Christian Discussion Thread XII: Soter? I hardly know her!

[Sundiata]

It's useful to know that life involves suffering and that our lifespans are short. There's nothing wrong with these facts either. Our awareness of life comes along with that. It's Jesus Christ who answers what we do in the face of our suffering and the suffering of others. It's an inescapable question, the moments are good when things that are not horrible are happening to us.

What do you think? Doesn't it astound you that God, who has no limitations, chose to abide by mortal limitations and suffer just like we do?

[Loeje]

It's useful to know that life involves suffering and that our lifespans are short. There's nothing wrong with these facts either. Our awareness of life comes along with that. It's Jesus Christ who answers what we do in the face of our suffering and the suffering of others. It's an inescapable question, the moments are good when things that are not horrible are happening to us.

What do you think? Doesn't it astound you that God, who has no limitations, chose to abide by mortal limitations and suffer just like we do?

I don't really disagree with you at all here, but I always thought that it's a little odd that people say that Jesus suffered just like we do. He never sinned, and that's a kind of suffering too, which God never experienced.

[Tarsonis]

It's useful to know that life involves suffering and that our lifespans are short. There's nothing wrong with these facts either. Our awareness of life comes along with that. It's Jesus Christ who answers what we do in the face of our suffering and the suffering of others. It's an inescapable question, the moments are good when things that are not horrible are happening to us.

What do you think? Doesn't it astound you that God, who has no limitations, chose to abide by mortal limitations and suffer just like we do?

I don't really disagree with you at all here, but I always thought that it's a little odd that people say that Jesus suffered just like we do. He never sinned, and that's a kind of suffering too, which God never experienced.

But he did suffer temptation.

[Loeje]

I don't really disagree with you at all here, but I always thought that it's a little odd that people say that Jesus suffered just like we do. He never sinned, and that's a kind of suffering too, which God never experienced.

But he did suffer temptation.

Yes, of course, but that's a little different.

[Salus Maior]

But he did suffer temptation.

Yes, of course, but that's a little different.

Not sinning is a lot more difficult and painful than sinning.

[Loeje]

Yes, of course, but that's a little different.

Not sinning is a lot more difficult and painful than sinning.

That's true.

[Lower Nubia]

It's useful to know that life involves suffering and that our lifespans are short. There's nothing wrong with these facts either. Our awareness of life comes along with that. It's Jesus Christ who answers what we do in the face of our suffering and the suffering of others. It's an inescapable question, the moments are good when things that are not horrible are happening to us.

What do you think? Doesn't it astound you that God, who has no limitations, chose to abide by mortal limitations and suffer just like we do?

I don't really disagree with you at all here, but I always thought that it's a little odd that people say that Jesus suffered just like we do. He never sinned, and that's a kind of suffering too, which God never experienced.

Sins can produce physical suffering (murder/adultery/neglect/etc), but they aren’t a necessity of all human suffering, as much as they are part of what can be suffered. Christ is analogous not because he suffers every type of suffering that humans dish out to each other, but because he can suffer what is applicable to all people; pain, grief, death, etc.

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[Sundiata]

It's useful to know that life involves suffering and that our lifespans are short. There's nothing wrong with these facts either. Our awareness of life comes along with that. It's Jesus Christ who answers what we do in the face of our suffering and the suffering of others. It's an inescapable question, the moments are good when things that are not horrible are happening to us.

What do you think? Doesn't it astound you that God, who has no limitations, chose to abide by mortal limitations and suffer just like we do?

I don't really disagree with you at all here, but I always thought that it's a little odd that people say that Jesus suffered just like we do. He never sinned, and that's a kind of suffering too, which God never experienced.

As human beings, whether we sin or not we experience physical suffering. It's inevitable.

In his humanity, Jesus Christ adopted the same physical suffering we all experience. When he was finally crucified, he felt everything.

[Sundiata]

Yes, of course, but that's a little different.

Not sinning is a lot more difficult and painful than sinning.

Materially, I don't think so. Even Christ himself was alone, tempted, and condemned to death.

Like Christ bearing the cross we all have to bear the burden of disordered longings and sin until it crucifies us.

[Salus Maior]

Torched church count is up to 15 in Canada now.

Nobody want to say anything, still?

[Lower Nubia]

Torched church count is up to 15 in Canada now.

Nobody want to say anything, still?

Isn’t the Pope scheduled to visit in December?

[Tarsonis]

Torched church count is up to 15 in Canada now.

Nobody want to say anything, still?

what exactly is there to say?

[Salus Maior]

Torched church count is up to 15 in Canada now.

Nobody want to say anything, still?

what exactly is there to say?

I don’t know, something instead of nothing?

[North Washington Republic]

Torched church count is up to 15 in Canada now.

