Christian Discussion Thread XII: Soter? I hardly know her!

[Luminesa]

Threads are locked at 500 pages, right? What can we discuss that will take up 20 pages? Something controversial, of course. That seems to get the posts flowing.

Fine.

Hypothetical: you get an audience with the pope of the Roman catholic church. Pope Francis.

You will discuss something that is not completely anathema to the doctrine of the church(so no discussions on trying to change their mind on abortion, same sex marriage etc.) . What will you pick?

Me, as an atheist with catholic roots, I'll pick park benches.

Increasingly I see that park benches are unable to be slept upon in a somewhat comfortable manner. I would urge the pope to speak out against it, and use his influence to motivate local catholic politicians in western countries to decide against it. The designs are meant to bully the homeless. We could do without their systemic bullying.

Not quite controversial from a dogma point of view. Nor is it something that the pope would be completely against. But the blatant power move is something to consider.

But what would you pick? You don't have to be a catholic, just try and go for something.

Continuing the efforts to give concrete reconciliation and compensation to Native Americans and First Nations people in the US. And probably coastal erosion, since Pope Francis likes to discuss the environment.

[Sundiata]

Oh well.

[Prima Scriptura]

Were I somehow in charge of the Vatican, I'd do my best to make up some excuse or reformation for why women can be priests or ordained clergy and would try to make the Church truly co-ed. Maybe even making it so men and women within the Church can get married and have children. I suspect that there will be much less temptation for abuses if people can have attachments, provided they can prove that they're able to "let go" of their attachment when the situation calls for that.

Avatar Aang for example, was never required to let go of Katara permanently to access the Avatar state. What the Guru meant was that he just needed to be able to be in a state of mind and emotions where she wouldn't distract or tempt him any.

Look at Sai being progressive. I’m shocked

[Sordhau]

Something controversial, of course. That seems to get the posts flowing.

I suspect that literally nobody will thank you for bringing up one of the recurring controversial discussions that this thread undergoes from time to time.

My man half the time you're participation in this thread starts with a snarky jab at religion you made.

Threads are locked at 500 pages, right? What can we discuss that will take up 20 pages? Something controversial, of course. That seems to get the posts flowing.

We should discuss medieval Orthodox polemics against Latins written by Byzantine monks who, among their many criticisms, condemned the West for depicting Christ in their icons "like a Frank".

Based Byzantine monks opposing whitewashing before it was cool.

Threads are locked at 500 pages, right? What can we discuss that will take up 20 pages? Something controversial, of course. That seems to get the posts flowing.

Fine.

Hypothetical: you get an audience with the pope of the Roman catholic church. Pope Francis.

You will discuss something that is not completely anathema to the doctrine of the church(so no discussions on trying to change their mind on abortion, same sex marriage etc.) . What will you pick?

Me, as an atheist with catholic roots, I'll pick park benches.

Increasingly I see that park benches are unable to be slept upon in a somewhat comfortable manner. I would urge the pope to speak out against it, and use his influence to motivate local catholic politicians in western countries to decide against it. The designs are meant to bully the homeless. We could do without their systemic bullying.

Not quite controversial from a dogma point of view. Nor is it something that the pope would be completely against. But the blatant power move is something to consider.

But what would you pick? You don't have to be a catholic, just try and go for something.

Easy. Ecumenism with the Orthodox Church without demanding they concede on literally every disagree they have.

Considering Rome's history with ecumenism they probably wouldn't do it but a girl can dream.

[Salus Maior]

Based Byzantine monks opposing whitewashing before it was cool.


Easy. Ecumenism with the Orthodox Church without demanding they concede on literally every disagree they have.

Considering Rome's history with ecumenism they probably wouldn't do it but a girl can dream.

As opposed to Greek-washing? Not to mention "whiteness" wouldn't be a concept for a good 600 years or so.

I mean, I could say the same about the Orthodox Church. They're just as stalwart in the idea that they're 100% right and everyone else is wrong.

[Prima Scriptura]

Based Byzantine monks opposing whitewashing before it was cool.


Easy. Ecumenism with the Orthodox Church without demanding they concede on literally every disagree they have.

Considering Rome's history with ecumenism they probably wouldn't do it but a girl can dream.

