humans are gonna kill ourselves this century is through either the worst nuclear war scenario, killer drone robots, or some other godly force striking us all down.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:41 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Based and Skynetpilled, bring on the apocalypse

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:31 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Based and Skynetpilled, bring on the apocalypse

Just don't connect it to the W.O.P.R and for gods sake change the launch code from CPE1704TKS

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:34 pm

I expect to see these talking points more often with the increased rollout of AI death robots:

AI is emotionless, it feels nothing when it commits atrocities. On the other hand, a good AI might be more disciplined than a soldier and won't act out of panic. They don't have families either, so it doesn't really matter (except financially) if they're destroyed. The army's financially bloated beyond comprehension, so the cost of losing them doesn’t matter too much.

Troops have feelings, but they can have malicious intent. I have no doubt that many people sign up for the military because it gives them the opportunity to rape and murder. Furthermore, panic can cloud judgment and they can make bad decisions in the moment. Using troops also puts them at risk, and losing human beings is worse than losing machines. They're usually cheaper, though.

Drone pilots have emotions, and they're probably less likely to panic than ground troops or traditional pilots because they're further away. It might seem more like a game to them, though, and they can act with illogical murderous intent.

Who cares? Civilian casualties are a part of war and that's the price you pay for FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY. Your country isn't free, and who's better to bring it to you than the self-appointed bastion of military industrialism freedom and democracy itself?

My talking points probably won't change much, I'll personally keep ranting about how imperialism is bad and the army shouldn't be there to begin with.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:38 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote: for gods sake change the launch code from CPE1704TKS

You got it

New launch code: admin
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Postby Just-An-Illusion » Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:19 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:I expect to see these talking points more often with the increased rollout of AI death robots:

AI is emotionless, it feels nothing when it commits atrocities. On the other hand, a good AI might be more disciplined than a soldier and won't act out of panic. They don't have families either, so it doesn't really matter (except financially) if they're destroyed. The army's financially bloated beyond comprehension, so the cost of losing them doesn’t matter too much.

Troops have feelings, but they can have malicious intent. I have no doubt that many people sign up for the military because it gives them the opportunity to rape and murder. Furthermore, panic can cloud judgment and they can make bad decisions in the moment. Using troops also puts them at risk, and losing human beings is worse than losing machines. They're usually cheaper, though.

Drone pilots have emotions, and they're probably less likely to panic than ground troops or traditional pilots because they're further away. It might seem more like a game to them, though, and they can act with illogical murderous intent.

Who cares? Civilian casualties are a part of war and that's the price you pay for FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY. Your country isn't free, and who's better to bring it to you than the self-appointed bastion of military industrialism freedom and democracy itself?

My talking points probably won't change much, I'll personally keep ranting about how imperialism is bad and the army shouldn't be there to begin with.


Can we get a source for this bolded part please? I'm aware the American military has committed war crimes, but I doubt many people who join the military just do it to kill babies.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:34 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Based and Skynetpilled, bring on the apocalypse

Just don't connect it to the W.O.P.R and for gods sake change the launch code from CPE1704TKS

How about a nice game of chess?

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:35 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Based and Skynetpilled, bring on the apocalypse

Comrade Posadas failed to consider killer robots.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:44 pm

Not to worry, they're easily fooled..

How have adversaries adapted? For example, AI company OpenAI developed a system that could classify an apple as a Granny Smith with 85.6% confidence, but if someone taped a piece of paper that said "iPod" on the fruit, it concluded with 99.7% confidence that the apple was an iPod, Kallenborn said. Adversaries may find similar ways to fool autonomous weapons.

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Postby Azalfia » Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:52 pm

Bombadil wrote:Not to worry, they're easily fooled..

How have adversaries adapted? For example, AI company OpenAI developed a system that could classify an apple as a Granny Smith with 85.6% confidence, but if someone taped a piece of paper that said "iPod" on the fruit, it concluded with 99.7% confidence that the apple was an iPod, Kallenborn said. Adversaries may find similar ways to fool autonomous weapons.

Just tape a piece of paper saying 'friend' on your forehead and you'll be fine.

This gives a whole new meaning to when a kid puts a "kick me" sticker on the back of there friends.
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Postby Xmara » Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:46 pm

While this may have been the first time an AI has killed someone, I would like to mention that this is definitely not the first fatality via robot.
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Postby New Jacobland » Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:00 pm

Damn.

