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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
232
33%
Eastern Orthodox
58
8%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
75
11%
Anglican/Episcopalian
39
6%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
68
10%
Methodist
16
2%
Baptist
55
8%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
43
6%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
29
4%
Other Christian
90
13%
 
Total votes : 705

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Postby Luminesa » Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:06 am

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Christ died not for the people of 1st century AD Judea, but for all people for all times.


Yes, but none of us were alive back then. Holding us all responsible for Christ's death would be untrue.

So the sin which was the wall between Adam and Eve was not necessarily an active sin which all of humanity did together. Our personal sins are one thing. Original sin is more of a mark that has been passed through humanity. In His death and resurrection, Jesus shows He is stronger than original sin, and has the power to bridge the gap between our smallness and His infinity.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:08 am

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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby Sundiata » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:44 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Tolerance and respect are not weaknesses.


No, but the Gathering Hymnal is : P

That was nice to hear, but really, the Jesuits I've met are perfectly nice priests. I just prefer the Priestly Society of the Holy Cross (PSHC) to Jesuit catechesis. In my encounters with priests of the PSHC there was no lukewarmness. My role in the world was emphasized, my purpose in the world was emphasized. It's not a tiny deal that our Messiah was a carpenter. It's not a coincidence that St. Joseph is known as the worker. Reciprocating God's love, simply, is our job to do as Christians. Our conduct has to be so well ordered so that our coalition of Christ beatifies the world.

Money is something PSHC priests taught me about. There is a story of a "sad lad," in the bible who walked away from our Lord forlornly. A young rich man chose death by his refusal to give to the poor the financial compensation and charity that is due to them. The young rich man lost his happiness. In contrast, there's the example of our Mother who said yes to our Lord. That's an important part of our purpose that I felt was lacking when I received Jesuit catechesis. The emphasis on ordinary things, things like money.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:49 am


seizing the means of ordination

also
He had been scheduled to receive the Bundesverdienstkreuz

try saying that 5 times fast :lol2:
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:51 am

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Christ died not for the people of 1st century AD Judea, but for all people for all times.


Yes, but none of us were alive back then. Holding us all responsible for Christ's death would be untrue.

For what purpose do you think Christ died?
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Postby Loeje » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:53 am

Kowani wrote:

seizing the means of ordination

also
He had been scheduled to receive the Bundesverdienstkreuz

try saying that 5 times fast :lol2:

I can. It's not that hard. :p
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:55 am

Luminesa wrote:Rather, Sheol is a place of rest and of wandering for souls. It’s...dreary, but not a place of burning fire. St. Joseph, the prophets, and the virtuous pagans all hung here until Jesus opened the doors. That means most of those people are probably in Heaven.

How is Sheol not a lesser degree of hell?
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:55 am

Loeje wrote:
Kowani wrote:seizing the means of ordination

also
He had been scheduled to receive the Bundesverdienstkreuz

try saying that 5 times fast :lol2:

I can. It's not that hard. :p

-_-
you don't say
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:56 am

Kowani wrote:
Loeje wrote:I can. It's not that hard. :p

-_-
you don't say


I feel like Germanic languages are more difficult for primarily Latin speakers.

At least, those are the people I hear complain about German the most :P
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:00 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:-_-
you don't say


I feel like Germanic languages are more difficult for primarily Latin speakers.

At least, those are the people I hear complain about German the most :P

What is your preferred language to read scripture?
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:02 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:-_-
you don't say


I feel like Germanic languages are more difficult for primarily Latin speakers.

At least, those are the people I hear complain about German the most :P

they're very deserved complaints
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:02 am

Sundiata wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I feel like Germanic languages are more difficult for primarily Latin speakers.

At least, those are the people I hear complain about German the most :P

What is your preferred language to read scripture?


English. Since that's all I can speak and read well enough.

I know a bit of German though.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby Atheris » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:03 am

Sundiata wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I feel like Germanic languages are more difficult for primarily Latin speakers.

At least, those are the people I hear complain about German the most :P

What is your preferred language to read scripture?

I use a 1912 Lutheran German Bible. Even if it's a protestant bible and the plurality of people I talk to are Catholics I think that the further back you go in the bible the more accurate it will be.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:03 am

Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I feel like Germanic languages are more difficult for primarily Latin speakers.