As opposed to Greek-washing? Not to mention "whiteness" wouldn't be a concept for a good 600 years or so.

I mean, I could say the same about the Orthodox Church. They're just as stalwart in the idea that they're 100% right and everyone else is wrong.

Didn’t the Catholic Church hold this view until Vatican II?

[Tarsonis]

Based Byzantine monks opposing whitewashing before it was cool.


Easy. Ecumenism with the Orthodox Church without demanding they concede on literally every disagree they have.

Considering Rome's history with ecumenism they probably wouldn't do it but a girl can dream.

As opposed to Greek-washing? Not to mention "whiteness" wouldn't be a concept for a good 600 years or so.

I mean, I could say the same about the Orthodox Church. They're just as stalwart in the idea that they're 100% right and everyone else is wrong.

the irony is that the Latin Church is far more willing to make that deal than the Orthodox Church is to take it.

[New Visayan Islands]

Considering that the preconciliar approach to non-Christians, our separated brethren, and our cousins in Abraham was to see them as agents of the Evil One—or, at the very least, perfidious folk—Prima has a point there.

[Sordhau]

Based Byzantine monks opposing whitewashing before it was cool.


Easy. Ecumenism with the Orthodox Church without demanding they concede on literally every disagree they have.

Considering Rome's history with ecumenism they probably wouldn't do it but a girl can dream.

As opposed to Greek-washing? Not to mention "whiteness" wouldn't be a concept for a good 600 years or so.

I mean, I could say the same about the Orthodox Church. They're just as stalwart in the idea that they're 100% right and everyone else is wrong.

"Greek-washing"? My brother in Christ have you ever seen a Greek? There is no obvious physical differences between Mediterranean peoples. Greeks get mistaken for Arabs all the time.

[Fahran]

"Greek-washing"? My brother in Christ have you ever seen a Greek? There is no obvious physical differences between Mediterranean peoples. Greeks get mistaken for Arabs all the time.

Once I learn Arabic, I'll be able to pass as a Chad Yemeni. Though trying to speak Classical Arabic with an American accent is going to be very cursed admittedly.

[Luminesa]

As opposed to Greek-washing? Not to mention "whiteness" wouldn't be a concept for a good 600 years or so.

I mean, I could say the same about the Orthodox Church. They're just as stalwart in the idea that they're 100% right and everyone else is wrong.

"Greek-washing"? My brother in Christ have you ever seen a Greek? There is no obvious physical differences between Mediterranean peoples. Greeks get mistaken for Arabs all the time.

Things you hear in /pol/, ladies and gents and nonbinaries.

[New Visayan Islands]

"Greek-washing"? My brother in Christ have you ever seen a Greek? There is no obvious physical differences between Mediterranean peoples. Greeks get mistaken for Arabs all the time.

Things you hear in /pol/, ladies and gents and nonbinaries.

You mean “guys, gals, and non-binary pals.”

But I digress.

[Salus Maior]

As opposed to Greek-washing? Not to mention "whiteness" wouldn't be a concept for a good 600 years or so.

I mean, I could say the same about the Orthodox Church. They're just as stalwart in the idea that they're 100% right and everyone else is wrong.

"Greek-washing"? My brother in Christ have you ever seen a Greek? There is no obvious physical differences between Mediterranean peoples. Greeks get mistaken for Arabs all the time.

Skin color isn't the only thing (in which case, older Western icons aren't really different from eastern). Jesus and Mary are frequently depicted in the dress of Byzantine royalty, and other cultural symbols. Granted, I understand what these things are meant to convey, but obviously it's not historically accurate to the person of Jesus.

Different cultures are going to depict Jesus in symbols they understand and relate to. And this is ok.

[Salus Maior]

"Greek-washing"? My brother in Christ have you ever seen a Greek? There is no obvious physical differences between Mediterranean peoples. Greeks get mistaken for Arabs all the time.

Once I learn Arabic, I'll be able to pass as a Chad Yemeni. Though trying to speak Classical Arabic with an American accent is going to be very cursed admittedly.

Is it something like this?

[Luminesa]

Once I learn Arabic, I'll be able to pass as a Chad Yemeni. Though trying to speak Classical Arabic with an American accent is going to be very cursed admittedly.

