1807 children found buried at former Canadian schools

[Nakena]

They should held them responsible for the suspected murder/manslaughter whatever of 215 children and declare the Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate (the organization who ran the school) a banned organization and mass arrest their leadership seize all documents and possible evidence.

Fuck all this talk about reconciliation.

They should publish images from the forensic and archeological exavacations and as well show the skulls and the remains of those that perished. Also start more diggings and investigations, because given previous incidents there might be a pattern here.

[SD_Film Artists]

So the mask slips on what would be a heartfelt memorial thread- instead being sedition borne from racist hypocisy. Can I occupy Norwich Castle because the Saxons didn't agree to it being built on land which they in-turn took from post-Roman Britons which in-turn took land from my Celtic ancestors? This is race-based disunity at its core. A modern state would unify regardless of race rather than supporting ethnostate policies.

I'm not sure if it's their mask slipping or yours.

No slipping here, I've always supported collectivism over tribalism. Also my signature has been as it is for years.

Are we talking about areas that are still majority-indigenous where they're asking for self-determination, or are we talking about people claiming "rightful ownership" over vast swaths of predominantly-white-inhabited land?

If it's a region that is still majority indigenous, and there's a geographic identity to go alongside the racial one, then I can kinda sympathize with that and I don't think it's fair to chew them out.

It doesn't matter either way as race is nothing. We're all human and shouldn't be driven apart.

So the mask slips on what would be a heartfelt memorial thread- instead being sedition borne from racist hypocisy. Can I occupy Norwich Castle because the Saxons didn't agree to it being built on land which they in-turn took from post-Roman Britons which in-turn took land from my Celtic ancestors?

Do you have legal title to that land?

I've got an underdog story so I guess that's all that matters.

This is race-based disunity at its core. A modern state would unify regardless of race rather than supporting ethnostate policies.

Ah yes nothing says 'promoting racial unity' like completing the historical process of dispossessing people

https://medium.com/@robert.f.williams/three-native-american-creation-myths-a20ec9129c6

There was also an issue about scientists finding further evidence to the American-Asia landbridge which angered some native Americans because it went against their religion, just as some modern Christians don't like the idea that something can be more than 6,000 years old.

That's not why people oppose the land bridge theory. For one, it was based on assumptions of the relative sophistication of the indigenous peoples of the America - specifically that the only way they could have arrived in the Americas is if there was a land bridge. Geological research and discoveries of ever-increasingly old sites of human occupation have put lie to that theory, as humans have now been proven to have arrived before the land bridge would have supported a crossing. Instead the evidence supports the idea that ocean-going people travelled down the coast much earlier than previously thought, such as the existence of settlement sites dated to 14 000 BP in BC's central coast, where Heiltsuk oral history says that there was a settlement during the last ice age.

Whether by boat or foot, the Navajo people and other tribes are incorrect in thinking that their ancestors never came from Asia.

[Risottia]

What was all that bullshit I was hearing recently about how Canada is so much better than America? Canada not only treated its native people poorly but continues to do so and allegedly they're much more liberal and tolerant than us and have always been.

Just imagine how nice the US were to the native population if even Canada managed to be less genocidal.

[Nakena]

Who the flying fuck cares about a fucking landbridge that existed in the last ice age and how the fuck is that relevant to this thread? No it isnt. Get fucking real.

Full stop.

215 children were possibly murdered at that school and their deaths covered up

And people are all being applying double standards to it because its so oh-so-special-catholic church. no. fuck that. by doing so all its happening that such shit is further legitimized because its the catholic church or whatever and somehow that makes all those things forgiveable and its ok then and people get away with a slap on the wrist.

[Kowani]

What was all that bullshit I was hearing recently about how Canada is so much better than America? Canada not only treated its native people poorly but continues to do so and allegedly they're much more liberal and tolerant than us and have always been.

Just imagine how nice the US were to the native population if even Canada managed to be less genocidal.

Note: the US had these exact same schools, including the point of forcibly taking native children from their parents

[SD_Film Artists]

Just imagine how nice the US were to the native population if even Canada managed to be less genocidal.

Note: the US had these exact same schools, including the point of forcibly taking native children from their parents

It's like they took a good idea of cross-community homogenisation and then just had to be evil about it for the sake of the plot.

[Ifreann]

I'm not sure if it's their mask slipping or yours.

No slipping here, I've always supported collectivism over tribalism. Also my signature has been as it is for years.

Are we talking about areas that are still majority-indigenous where they're asking for self-determination, or are we talking about people claiming "rightful ownership" over vast swaths of predominantly-white-inhabited land?

If it's a region that is still majority indigenous, and there's a geographic identity to go alongside the racial one, then I can kinda sympathize with that and I don't think it's fair to chew them out.

It doesn't matter either way as race is nothing. We're all human and shouldn't be driven apart.

Do you have legal title to that land?

I've got an underdog story so I guess that's all that matters.

