Did Hercules Act Without Honour?

[Grinning Dragon]

It is one of the funny things about that movie. Hades, the villain, makes two deals with Hercules and honors them both. Hercules, the hero, makes one deal with Hades, and then just decides "Fuck you, I do what I want."

Moral of the story: It's okay to lie and cheat as long as you're sure you're the good guy, kids.

In order to be free from a lifetime of imprisonment in Hades, yes lying, cheating, improvising, adapting, overcoming are par for the course as the desire to remain free is paramount.

[Ethel mermania]

Contract wasn't worth the paper it was written on. Hades did not disclose that it was a death trap.

What jurisdiction would be able to rule on this? The Underworld is not a part of any country. Though the Netherlands comes close, with being so low.

Halfway between eurodisney and hell. I think it works

[Atheris]

I mean, Hades did say that Hercules would have to stay. Him being a god or not doesn't come into effect.

That being said, he did act with honor. He just violated the contract.

[Ifreann]

I mean, Hades did say that Hercules would have to stay. Him being a god or not doesn't come into effect.

That being said, he did act with honor. He just violated the contract.

The concept of honour we're dealing with here is as described in Game of Thrones.

[Neanderthaland]

Never watched the cartoon.

But in the mythology, when Hercules "dies" on a funeral pyre, only his mortal half is slain. And his god half goes to join the gods on Olympus.

Holding to the theme, Hercules didn't leave the pool (or whatever) because his dead mortal half is still there.

[Atheris]

I mean, Hades did say that Hercules would have to stay. Him being a god or not doesn't come into effect.

That being said, he did act with honor. He just violated the contract.

The concept of honour we're dealing with here is as described in Game of Thrones.

I haven't watched Game of Thrones and I won't.

[Neanderthaland]

I mean, Hades did say that Hercules would have to stay. Him being a god or not doesn't come into effect.

That being said, he did act with honor. He just violated the contract.

The concept of honour we're dealing with here is as described in Game of Thrones.

I'd say better described by Zuko in season one. But sure.

[Ifreann]

The concept of honour we're dealing with here is as described in Game of Thrones.

I haven't watched Game of Thrones and I won't.

A fair and valid life choice.

[The Blaatschapen]

It is one of the funny things about that movie. Hades, the villain, makes two deals with Hercules and honors them both. Hercules, the hero, makes one deal with Hades, and then just decides "Fuck you, I do what I want."

Moral of the story: It's okay to lie and cheat as long as you're sure you're the good guy, kids.

What if both parties are the bad guy?

Where is that molotov ribbentrop pact?

[The Archregimancy]

And which version do you think an archaeologist is going to favour? The original or Disney?

Asking for a friend.

My good Dr. Jones, you are aware you are under contract to and have been handsomely compensated by the Walt Disney company. Mr. Disney and company have been very good to you, and appreciate and esteem your most important work.. it would be shame if our friendly and mutually rewarding relationship should be damaged by ... such a simple misunderstanding.

I wish to clarify that I, Dr Henry Walton 'Indiana' Jones, Jr., think very highly of the Walt Disney Corporation.

The Walt Disney Corporation has always been highly supportive of my archaeological endeavours, and their biographical documentary films about my fieldwork are characterised by accuracy and verisimilitude - though they may have perhaps indulged in some minor dramatic licence as regards some on-camera statements regarding my relationship with the teenaged Ms Ravenwood in order to add colour to the first documentary.

The Walt Disney Corporation is also highly committed to an accurate representation of Greek mythology. The Walt Disney Corporation's portrayal of Hercules in the musical animation of the same name is the best representation of the myths of Herakles in the history of visual media, and I am happy to endorse Hercules for its accuracy.

I hope this helps to resolve any misunderstandings over my previous statements on this matter.

[Phosphorea]

Come on, you know that anything involving a princess will sell.

OPENING NUMBER:
Chairé, chairé
A lovely day if I may say
There is the gym where athletes play
But poor Ariston, no he may
not play
each day
I say
he has to stay
at home, to tilt the land

la-la-la + orchestral tune that will hum in many a head.

Ariston's father Phil doesn't want him to play at the gym
But Da-a-a-a-a-a-ad!
NO!

Introduction of Ariston's mother, who as a Spartan faces prejudice, but also knows a thing or two about training.

Ariston and mother sing a song wherein he discovers that agricultural labour looks a lot like workout, especially when he also takes over from a sickly, poor sheepdog called Cynic (who is the humorous element of the story).

cut to a palace, where princess Megara doesn't want any prince who hasn't won the Olympiad.

Introduction of king and chief minister, who bear a superficial resemblance to the father of that boy Cinderella marries (because never change a winning concept). Super-cool song about which is better, to have it all and have it now, or just to be loved.

Introduction of evil prince who wants to poison every Olympic champion, and his sidekick.

Eery song about how cheating is the way to go.

Looking for a lost lamb, Ariston finds a) Megara (here comes that song again about love being better than having it all and having it now) and b) the lamb, and c) the poison.

Ariston shows his mother the poison, she is shocked, and urges him to run to the king and save the Olympiad. King is overjoyed to arrest that evil prince + poisoner, and then someone cries out how Ariston must have run faster than any of the athletes to save the day. So he gets a special prize for that run. Which means that Meg wants to marry him.

Mother also gets to head the committee that checks for poisons and drugs (just say NO!), at Meg's insistence.

Blow-the-budget outro song.

I think that I'd prefer Ariston over whatever distorting crap Dr. Jones has just endorsed.
But maybe - as it is set in Greece - maybe Disney could have taken the opportunty to turn this into the one movie where the love pair is gay?

