1807 children found buried at former Canadian schools

[Salus Maior]

Has anyone died in these church attacks or is it just property destruction?

You'll forgive me if I'm more concerned with genocide and the confirmation of children being murdered by the church than a few buildings being destroyed then, yeah?

Which is a very Christian stance btw. Jesus was all for property damage to enact change.

Jesus: Overturned some tables once

Alma: "SeE? JeSuS iS okAy wItH aRsON"

[Salus Maior]

Which is a very Christian stance btw. Jesus was all for property damage to enact change.

I mean, if the Catholic Church hadn't done everything it could to avoid paying restitution to the communities harmed by its schools, I might have more sympathy for them, but as posted earlier in the thread, they decided to avoid responsibility for their actions.

So I guess fuck all the normal churchgoing people who've had their Churches destroyed?

Come on, that the higher ups are slow to do anything about it doesn't make committing arson okay or sympathetic.

[Dakini]

Has anyone died in these church attacks or is it just property destruction?

You'll forgive me if I'm more concerned with genocide and the confirmation of children being murdered by the church than a few buildings being destroyed then, yeah?

The genocide that isn't happening anymore? Certainly not by the church?

The genocide that the church was happily involved in during my lifetime? There are living survivors of these abusive "schools".

Property destruction matters too, you know. And property destruction can be a hate crime, such as when Southerners burned Black Churches.

Nah, burning black churches is rather different from burning Catholic churches. This isn't the UK, sectarianism isn't really a thing in Canada. They're not being targeted because of their religion as much as they are because of their involvement in genocide.

These parishes and their associated communities likely aren't directly responsible for the Residential schools, certainly not decades after the fact.

They certainly weren't involved in compensating their victims either.

[Nilokeras]

Property destruction matters too, you know. And property destruction can be a hate crime, such as when Southerners burned Black Churches.

I think it's worth considering the possibility that these arsons were conducted by a First Nations person from these communities.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

It's perfectly acceptable to strike against the symbols of genocide. In this instance, the symbol of genocide is the Catholic Church. Striking against its property is fine and good, until the Church agrees to face justice for the mass murder and abuse they committed upon the children placed in their care.

[The Alma Mater]

Which is a very Christian stance btw. Jesus was all for property damage to enact change.

Jesus: Overturned some tables once

Alma: "SeE? JeSuS iS okAy wItH aRsON"

Catholics: abuse children for 2000 years
You: Why do people hate us ?

[Dakini]

Property destruction matters too, you know. And property destruction can be a hate crime, such as when Southerners burned Black Churches.

I think it's worth considering the possibility that these arsons were conducted by a First Nations person from these communities.

Yeah, these are mostly remote communities, nobody is driving hours out of their way to torch a church. It's likely someone local in each case and could be survivors from some of the residential schools who is reliving some trauma as a result of the recent news.

[Salus Maior]

The genocide that isn't happening anymore? Certainly not by the church?

The genocide that the church was happily involved in during my lifetime? There are living survivors of these abusive "schools".

Property destruction matters too, you know. And property destruction can be a hate crime, such as when Southerners burned Black Churches.

Nah, burning black churches is rather different from burning Catholic churches. This isn't the UK, sectarianism isn't really a thing in Canada. They're not being targeted because of their religion as much as they are because of their involvement in genocide.

These parishes and their associated communities likely aren't directly responsible for the Residential schools, certainly not decades after the fact.

They certainly weren't involved in compensating their victims either.

I'm well aware that there are living survivors of the Residential schools. I don't see how that helps your point, or makes the torching of these parishes ok.

"Sectarianism isn't a thing in Canada" *literally 8 parishes set on fire in a matter of weeks* Hell, that's giving ISIS a run for their money.

Assuming that an entire religion is guilty of genocide because of the Residential schools is hateful, as much as it would be to assume that all Muslims are guilty of 9/11 or other terrorist incidents (and of course to this day Muslims are held in suspicion of terrorism). Targeting any church because of the residential schools is targeting them on the basis of religion, just as much as it is to continually hold Muslims in suspicion of terrorism because they're Muslim.