At least, those are the people I hear complain about German the most :P

they're very deserved complaints


Still haven't forgiven Teutoburg Forest, huh? :P
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby Atheris » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:03 am

Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I feel like Germanic languages are more difficult for primarily Latin speakers.

At least, those are the people I hear complain about German the most :P

they're very deserved complaints

What's wrong, Kowani? You don't want to be a part of the Donaudampfschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft? :p
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Postby Loeje » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:05 am

Kowani wrote:
Loeje wrote:I can. It's not that hard. :p

-_-
you don't say

It really isn't that hard if you know German. Sorry. :hug:

Sundiata wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I feel like Germanic languages are more difficult for primarily Latin speakers.

At least, those are the people I hear complain about German the most :P

What is your preferred language to read scripture?

I like German better, but I usually read in English now.
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:06 am

Atheris wrote:
Sundiata wrote:What is your preferred language to read scripture?

I use a 1912 Lutheran German Bible. Even if it's a protestant bible and the plurality of people I talk to are Catholics I think that the further back you go in the bible the more accurate it will be.

Why do you use a Lutheran German bible from 1912?
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Postby Atheris » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:07 am

Sundiata wrote:
Atheris wrote:I use a 1912 Lutheran German Bible. Even if it's a protestant bible and the plurality of people I talk to are Catholics I think that the further back you go in the bible the more accurate it will be.

Why do you use a Lutheran German bible from 1912?

Like I said. It's the oldest one I can find on the internet, and I feel like the older you go back with the Bible the more accurate it will be.

Also, I need to brush up on my German and it's good practice.
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Postby Dylar » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:08 am

Atheris wrote:
Sundiata wrote:What is your preferred language to read scripture?

I use a 1912 Lutheran German Bible. Even if it's a protestant bible and the plurality of people I talk to are Catholics I think that the further back you go in the bible the more accurate it will be.

If that's the case, then might I recommend the Latin Vulgate?
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:10 am

Dylar wrote:
Atheris wrote:I use a 1912 Lutheran German Bible. Even if it's a protestant bible and the plurality of people I talk to are Catholics I think that the further back you go in the bible the more accurate it will be.

If that's the case, then might I recommend the Latin Vulgate?

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Postby Loeje » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:10 am

Atheris wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Why do you use a Lutheran German bible from 1912?

Like I said. It's the oldest one I can find on the internet, and I feel like the older you go back with the Bible the more accurate it will be.

Also, I need to brush up on my German and it's good practice.

I think Bible Gateway might have an older Lutherbibel.

Edit: Yes, they have 1545.
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:12 am

Atheris wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Why do you use a Lutheran German bible from 1912?

Like I said. It's the oldest one I can find on the internet, and I feel like the older you go back with the Bible the more accurate it will be.

Also, I need to brush up on my German and it's good practice.

Not to startle you, but I have many questions about Martin Luther and Lutheranism itself. Do you subscribe to the five solas?
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Postby Atheris » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:13 am

Dylar wrote:
Atheris wrote:I use a 1912 Lutheran German Bible. Even if it's a protestant bible and the plurality of people I talk to are Catholics I think that the further back you go in the bible the more accurate it will be.

If that's the case, then might I recommend the Latin Vulgate?

Is there an online version?
Regardless, Latin's Google Translate is iffy at best and I don't speak it. Latin? More like Craptin Image
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Postby Atheris » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:13 am

Sundiata wrote:
Atheris wrote:Like I said. It's the oldest one I can find on the internet, and I feel like the older you go back with the Bible the more accurate it will be.

Also, I need to brush up on my German and it's good practice.

Not to startle you, but I have many questions about Martin Luther and Lutheranism itself. Do you subscribe to the five solas?

I'm not a Lutheran. I've been non-denominational since 2019.
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:15 am

Atheris wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Not to startle you, but I have many questions about Martin Luther and Lutheranism itself. Do you subscribe to the five solas?

I'm not a Lutheran. I've been non-denominational since 2019.

Makes sense. Do you agree with the five solas though? And what brought you to believe that Jesus is Lord?
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