Ah yes nothing says 'promoting racial unity' like completing the historical process of dispossessing people



That's not why people oppose the land bridge theory. For one, it was based on assumptions of the relative sophistication of the indigenous peoples of the America - specifically that the only way they could have arrived in the Americas is if there was a land bridge. Geological research and discoveries of ever-increasingly old sites of human occupation have put lie to that theory, as humans have now been proven to have arrived before the land bridge would have supported a crossing. Instead the evidence supports the idea that ocean-going people travelled down the coast much earlier than previously thought, such as the existence of settlement sites dated to 14 000 BP in BC's central coast, where Heiltsuk oral history says that there was a settlement during the last ice age.

Whether by boat or foot, the Navajo people and other tribes are incorrect in thinking that their ancestors never came from Asia.

Seems a lot like you have a problem with indigenous Americans in general. Which is weird.

[Dakini]

Europeans are ruthless.

Canadians are European now?

On topic though, holy shit this is terrible.

I mean, our first Prime Minister was from Scotland and he started the residential school system.

[SD_Film Artists]

No slipping here, I've always supported collectivism over tribalism. Also my signature has been as it is for years.



It doesn't matter either way as race is nothing. We're all human and shouldn't be driven apart.



I've got an underdog story so I guess that's all that matters.



Whether by boat or foot, the Navajo people and other tribes are incorrect in thinking that their ancestors never came from Asia.

Seems a lot like you have a problem with indigenous Americans in general. Which is weird.

Nothing wrong with indigenous Americans at all, just some of the identity politics.

Infact my first NS region back in 2005 was ran by a Native American and we were good friends.Yes I know that may come across as 'I can't be racist I have black friends' but w/e it's some good NS memories

[Ifreann]

Seems a lot like you have a problem with indigenous Americans in general. Which is weird.

Nothing wrong with indigenous Americans at all, just some of the identity politics.

Infact my first NS region back in 2005 was ran by a Native American and we were good friends.Yes I know that may come across as 'I can't be racist I have black friends' but w/e it's some good NS memories

You brought up the religious beliefs of entirely different indigenous people just to be mad at them.

[The Free Joy State]

Just imagine how nice the US were to the native population if even Canada managed to be less genocidal.

Note: the US had these exact same schools, including the point of forcibly taking native children from their parents

Such 'schools' -- openly aimed at erasing culture -- were also found in Central and South America and the Caribbean (closed between the 60s and 70s), Australia (which continued until the 70s; and Rabbit Proof Fence is a good film on this), and in New Zealand (the last closed in 1969) and Scandinavia (Sami has been allowed in schools since the 1960s).

[Dakini]

Nothing wrong with indigenous Americans at all, just some of the identity politics.

Infact my first NS region back in 2005 was ran by a Native American and we were good friends.Yes I know that may come across as 'I can't be racist I have black friends' but w/e it's some good NS memories

So you have no problem with First Nations people, you just advocate the eradication of their languages and cultures and are indifferent when their children are stolen from them, abused and sometimes killed?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Note: the US had these exact same schools, including the point of forcibly taking native children from their parents

Such 'schools' -- openly aimed at erasing culture -- were also found in Central and South America and the Caribbean (closed between the 60s and 70s), Australia (which continued until the 70s; and Rabbit Proof Fence is a good film on this), and in New Zealand (the last closed in 1969) and Scandinavia (Sami has been allowed in schools since the 1960s).

I'm sure the Chinese did something like this 2000 years ago. We know much of the modern Han Chinese population is made up of people whose ancestors were forcibly assimilated into the Han.

[SD_Film Artists]

Nothing wrong with indigenous Americans at all, just some of the identity politics.

Infact my first NS region back in 2005 was ran by a Native American and we were good friends.Yes I know that may come across as 'I can't be racist I have black friends' but w/e it's some good NS memories

You brought up the religious beliefs of entirely different indigenous people just to be mad at them.

Exactly how is it legally theirs? Are they inciting rebellion and if so why should they have federal funds if they don't wish to be a part of Canada? Not to mention that their 'Nation' probably gained their land without a treaty as contrary to their religion* they didn't just pop out of the ground. In short, it's probably just 'boats bad' again.

*this might not apply to all North American tribes, but at least some take the 'native' thing literally, ie none of their ancestors knew Africa despite scientific evidence to the contrary.

I'm not sure were you think I was "mad" but North America includes both Canada and America/US.

[Ifreann]

You brought up the religious beliefs of entirely different indigenous people just to be mad at them.

Exactly how is it legally theirs? Are they inciting rebellion and if so why should they have federal funds if they don't wish to be a part of Canada? Not to mention that their 'Nation' probably gained their land without a treaty as contrary to their religion* they didn't just pop out of the ground. In short, it's probably just 'boats bad' again.

*this might not apply to all North American tribes, but at least some take the 'native' thing literally, ie none of their ancestors knew Africa despite scientific evidence to the contrary.

I'm not sure were you think I was "mad" but North America includes both Canada and America/US.