Burning peoples churches down isn't going to make compensation happen, and it's not going to bring any dead children back. It's just going to hurt local communities and put a target on peoples' backs for being Catholic.

[Salus Maior]

Jesus: Overturned some tables once

Alma: "SeE? JeSuS iS okAy wItH aRsON"

Catholics: abuse children for 2000 years
You: Why do people hate us ?

Baseless hyperbole as usual.

Further, I've never said that. So it's not even a good burn.

[Salus Maior]

Property destruction matters too, you know. And property destruction can be a hate crime, such as when Southerners burned Black Churches.

I think it's worth considering the possibility that these arsons were conducted by a First Nations person from these communities.

I think that's very possible.

That doesn't make it any less of a hate crime.

[Salus Maior]

I think it's worth considering the possibility that these arsons were conducted by a First Nations person from these communities.

Yeah, these are mostly remote communities, nobody is driving hours out of their way to torch a church. It's likely someone local in each case and could be survivors from some of the residential schools who is reliving some trauma as a result of the recent news.

The last one was just outside of Edmonton.

They're not just reservation churches being burned.

[Nilokeras]

I think it's worth considering the possibility that these arsons were conducted by a First Nations person from these communities.

Yeah, these are mostly remote communities, nobody is driving hours out of their way to torch a church. It's likely someone local in each case and could be survivors from some of the residential schools who is reliving some trauma as a result of the recent news.

Having grown up near one of the churches in BC they're not that remote, they're like a fifteen minute drive from a settler town, but they're also not places that random white people from off-reservation even in the town would likely know about.

[SD_Film Artists]

I guess that is what people do with the whole 'white evil British empire' thing, but SJW rhetoric follows its own logic which I can only guess at.

what does this even mean

So we're just going to pretend that identity politics and 2D 'evil empire' tropes don't exist now. Curious how its happy to show itself with "my people's blood is still fresh on their hands" and then it's suddenly 'lol no anti-whiteness here..', though in fairness that was Ayytaly posting rather than you.

Also I'm still wondering what the "actual details" are that make Ostro and myself "fall flat".

Literally any detail about Canadian and First Nations history. Because you don't care, and have no interest in actually learning.

Anti-Rhodes campaigners likely don't know or care who Fred Dibnah is and yet they still open their mouths regardless. Should the indigenous rights campaigners just stop criticing the Catholic church since they (perhaps?) can't tie a rossery or cite passages from the Bible? Also I do care about them, just not the wider politics surrounding it; unless those politics involve bringing the directly culpable school staff/politicians to justice then sure lock them up.

[Nilokeras]

I think it's worth considering the possibility that these arsons were conducted by a First Nations person from these communities.

I think that's very possible.

That doesn't make it any less of a hate crime.

I also think there's nuance to explore in a survivor or family member of a survivor attacking the church that ran their school beyond calling it a 'hate crime'.

[Salus Maior]

I think that's very possible.

That doesn't make it any less of a hate crime.

I also think there's nuance to explore in a survivor or family member of a survivor attacking the church that ran their school beyond calling it a 'hate crime'.

As I've already pointed out, reservation churches aren't the only ones being attacked.

[Dakini]

Yeah, these are mostly remote communities, nobody is driving hours out of their way to torch a church. It's likely someone local in each case and could be survivors from some of the residential schools who is reliving some trauma as a result of the recent news.

Having grown up near one of the churches in BC they're not that remote, they're like a fifteen minute drive from a settler town, but they're also not places that random white people from off-reservation even in the town would likely know about.

Fair enough. Until the authorities complete their investigations, it's just going to be speculation anyway.

It's rather disingenuous that certain posters are spending more time to make the Catholic church into the victim when over 1000 unmarked graves have been discovered on the grounds of their schools in the last month though.

