1807 children found buried at former Canadian schools

[Immortan Khan]

CBC now has an article covering the latest school.

[Kubra]

Then by all means, *explain* the reasons for the Indian act and its subsequent ramifications.

Couldn't that be done with a wiki article? I could post it but I'm not sure what it'll prove or what you think I'm trying to prove. I was just responding to Ostroeuropa and by extension Ayytaly and then it's all 'hurr hurr police victims'.

If you'd like to discuss the Indian Act then do please say something about it.

Because you seem to think differently than us as to the reasons. Therefore, it can not be taken as a surprised when you are asked to explain yourself.
Personally, I do tend to blame "evil whhhite colonialism" for the residential schools, and I figure you'd want to prove me and others who think likewise as to the error of our ways.

[Nilokeras]

Couldn't that be done with a wiki article? I could post it but I'm not sure what it'll prove or what you think I'm trying to prove. I was just responding to Ostroeuropa and by extension Ayytaly and then it's all 'hurr hurr police victims'.

If you'd like to discuss the Indian Act then do please say something about it.

Because you seem to think differently than us as to the reasons. Therefore, it can not be taken as a surprised when you are asked to explain yourself.
Personally, I do tend to blame "evil whhhite colonialism" for the residential schools, and I figure you'd want to prove me and others who think likewise as to the error of our ways.

I mean they won't want to try and explain themselves because SD and Ostro aren't interested in any of the actual lives in question here or the Canadian context in which they were destroyed. They saw 'European colonialism' being brought up and came riding to the rescue with a barrel full of generic genocide apologism and bizarre ideas about First Nations people now being a privileged minority. Just like last time, whenever they get confronted with the actual details they fall flat because this is just one more front in the anglophobic culture war for them.

[SD_Film Artists]

Couldn't that be done with a wiki article? I could post it but I'm not sure what it'll prove or what you think I'm trying to prove. I was just responding to Ostroeuropa and by extension Ayytaly and then it's all 'hurr hurr police victims'.

If you'd like to discuss the Indian Act then do please say something about it.

Because you seem to think differently than us as to the reasons. Therefore, it can not be taken as a surprised when you are asked to explain yourself.

As mentioned earlier in the thread I can't answer something from what someone thinks I'm 'seeming to think'.

Do you actually have a question or is this yet another game of 'let's pretend what SD is thinking'?

[Kubra]

Because you seem to think differently than us as to the reasons. Therefore, it can not be taken as a surprised when you are asked to explain yourself.

As mentioned earlier in the thread I can't answer something from what someone thinks I'm 'seeming to think'.

Do you actually have a question or is this yet another game of 'let's pretend what SD is thinking'?

Fine, will this do better? Ebil white colonialism is why residential schools existed: in what way am I wrong, if at all?

[SD_Film Artists]

As mentioned earlier in the thread I can't answer something from what someone thinks I'm 'seeming to think'.

Do you actually have a question or is this yet another game of 'let's pretend what SD is thinking'?

Fine, will this do better? Ebil white colonialism is why residential schools existed: in what way am I wrong, if at all?

You're correct in the sense that the people who ran these schools, especially during the hight of the 'Kill the Indian, Save the Man' rhetoric were a part of colonialism which was either directly European colonialism or a successor to it, however (and this is what I was talking about) the frame of reference in which this subject is often talked about is under the mistaken idea that the bad things were unique to and entirely definitive of European colonialism. Does improving infrastructure or pointing to the existance of your foe's axes make genocide ok? Of course not. Should people look at the surrounding history before pretending that a crime is unique to one people? Yes, certainly yes.

The idea that white history is uniquely bad is at the forefront of critical race theory and this is deeply disingenous as it's completely full of double standards and lazy tropes.

[Kubra]

Fine, will this do better? Ebil white colonialism is why residential schools existed: in what way am I wrong, if at all?

You're correct in the sense that the people who ran these schools, especially during the hight of the 'Kill the Indian, Save the Man' rhetoric were a part of colonialism which was either directly European colonialism or a successor to it, however (and this is what I was talking about) the frame of reference in which this subject is often talked about is under the mistaken idea that the bad things were unique to and entirely definitive of European colonialism. Does improving infrastructure or pointing to the existance of your foe's axes make genocide ok? Of course not. Should people look at the surrounding history before pretending that a crime is unique to one people? Yes, certainly yes.

