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Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:39 am**

Kubra wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Why. Buckets are awesome. You can carry liquids in them, wear them like a hat, hell, I even saw a stainless steal bucket used as a part of test stand in OKB.

Yeah, you can store a lot of liquids in em. Like grape juice.

As I’ve probably stated before, modern surveillance technology, given that we drop the concept of personal privacy, will easily allow to supervise every step the citizens make.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:41 am**

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Kubra wrote: Yeah, you can store a lot of liquids in em. Like grape juice.

As I’ve probably stated before, modern surveillance technology, given that we drop the concept of personal privacy, will easily allow to supervise every step the citizens make.

like bucket and grape ownership? Will we have to surveille anyone who buys more than 5 bottles of orange juice?

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:43 am**

Kubra wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:As I’ve probably stated before, modern surveillance technology, given that we drop the concept of personal privacy, will easily allow to supervise every step the citizens make.
like bucket and grape ownership? Will we have to surveille anyone who buys more than 5 bottles of orange juice?

Welol, analyzing such many info can be done by using, say, supercomputers. Wether or not one is trying to home brew something can be detected by using chemical sensors placed in homes. Or under the skin chips that supervise ones chemical statistics. Sure, this is a bit “PMT-ish”, but I’d say that such tech is right around the corner.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:44 am**

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Kubra wrote: like bucket and grape ownership? Will we have to surveille anyone who buys more than 5 bottles of orange juice?

Welol, analyzing such many info can be done by using, say, supercomputers. Wether or not one is trying to home brew something can be detected by using chemical sensors placed in homes. Or under the skin chips that supervise ones chemical statistics. Sure, this is a bit “PMT-ish”, but I’d say that such tech is right around the corner.

bruh, you'd need breathalyser's alongside door locks.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:45 am**

Kubra wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Welol, analyzing such many info can be done by using, say, supercomputers. Wether or not one is trying to home brew something can be detected by using chemical sensors placed in homes. Or under the skin chips that supervise ones chemical statistics. Sure, this is a bit “PMT-ish”, but I’d say that such tech is right around the corner.
bruh, you'd need breathalyser's alongside door locks.

Yes why not. Why just along the door locks though...

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:47 am**

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Kubra wrote: bruh, you'd need breathalyser's alongside door locks.

Yes why not. Why just along the door locks though...

for one thing, we don't replace locks every 6 months.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:48 am**

Kubra wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Yes why not. Why just along the door locks though...
for one thing, we don't replace locks every 6 months.

Excuse me, but I don’t understand that sentence. Do you, amerikans, replace everything every 6 months? (No really I don’t please explain)

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:50 am**

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Kubra wrote: for one thing, we don't replace locks every 6 months.

Excuse me, but I don’t understand that sentence. Do you, amerikans, replace everything every 6 months? (No really I don’t please explain)

breathalyser's, especially when exposed to the elements, have short service life's. Breathalyser's on doors would have to be frequently replaced.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:53 am**

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Kubra wrote: bruh, you'd need breathalyser's alongside door locks.

Yes why not. Why just along the door locks though...

>Secret entrance-way -has entered the conversation

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:53 am**

Kubra wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Excuse me, but I don’t understand that sentence. Do you, amerikans, replace everything every 6 months? (No really I don’t please explain)
breathalyser's, especially when exposed to the elements, have short service life's. Breathalyser's on doors would have to be frequently replaced.

Ah, so that’s what you mean! Well, if I’m correct, breathalyzers don’t cost this much and the government will probably be able to maintain a supply.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:53 am**

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Welol, analyzing such many info can be done by using, say, supercomputers. Wether or not one is trying to home brew something can be detected by using chemical sensors placed in homes. Or under the skin chips that supervise ones chemical statistics. Sure, this is a bit “PMT-ish”, but I’d say that such tech is right around the corner.

You know, I've an easier solution. Just fire all the nukes and wipe humans from Earth, and no one will drink alcohol anymore.

I agree alcohol consumption can lead to lots of problems, but the "solution" you propose, this nightmarish dystopian mass surveillance, is so many orders of magnitude worse than the problem it tries to fix that it's much more like my ironical "nuke" solution than to a real one.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:55 am**

Kilobugya wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Welol, analyzing such many info can be done by using, say, supercomputers. Wether or not one is trying to home brew something can be detected by using chemical sensors placed in homes. Or under the skin chips that supervise ones chemical statistics. Sure, this is a bit “PMT-ish”, but I’d say that such tech is right around the corner.

You know, I've an easier solution. Just fire all the nukes and wipe humans from Earth, and no one will drink alcohol anymore.

I agree alcohol consumption can lead to lots of problems, but the "solution" you propose, this nightmarish dystopian mass surveillance, is so many orders of magnitude worse than the problem it tries to fix that it's much more like my ironical "nuke" solution than to a real one.