And the various people indigenous to North America are, you know, various. The Iroquois, Yakama, and Cherokee people mentioned in that Medium article are different people than the Secwépemc. It's weird to be dismissive of legal claims to land in Canada because someone else from the same continent takes literally their creation myth despite it being contradicted by the evidence. It would be like saying that Sami property rights cases, if there are such things, should be thrown out because someone somewhere believes that you can climb Mount Olympus and literally shake hands with Zeus.

[Risottia]

Note: the US had these exact same schools, including the point of forcibly taking native children from their parents

Such 'schools' -- openly aimed at erasing culture -- were also found in Central and South America and the Caribbean (closed between the 60s and 70s), Australia (which continued until the 70s; and Rabbit Proof Fence is a good film on this), and in New Zealand (the last closed in 1969) and Scandinavia (Sami has been allowed in schools since the 1960s).

To a lesser degree, Italy made the same thing in the late 1800's with its "italianisation" policies, which de facto erased regional languages especially in the largest cities of North (the area that was the target of internal immigration, because there was a need for a common language). And then Italy chose to go heavy-handed on the italianisation of South Tyrol (causing turmoils that lasted from the '20s to the '70s) and even heavier with the attempted italianisation by genocide and ethnical cleansing of Istria, Dalmatia and Kvarner.

[SD_Film Artists]

Nothing wrong with indigenous Americans at all, just some of the identity politics.

Infact my first NS region back in 2005 was ran by a Native American and we were good friends.Yes I know that may come across as 'I can't be racist I have black friends' but w/e it's some good NS memories

So you have no problem with First Nations people, you just advocate the eradication of their languages and cultures and are indifferent when their children are stolen from them, abused and sometimes killed?

Is that you Vassenor? Baseless rhetoricals seem to be the fashion now.

[Comfed]

The people who organized this garbage and then tried to cover it up should be punished. In Canada, residential schools are mostly taught about in schools, but are generally treated like a thing of the past, and ongoing problems are certainly not mentioned. It’s disgusting.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The people who organized this garbage and then tried to cover it up should be punished. In Canada, residential schools are mostly taught about in schools, but are generally treated like a thing of the past, and ongoing problems are certainly not mentioned. It’s disgusting.

Justin Trudeau wants you to forget about all the native American women who were murdered or went missing last year and the year before that and the year before that and the year before that and the year before that and-.

[SD_Film Artists]

I'm not sure were you think I was "mad" but North America includes both Canada and America/US.

And the various people indigenous to North America are, you know, various. The Iroquois, Yakama, and Cherokee people mentioned in that Medium article are different people than the Secwépemc. It's weird to be dismissive of legal claims to land in Canada because someone else from the same continent takes literally their creation myth despite it being contradicted by the evidence. It would be like saying that Sami property rights cases, if there are such things, should be thrown out because someone somewhere believes that you can climb Mount Olympus and literally shake hands with Zeus.

Ethnostates are hardly made more acceptable by them not having quite as much racial exceptionalism as their related neighbours.

[WayNeacTia]

The families of the children deserve compensation, and the perpetrators should be brought to justice.

The perpetrators have been dead for a hundred years.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The families of the children deserve compensation, and the perpetrators should be brought to justice.

The perpetrators have been dead for a hundred years.

Doesn't matter. They still deserve justice for what was done and crimes against indigenous people continue in Canada to this day.

[WayNeacTia]

The perpetrators have been dead for a hundred years.

Doesn't matter. They still deserve justice for what was done and crimes against indigenous people continue in Canada to this day.

No one is disputing that. My wife is Cree, so I see it fairly routinely and am treated the same way by association.

What was all that bullshit I was hearing recently about how Canada is so much better than America? Canada not only treated its native people poorly but continues to do so and allegedly they're much more liberal and tolerant than us and have always been.

Could have swore the U.S. did the exact same shit. Killing off all the bison ring a bell? Forcing natives on to reservations? Custer pretty much, unilaterally tearing up a treaty which granted the Sioux the Black Hills? Shall I go on?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Doesn't matter. They still deserve justice for what was done and crimes against indigenous people continue in Canada to this day.

No one is disputing that. My wife is Cree, so I see it fairly routinely and am treated the same way by association.

What was all that bullshit I was hearing recently about how Canada is so much better than America? Canada not only treated its native people poorly but continues to do so and allegedly they're much more liberal and tolerant than us and have always been.

Could have swore the U.S. did the exact same shit. Killing off all the bison ring a bell? Forcing natives on to reservations? Custer pretty much, unilaterally tearing up a treaty which granted the Sioux the Black Hills? Shall I go on?

Did I deny the US did this? Please feel free to go look for the quote where i said "actually Canada we treated our native people totally well. You're the anti native American racists, not us at all."

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I guess this is where the road, that begins they should learn to assimilate with us, ends up. Whether it is indigenous communities in colonialism, Uyghurs in China, or migrant children in the US, or Muslims in France.

Save the forced assimilation and just let people assimilate in their own way. Or not at all if they choose.