NS lenient on Nazi's?

[Belschaft]

Recently I've seen a couple of posters using names directly referencing the Nazi's or other extreme far right groups (who many consider to be Nazi's in all but name), as well as sticking Hitler fan stuff in their sig's, motto's and so on.

Know I know use of the swastika is banned for certain, and I've always assumed that other openly Nazi worshiping behaviour was as well.

Am I wrong, or is NS really going lenient on Nazi fanciers?

[Khadgar]

They're free to voice whatever opinions they want. Until they run into a mod on a bitchy day and they get smacked for trolling.

[Maurepas]

I would ask, why wouldnt we be?

While obviously the Nazis were vile scum, Free speech, is Free speech, and should be unfettered, I dont even like them banning swastikas...

[The Pythonlands]

I agree. Let's protest against the mods.

THIS WILL BE FUN!!!

[Flammable Ice]

Banning people for their opinions would just make them feel justified.

[Minnas]

It's an opinion thing. If they want to be Nazi, let them. As long as they don't act like Nazis in the forum I don't see a problem with their NS names.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

freedom of speech, oh that old illusion.
I don't know why some folks take to using Nazi style stuff, although i did read in one BBC article that the number of hate websites denying the holocaust has increased from one in the beginning to 8,000.
scary stuff, it's like people don't know what war is anymore.

[Buffett and Colbert]

You will find very few real Nazi supporters here. Many like to joke a lot. If you're going to play here, you have to develope your ear for sarcasm.

[Constans]

I would ask, why wouldnt we be?

While obviously the Nazis were vile scum, Free speech, is Free speech, and should be unfettered, I dont even like them banning swastikas...

This. If they don't bother me, then I don't care. They have their own political views just as I do and does the rest of NS.

[The Romulan Republic]

Personally I've always opposed the Swastika ban. There are good reasons for free speech, and free speech by its nature needs to apply to speech most people find offensive. Besides, making reference to or quoting Hitler doesn't nessissarily equate to liking or worshiping him. "Who many consider to be Nazi's in all but name" is pretty damn vague. The OP poster should provide specific examples if they wish to be taken seriously.

[Escafin]

Note: IC, I believe some forms of fascism and extremist behavior is acceptable. My main nation, Augarundus, is a 'Communist Imperial Reich' with genocidal tendencies... but I don't try to OOC support this. In fact, I purposely make my nations extremely flawed.

[The_pantless_hero]

Am I wrong, or is NS really going lenient on Nazi fanciers?

As opposed to being a Nazi Nazi?

Man, I win.

[Treznor]

The problem with protecting free speech is that you sometimes have to suffer speech you don't like. Nazi sympathizers are allowed to speak their piece here, so long as they don't get offensive in their speech (it rarely takes long before they degenerate into it anyway). Of course, there's nothing saying we can't challenge Nazi sympathizers on their opinions, and a lot of people do.

So I don't see it as NS being lenient on Nazis, just big on free speech. "Free speech" is not the same as "unchallenged speech."

[Mad hatters in jeans]

I sense danger ahead i'm abandoning ship.
*flees*

[Bikini Bottom Republic]

I agree. Let's protest against the mods.

THIS WILL BE FUN!!!

Protest, protest, protest...

[Buffett and Colbert]

I was quite annoyed when my mother wouldn't let me buy a Nazi era coin from ebay... It's not like I agree with the Nazis! I just want a piece of the history. Remembering the past doesn't change it, so why all the opposition to any references to the Nazis?

[Bikini Bottom Republic]

Oh! I know. Somebody found a Nazist nation! I think I will! YAY!

I am so evil!

[The Romulan Republic]

The problem with protecting free speech is that you sometimes have to suffer speech you don't like. Nazi sympathizers are allowed to speak their piece here, so long as they don't get offensive in their speech (it rarely takes long before they degenerate into it anyway). Of course, there's nothing saying we can't challenge Nazi sympathizers on their opinions, and a lot of people do.

So I don't see it as NS being lenient on Nazis, just big on free speech. "Free speech" is not the same as "unchallenged speech."

In fact, if we banned them, we would be unable to challenge and confront there opinions in an open debate.

Censorship merely limits the options of the censor, and validates the views of the censored. From a purely practical point of view, its a poor tactic.

[Farnhamia]

The problem with protecting free speech is that you sometimes have to suffer speech you don't like. Nazi sympathizers are allowed to speak their piece here, so long as they don't get offensive in their speech (it rarely takes long before they degenerate into it anyway). Of course, there's nothing saying we can't challenge Nazi sympathizers on their opinions, and a lot of people do.

So I don't see it as NS being lenient on Nazis, just big on free speech. "Free speech" is not the same as "unchallenged speech."

Just so. We see this a lot here, people getting all "I'm entitled to my opinion!" when someone challenges them on a post. You can say pretty much any damn-fool thing you want here but saying it's your personal opinion does not exempt you from being called on it. Or make you exempt from Mod action.

[ThinkPads]

I would like to point out that Nazis, i.e. National Socialists, were a far-Left phenomenon, and were properly recognized as such for years, until the Soviet Union under Stalin decided to label what it properly viewed as a strong competitor to is own socialist ideology as "right-wing." I've never seen anyone believe that Trotsky was right-wing, but for some reason, people are still in the dark and confused regarding the National Socialists.

[Ifreann]

Stormfront must be down, they'll leave in a while.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Recently I've seen a couple of posters using names directly referencing the Nazi's or other extreme far right groups (who many consider to be Nazi's in all but name), as well as sticking Hitler fan stuff in their sig's, motto's and so on.

Know I know use of the swastika is banned for certain, and I've always assumed that other openly Nazi worshiping behaviour was as well.

Am I wrong, or is NS really going lenient on Nazi fanciers?

Basically, a new scheme has been rolled out worldwide through which all those under the age of 13 have to wear a specially adapted Virtual Reality helmet in order to access the internet. The Barrybrain AI at the centre of this site then reads their brains and determines their age and mental abilities. The Barrybrain is now able to tell whether people are espousing Nazi views and/or openly admiring Hitler out of genuine ideological commitment (boo! hiss!) or instead do so due to an immature desire to be "like totally edgy, ZOMG", which is clearly way cool and therefore rightly avoids the brutal hammer of modly justice.

[Khadgar]

Stormfront must be down, they'll leave in a while.

It's June. They'll go away in two months.

[Luchsandria]

I would hardly call NS lenient on Nazis, considering that we've reached quorum on a proposed condemnation resolution for the region of Nazi Europe.

[Belschaft]

Observation not objection guys


Examples off the top of my head would be Allied Nazi's name, and BNP Britain for referning a group of proto- Nazi's and Hitler worship in the sig

I just remember the mods coming down harder on stuff like that before