I am somewhat fascist and you wonder that I support mass surveillance state? You’re literally talking to a person who doesn’t believe that privacy is a good thing and that’s what you’re saying? TBH I’m somewhat surprised...

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:05 am**

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Kubra wrote: breathalyser's, especially when exposed to the elements, have short service life's. Breathalyser's on doors would have to be frequently replaced.

Ah, so that’s what you mean! Well, if I’m correct, breathalyzers don’t cost this much and the government will probably be able to maintain a supply.

they don't, but it is costly to use them in the millions in conditions that make them degrade quicker.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:09 am**

Kubra wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Ah, so that’s what you mean! Well, if I’m correct, breathalyzers don’t cost this much and the government will probably be able to maintain a supply.
they don't, but it is costly to use them in the millions in conditions that make them degrade quicker.

If we take into account that each and every household of Russia (there are 55 million of them) has to be equipped with a breathalyzer that costs 15 bucks each two times a year that would mean that we have to spend on the program roughly 1.65 billion of dollars to maintain. This is very small compared to financial losses of our country from alcohol which measure “in a couple trillions of roubles” https://www.newkaliningrad.ru/news/brie ... golya.html

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:19 am**

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Kubra wrote: they don't, but it is costly to use them in the millions in conditions that make them degrade quicker.

If we take into account that each and every household of Russia (there are 55 million of them) has to be equipped with a breathalyzer that costs 15 bucks each two times a year that would mean that we have to spend on the program roughly 1.65 billion of dollars to maintain. This is very small compared to financial losses of our country from alcohol which measure “in a couple trillions of roubles” https://www.newkaliningrad.ru/news/brie ... golya.html

from being outdoors and used like all the time, estimate 3-4 times, then factor in the material cost and wages of installation and regular replacement.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:21 am**

Postauthoritarian America wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Already tried that. It just led to the Italian Mafia becoming more powerful.

Not just Italians, Germans, Irish, Blacks, pretty much every race, creed and color got a piece of the bootlegging action. It can be argued that Prohibition, not unlike the so-called war on drugs, was targeted against minority groups, particularly Blacks. Prohibiting anything that human beings find enjoyable and that can be enjoyed without undue harm to others is generally a Bad Thing even without reference to increasing the profit from flouting the prohibition.

I had family members who were bootlegging back then for mobsters. It was an interesting time to be alive.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:22 am**

NationStates Puppet wrote:
Postauthoritarian America wrote:
Not just Italians, Germans, Irish, Blacks, pretty much every race, creed and color got a piece of the bootlegging action. It can be argued that Prohibition, not unlike the so-called war on drugs, was targeted against minority groups, particularly Blacks. Prohibiting anything that human beings find enjoyable and that can be enjoyed without undue harm to others is generally a Bad Thing even without reference to increasing the profit from flouting the prohibition.

‘Let me slam myself into as many things as I can because I like it,’

People in the mosh pit at a punk concert: "Hi everyone, we're things."

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:24 am**

Can't ban foundation on which civilization is build.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:25 am**

Kubra wrote:from being outdoors and used like all the time, estimate 3-4 times, then factor in the material cost and wages of installation and regular replacement.

And ensuring they aren't tampered with or disabled, and that there is no additional entry, and that workarounds (such as a filter you might put in front of your mouth) are not being used and ... it's not just realistic, it would need to a massive cat-and-mouse game with the police, with all the harm and abuses it leads to.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:56 am**

Immoren wrote:Can't ban foundation on which civilization is build.

That is indeed true.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:04 am**

free booze for everyone, tbh

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:14 am**

Bring back wine bricks

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:15 am**

Ethel mermania wrote:Bring back wine bricks

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these days it's grape concentrate, maintains the flavour of the end product.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:43 am**

Azalfia wrote:I have a moral objection to alcohol, but it would be absolutely silly to try to ban it. Society is at a point where maybe instead, we put the money we get from alcohol sales into rehabilitation for addicts, and raising the taxes on alcohol. Putting money towards rehabilitation of alcohol addicts would lower the amount of addicts willing to spend self harming amounts of money on alcohol, and a tax on it would provide a incentive for non addicted drinkers to hold off on buying it.

People who abuse alcohol are already not making rational decisions about their behaviour. Increasing taxes on alcohol will not correct their behaviour, it will only make it more financially costly for them. Someone who drinks €150 of vodka a week is not going to stop doing that if you make it cost €200, they'll just have €50 less every week until they go broke.

Posted: **Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:14 am**

South Reinkalistan wrote:free booze for everyone, tbh

Hei ho, heidi ho! Let's get drunk, and party, yo!

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