Though that would require Megaros to be a prince who was almost poisoned by his Olympiad rival. Scrap my suggestion: that kind of a movie would be waaaaaay to forward for that hyper-conformist company Disney.

[Heloin]

I don't remember any of this in Hercules. Granted I've only watched the tv show.

[Neanderthaland]

I don't remember any of this in Hercules. Granted I've only watched the tv show.

Did Kevin Sorbo act with honor when he decided to abandon demigodhood to command a starship?

[Elphole]

I don't remember any of this in Hercules. Granted I've only watched the tv show.

Did Kevin Sorbo act with honor when he decided to abandon demigodhood to command a starship?

No, but the lack of Hylas made the series an inaccurate bore to watch.

[Heloin]

I don't remember any of this in Hercules. Granted I've only watched the tv show.

Did Kevin Sorbo act with honor when he decided to abandon demigodhood to command a starship?

I never watched Andromeda so I'm not sure.

[Kermit T Frog]

My good Dr. Jones, you are aware you are under contract to and have been handsomely compensated by the Walt Disney company. Mr. Disney and company have been very good to you, and appreciate and esteem your most important work.. it would be shame if our friendly and mutually rewarding relationship should be damaged by ... such a simple misunderstanding.

I wish to clarify that I, Dr Henry Walton 'Indiana' Jones, Jr., think very highly of the Walt Disney Corporation.

The Walt Disney Corporation has always been highly supportive of my archaeological endeavours, and their biographical documentary films about my fieldwork are characterised by accuracy and verisimilitude - though they may have perhaps some minor dramatic licence as regards some on-camera statements regarding my relationship with the teenaged Ms Ravenwood in order to add colour to the first documentary.

The Walt Disney Corporation is also highly committed to an accurate representation of Greek mythology. The Walt Disney Corporation's portrayal of Hercules in the musical animation of the same name is the best representation of the myths of Herakles in the history of visual media, and I am happy to endorse Hercules for its accuracy.

I hope this helps to resolve any misunderstandings over my previous statements on this matter.

My good Dr. Jones, thank you for clearing that slight misunderstanding of ours up, we look forward to seeing the next installment of your life's work on the big screen. We will just downplay that "opening a tomb causing a world wide curse", thing to our audiences.



<<<< psst Dr. Teeth, we don't need Animal to go on that "special" tour.

[Albrenia]

I don't remember any of this in Hercules. Granted I've only watched the tv show.

Did Kevin Sorbo act with honor when he decided to abandon demigodhood to command a starship?

Kevin Sorbo's character in God's Not Dead is secretly Hercules. Change my mind.

[Neanderthaland]

Did Kevin Sorbo act with honor when he decided to abandon demigodhood to command a starship?

Kevin Sorbo's character in God's Not Dead is secretly Hercules. Change my mind.

Plot twist: God's Not Dead... because I haven't killed him yet!

[Infected Mushroom]

The scenario explores that fine gap (if it exists) between following the terms of a distasteful contract and the personal honors of heroism

Does that space exist, in this scenario, that fine space where Hercules can say “Yes I breached a contract, but I’m still within the ambit of honour?” Alternatively you can argue other contract law principles to try and say there wasn’t a breach etc

I like how Disney cartoons can provoke such critical thinking

[Ifreann]

The scenario explores that fine gap (if it exists) between following the terms of a distasteful contract and the personal honors of heroism

Does that space exist, in this scenario, that fine space where Hercules can say “Yes I breached a contract, but I’m still within the ambit of honour?” Alternatively you can argue other contract law principles to try and say there wasn’t a breach etc

I like how Disney cartoons can provoke such critical thinking

What contract law was even in place in Ancient Greece? In what legal jurisdiction does the realm of Hades fall?

[The Blaatschapen]

The scenario explores that fine gap (if it exists) between following the terms of a distasteful contract and the personal honors of heroism

Does that space exist, in this scenario, that fine space where Hercules can say “Yes I breached a contract, but I’m still within the ambit of honour?” Alternatively you can argue other contract law principles to try and say there wasn’t a breach etc

I like how Disney cartoons can provoke such critical thinking

What contract law was even in place in Ancient Greece? In what legal jurisdiction does the realm of Hades fall?

I am making the case for the Netherlands being the place where the case comes to court. It's close to the underworld by virtue of being low. It has experience with setting up foreign courts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_ ... etherlands and it has plenty of other international tribunals too.

[Ifreann]

What contract law was even in place in Ancient Greece? In what legal jurisdiction does the realm of Hades fall?

I am making the case for the Netherlands being the place where the case comes to court. It's close to the underworld by virtue of being low. It has experience with setting up foreign courts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_ ... etherlands and it has plenty of other international tribunals too.

Well that depends where the underworld is, and how big it is. If it's under Greece then it might not be very close to the Netherlands, despite their famously low elevation.

[The Blaatschapen]

I am making the case for the Netherlands being the place where the case comes to court. It's close to the underworld by virtue of being low. It has experience with setting up foreign courts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_ ... etherlands and it has plenty of other international tribunals too.

Well that depends where the underworld is, and how big it is. If it's under Greece then it might not be very close to the Netherlands, despite their famously low elevation.

It's an underworld, I can only imagine it encompassing everything under the first few kilometers of earth crust.

[Wallenburg]

It's an action adventure cartoon.

[Ifreann]

Well that depends where the underworld is, and how big it is. If it's under Greece then it might not be very close to the Netherlands, despite their famously low elevation.

It's an underworld, I can only imagine it encompassing everything under the first few kilometers of earth crust.

Makes sense.