[Nilokeras]

I also think there's nuance to explore in a survivor or family member of a survivor attacking the church that ran their school beyond calling it a 'hate crime'.

As I've already pointed out, reservation churches aren't the only ones being attacked.

You didn't distinguish them. You called them all 'hate crimes'.

[Salus Maior]

Having grown up near one of the churches in BC they're not that remote, they're like a fifteen minute drive from a settler town, but they're also not places that random white people from off-reservation even in the town would likely know about.

Fair enough. Until the authorities complete their investigations, it's just going to be speculation anyway.

It's rather disingenuous that certain posters are spending more time to make the Catholic church into the victim when over 1000 unmarked graves have been discovered on the grounds of their schools in the last month though.

I'm not trying to make the Catholic Church "the" victim. But Catholics are being made victims in these arson attacks.

That doesn't take away from the atrocities in the residential schools, which I completely believe deserves justice and compensation and have said as much in this thread plenty of times.

[Nilokeras]

I'm not trying to make the Catholic Church "the" victim. But Catholics are being made victims in these arson attacks.

In the case of the BC attacks, given the demographics of the community, it is likely a Catholic First Nations person was the one that conducted the attack.

[Salus Maior]

As I've already pointed out, reservation churches aren't the only ones being attacked.

You didn't distinguish them. You called them all 'hate crimes'.

The arsonists don't have a right to attack the reservation churches either, which are made up of indigenous priests and congregations. If anything, doing so only hurts indigenous communities.

[Salus Maior]

I'm not trying to make the Catholic Church "the" victim. But Catholics are being made victims in these arson attacks.

In the case of the BC attacks, given the demographics of the community, it is likely a Catholic First Nations person was the one that conducted the attack.

That doesn't really change anything from what I said.

[Dakini]

Fair enough. Until the authorities complete their investigations, it's just going to be speculation anyway.

It's rather disingenuous that certain posters are spending more time to make the Catholic church into the victim when over 1000 unmarked graves have been discovered on the grounds of their schools in the last month though.

I'm not trying to make the Catholic Church "the" victim. But Catholics are being made victims in these arson attacks.

That doesn't take away from the atrocities in the residential schools, which I completely believe deserves justice and compensation and have said as much in this thread plenty of times.

It doesn't take away from the atrocities, yet you decide that you must complain more about the church burning than anything else as though these buildings are more important than the children harmed and killed in these schools.

[The Black Forrest]

I'm not trying to make the Catholic Church "the" victim. But Catholics are being made victims in these arson attacks.

In the case of the BC attacks, given the demographics of the community, it is likely a Catholic First Nations person was the one that conducted the attack.

That would be my guess as well. There is also the chance it was an outsider deciding to punish…..though First Nations is the obvious guess at this point.

[Salus Maior]

I'm not trying to make the Catholic Church "the" victim. But Catholics are being made victims in these arson attacks.

That doesn't take away from the atrocities in the residential schools, which I completely believe deserves justice and compensation and have said as much in this thread plenty of times.

It doesn't take away from the atrocities, yet you decide that you must complain more about the church burning than anything else as though these buildings are more important than the children harmed and killed in these schools.

Yeah, keep bullshitting, Dakini.

Me being opposed to Churches being burnt and more people becoming victims (which I've only started talking about today) doesn't make the victimization of First Nations children less important to resolve.

[SD_Film Artists]

I'm not trying to make the Catholic Church "the" victim. But Catholics are being made victims in these arson attacks.

That doesn't take away from the atrocities in the residential schools, which I completely believe deserves justice and compensation and have said as much in this thread plenty of times.

It doesn't take away from the atrocities, yet you decide that you must complain more about the church burning than anything else as though these buildings are more important than the children harmed and killed in these schools.

I don't know Salus, but I expect it's because literally no one is supporting the schools thus it's stating the obvious that we're against it, whereas there's a curious lack of complaint at the news of burning churches, ie a hate crime. Thus the matter deserves to be voiced more which Salus is doing.