First nukes, now AI drones.
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Postby Maroza » Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:31 pm

I don't like this but I think it was inevitable that someone would deploy an AI with instructions to kill at will. The only real hope we have is that our AI is probably really, really dumb for the moment. I seem to recall the military testing an automated turret a long time ago that emptied its entire ammo at any heat signature that wandered into its field of view because it couldn't tell when something was dead. Basically AI lacks what even most idiots would consider common sense, meaning they will be easy to fool for now.

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Postby Cetacea » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:00 pm

Where are Asimovs Rules when we really need them?

It is a little perturbing that some Official actually approved thios thing to go out in to the field without a huge political debate and public outcry! Are Drones really at a point that they can discern enemy combatants?

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Azalfia wrote:From this article:

At least one autonomous drone operated by artificial intelligence (AI) may have killed people for the first time last year in Libya, without any humans consulted prior to the attack, according to a U.N. report.

According to a March report from the U.N. Panel of Experts on Libya, lethal autonomous aircraft may have "hunted down and remotely engaged" soldiers and convoys fighting for Libyan general Khalifa Haftar. It's not clear who exactly deployed these killer robots, though remnants of one such machine found in Libya came from the Kargu-2 drone, which is made by Turkish military contractor STM.

"Autonomous weapons as a concept are not all that new. Landmines are essentially simple autonomous weapons — you step on them and they blow up," Zachary Kallenborn, a research affiliate with the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism at the University of Maryland, College Park, told Live Science. "What's potentially new here are autonomous weapons incorporating artificial intelligence," added Kallenborn, who is with the consortium's unconventional weapons and technology division.


The term "killer robot" may be a bit exaggerated on that front, but supposedly, a drone that was operated by AI may have killed people without the consultation or help of a human which, frankly, might be the most terrifying thing I have ever heard. I already fear nuclear weapons, but the idea's now that we are allowing robots that can't distinguish between soldier and civilian to fly in the skies of warzones is, mildly terrifying in my opinion. What do you think NS?


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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:19 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Azalfia wrote:From this article:



The term "killer robot" may be a bit exaggerated on that front, but supposedly, a drone that was operated by AI may have killed people without the consultation or help of a human which, frankly, might be the most terrifying thing I have ever heard. I already fear nuclear weapons, but the idea's now that we are allowing robots that can't distinguish between soldier and civilian to fly in the skies of warzones is, mildly terrifying in my opinion. What do you think NS?


Time to cancel my wedding in Libya

Have you considered somewhere less turbulent? Like Western Sahara?
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Postby Azalfia » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:38 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Time to cancel my wedding in Libya

Have you considered somewhere less turbulent? Like Western Sahara?

Or possibly Damascus?
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:45 pm

Azalfia wrote:
"Autonomous weapons as a concept are not all that new. Landmines are essentially simple autonomous weapons — you step on them and they blow up,"


....And landmines are pretty awful and end up killing a lot of people that they're not meant to kill.

This supposed to make it sound better?
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Cetacea wrote:Where are Asimovs Rules when we really need them?

It is a little perturbing that some Official actually approved thios thing to go out in to the field without a huge political debate and public outcry!


They're supposedly Turkish. That's why.
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Salus Maior wrote:
Azalfia wrote:
"Autonomous weapons as a concept are not all that new. Landmines are essentially simple autonomous weapons — you step on them and they blow up,"


....And landmines are pretty awful and end up killing a lot of people that they're not meant to kill.

This supposed to make it sound better?

On the one hand... no.

On the other hand, I'm not sure that an AI that was extremely good at killing exactly who you intended it to would be better.
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Postby Azalfia » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:49 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Azalfia wrote:
"Autonomous weapons as a concept are not all that new. Landmines are essentially simple autonomous weapons — you step on them and they blow up,"


....And landmines are pretty awful and end up killing a lot of people that they're not meant to kill.

This supposed to make it sound better?

Yep. Luckily for us, unlike the relatively useless nuclear ban treaty that hasn't actually gotten any nuclear weapons state to sign it, at least yet, but hopefully one day they will, some major states have signed a treaty agreeing not to use these killer robots. Pakistan and Egypt most notably, and heavy emphasis on Pakistan, because i'd argue there willingness to at least in words say they won't use killer robots (ones which, if they did, easily could help them in the fight for Kashmir and even in war with India), is significant.
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