Nobody want to say anything, still?

I don’t read that much news from Canada but this isn’t the the right way to express one’s legitimate historical trauma. Pope Francis needs to visit Canada and the indigenous communities that were historically harmed by the Church ASAP. December isn’t soon enough. He is really good at de-escalation, and that is needed right now.

[Tarsonis]

what exactly is there to say?

I don’t know, something instead of nothing?

I mean. Yes it's bad. Yes it should be stopped. The Church will endure. Same thing we've been saying

[Sundiata]

Torched church count is up to 15 in Canada now.

Nobody want to say anything, still?

We must stay strong and pray for those who trespass against us.

[Lower Nubia]

what exactly is there to say?

I don’t know, something instead of nothing?

That’s an atheists answer for the universes origins. Only so much can be said for these incidents though.

[Sundiata]

I don’t know, something instead of nothing?

That’s an atheists answer for the universes origins. Only so much can be said for these incidents though.

The church will overcome and justice will be received.

[Lower Nubia]

That’s an atheists answer for the universes origins. Only so much can be said for these incidents though.

The church will overcome and justice will be received.

Sure, but the damage to evangelism for this generation of Canadians is done. This is the Generation Z, and Millennials, equivalent of the Duplessis Orphans for the Boomers. They’ll never come to the Church.

[Sundiata]

The church will overcome and justice will be received.

Sure, but the damage to evangelism for this generation of Canadians is done. This is the Generation Z, and Millennials, equivalent of the Duplessis Orphans for the Boomers. They’ll never come to the Church.

We can evangelize, we can produce good fruit, but there are those who will deny our Messiah as there always have been. Nonetheless, we have to remain open to those that do. The church was composed of only twelve people. We're now at least a billion strong.

Stay close to your church and don't let anyone rip you away. You'll find joy there.

[Luminesa]

The church will overcome and justice will be received.

Sure, but the damage to evangelism for this generation of Canadians is done. This is the Generation Z, and Millennials, equivalent of the Duplessis Orphans for the Boomers. They’ll never come to the Church.

The man looks like Huey Long, which…probably explains a fair bit.

Nevertheless, Christ knows all scars and all pains, and all of the injustices done by individuals with cruelty in their hearts. He hears the cry of the widow and the orphan. We can only pray for them.

As for this generation of Canadians, who knows. Pope Francis is hoping to go meet with FN people in December, and God works in ways that we as people do not always understand. Underneath all of the scar tissue, perhaps, is the new start many Canadian Christians need.

[Luminesa]

Torched church count is up to 15 in Canada now.

Nobody want to say anything, still?

I don’t read that much news from Canada but this isn’t the the right way to express one’s legitimate historical trauma. Pope Francis needs to visit Canada and the indigenous communities that were historically harmed by the Church ASAP. December isn’t soon enough. He is really good at de-escalation, and that is needed right now.

The local diocese also have a job to do. A heavy one, of course.

[Sundiata]

I don’t read that much news from Canada but this isn’t the the right way to express one’s legitimate historical trauma. Pope Francis needs to visit Canada and the indigenous communities that were historically harmed by the Church ASAP. December isn’t soon enough. He is really good at de-escalation, and that is needed right now.

The local diocese also have a job to do. A heavy one, of course.

Yeah, the bishops, priests, and parishioners can definitely have a positive impact.

[Lower Nubia]

Sure, but the damage to evangelism for this generation of Canadians is done. This is the Generation Z, and Millennials, equivalent of the Duplessis Orphans for the Boomers. They’ll never come to the Church.

We can evangelize, we can produce good fruit, but there are those who will deny our Messiah as there always have been. Nonetheless, we have to remain open to those that do. The church was composed of only twelve people. We're now at least a billion strong.

Stay close to your church and don't let anyone rip you away. You'll find joy there.

Of course we still can and will. But the first question they’ll ask: “didn’t you lot kill all those kids in that school?” And yes the Church in that area did. That is already on top of people’s lack of desire to automatically associate religion as the natural state, as it was 100 years ago. Today, atheism is the default state and that on top of everything else has to be overcome.

[North Washington Republic]

We can evangelize, we can produce good fruit, but there are those who will deny our Messiah as there always have been. Nonetheless, we have to remain open to those that do. The church was composed of only twelve people. We're now at least a billion strong.

Stay close to your church and don't let anyone rip you away. You'll find joy there.

Of course we still can and will. But the first question they’ll ask: “didn’t you lot kill all those kids in that school?” And yes the Church in that area did. That is already on top of people’s lack of desire to automatically associate religion as the natural state, as it was 100 years ago. Today, atheism is the default state and that on top of everything else has to be overcome.

Atheism is definitely not the default state in the United States. Maybe Western and Northern Europe.