Is it something like this?

Not bad Spanish, just terrible pronunciation.

[Salus Maior]

Is it something like this?

Not bad Spanish, just terrible pronunciation.

I think that's the meme.

[Fahran]

Is it something like this?

My Texan accent isn't that bad.

I actually speak Spanish with a passable Mexican accent. It's just I'm new to Arabic and Italian, and so it's a bit trickier to speak them properly.

Anglo Texans saying gracias amuses me.

[Tarsonis]

Eh, too much effort, just wait for thr next one

Threads are locked at 500 pages, right? What can we discuss that will take up 20 pages? Something controversial, of course. That seems to get the posts flowing.

Well, Sundiata forced my hand by trying to take the thread out from under me, and I went ahead and prepped the next thread in my drafts. I had to open the original for some formatting stuff, so while I was in there i turned it on. People can convert now.

[Saiwania]

It there were an election where only Christians can vote, do people suppose the Christian world would swing towards yes or no on a fully co-ed Church? Where the men and women have the same rights and abilities with no more segregation between them? No more of this Paul the Apostle stuff about women "needing to remain silent" within the Church? All the old sexisms thrown out or ignored?

[Tarsonis]

It there were an election where only Christians can vote, do people suppose the Christian world would swing towards yes or no on a fully co-ed Church? Where the men and women have the same rights and abilities with no more segregation between them? No more of this Paul the Apostle stuff about women "needing to remain silent" within the Church?

You might as well ask what the Church consensus is on She-Hulk's hair cut. How would we know?

[HISPIDA]

Things you hear in /pol/, ladies and gents and nonbinaries.

You mean “guys, gals, and non-binary pals.”

But I digress.

"bitches, bros, and non-binary hoes" also works

[Suriyanakhon]

Based Byzantine monks opposing whitewashing before it was cool.


Easy. Ecumenism with the Orthodox Church without demanding they concede on literally every disagree they have.

Considering Rome's history with ecumenism they probably wouldn't do it but a girl can dream.

As opposed to Greek-washing? Not to mention "whiteness" wouldn't be a concept for a good 600 years or so.

I mean, I could say the same about the Orthodox Church. They're just as stalwart in the idea that they're 100% right and everyone else is wrong.

Orthodox on their way to portray Jesus as a member of their very specific ethnicity which didn't exist at the time he was alive.

[HISPIDA]

As opposed to Greek-washing? Not to mention "whiteness" wouldn't be a concept for a good 600 years or so.

I mean, I could say the same about the Orthodox Church. They're just as stalwart in the idea that they're 100% right and everyone else is wrong.

Orthodox on their way to portray Jesus as a member of their very specific ethnicity which didn't exist at the time he was alive.

God is a phrygian

[Pasong Tirad]

Hypothetical: you get an audience with the pope of the Roman catholic church. Pope Francis.

You will discuss something that is not completely anathema to the doctrine of the church(so no discussions on trying to change their mind on abortion, same sex marriage etc.) . What will you pick?

More cardinals from the global south. Honestly would really be cool if the number of cardinals becomes proportional to the number of Catholics worldwide. Although that might raise a bunch of other questions regarding proportionality, it'd be super cool to just see the College of Cardinals double or triple in size following a one-time mass promotion of cardinals.

I get that Italy still has seniority on all of this because you know where Rome is and whatnot but it's just super weird that Brazil and Mexico both only have six cardinals each and the Philippines, with the third-largest Catholic population in the world, only has four.

Alternatively, more spending of Vatican resources on the church's social programs. Maybe the pope can even hook me up with a couple hundred euros or something that'd really help me out with rent and stuff.

Edit: Just looked it up and he's apparently naming like 16 new cardinals - including a lot of new ones from places that didn't use to have cardinals - in a week that's cool and good. I'd love for there to be more though.

[Dylar]

Were I somehow in charge of the Vatican, I'd do my best to make up some excuse or reformation for why women can be priests or ordained clergy and would try to make the Church truly co-ed. Maybe even making it so men and women within the Church can get married and have children. I suspect that there will be much less temptation for abuses if people can have attachments, provided they can prove that they're able to "let go" of their attachment when the situation calls for that.

yeah thats not how that works