The idea that white history is uniquely bad is at the forefront of critical race theory and this is deeply disingenous as it's completely full of double standards and lazy tropes.

"Improving infrastructure"? Oh *boy*, is this really where we want to start? If you wanna know what "improved infrastructure" means to the indigenous, it involves batoche.
Axes? Who the fuck had axes in 1876? Like, for woodcutting, you mean?

[SD_Film Artists]

You're correct in the sense that the people who ran these schools, especially during the hight of the 'Kill the Indian, Save the Man' rhetoric were a part of colonialism which was either directly European colonialism or a successor to it, however (and this is what I was talking about) the frame of reference in which this subject is often talked about is under the mistaken idea that the bad things were unique to and entirely definitive of European colonialism. Does improving infrastructure or pointing to the existance of your foe's axes make genocide ok? Of course not. Should people look at the surrounding history before pretending that a crime is unique to one people? Yes, certainly yes.

The idea that white history is uniquely bad is at the forefront of critical race theory and this is deeply disingenous as it's completely full of double standards and lazy tropes.

"Improving infrastructure"? Oh *boy*, is this really where we want to start? If you wanna know what "improved infrastructure" means to the indigenous, it involves batoche.
Axes? Who the fuck had axes in 1876? Like, for woodcutting, you mean?

There's something of trope that natives were peace loving innocents before the ebil white man arrived, implying that the tomahawk was only invented when Europeans arrived and that the Aztek empire got to its size by happy trades and treaties. Really there was just as much genocide happening, the only difference is that the Europeans had boats (hense Ifreann asking about why I was talking about boats). Since there is no difference, the only logical conclusion is that when people complain about white colonialism (and ONLY white colonialism, not that of other nations or landgrabs by tribes) what they're really complaining about is boats and people of a different skin colour arriving (sounds a bit racist me thinks). If one wants to talk about genocide entirely within the context then sure, I'd agree it's terrible and completely unjustified.

[Salus Maior]

More Churches are being torched in Canada.

[Salus Maior]

Because you seem to think differently than us as to the reasons. Therefore, it can not be taken as a surprised when you are asked to explain yourself.
Personally, I do tend to blame "evil whhhite colonialism" for the residential schools, and I figure you'd want to prove me and others who think likewise as to the error of our ways.

I mean they won't want to try and explain themselves because SD and Ostro aren't interested in any of the actual lives in question here or the Canadian context in which they were destroyed. They saw 'European colonialism' being brought up and came riding to the rescue with a barrel full of generic genocide apologism and bizarre ideas about First Nations people now being a privileged minority. Just like last time, whenever they get confronted with the actual details they fall flat because this is just one more front in the anglophobic culture war for them.

^ Basically.

[Dakini]

Canada sounds like a horrible place.

Just wait until the USA starts examining its equivalent of the Canadian residential schools.

[SD_Film Artists]

Because you seem to think differently than us as to the reasons. Therefore, it can not be taken as a surprised when you are asked to explain yourself.
Personally, I do tend to blame "evil whhhite colonialism" for the residential schools, and I figure you'd want to prove me and others who think likewise as to the error of our ways.

I mean they won't want to try and explain themselves because SD and Ostro aren't interested in any of the actual lives in question here or the Canadian context in which they were destroyed. They saw 'European colonialism' being brought up and came riding to the rescue with a barrel full of generic genocide apologism and bizarre ideas about First Nations people now being a privileged minority. Just like last time, whenever they get confronted with the actual details they fall flat because this is just one more front in the anglophobic culture war for them.

Of course all the overarching geopolitics is just a figment of my imagination, it's not as if people are drawing conclusions from the subject enough to burn churches....oh wait.

Though one point against the idea of them being anglophobic crusaders (besides them probably not making the difference between an Englishman and a Canadian) is that they're going after Catholic churches rather than Protestant ones; not that it makes the burning any less deplorable but it does create an odd Venn diagram of where they stand.

[Nilokeras]

I mean they won't want to try and explain themselves because SD and Ostro aren't interested in any of the actual lives in question here or the Canadian context in which they were destroyed. They saw 'European colonialism' being brought up and came riding to the rescue with a barrel full of generic genocide apologism and bizarre ideas about First Nations people now being a privileged minority. Just like last time, whenever they get confronted with the actual details they fall flat because this is just one more front in the anglophobic culture war for them.

Of course all the overarching geopolitics is just a figment of my imagination, it's not as if people are drawing conclusions from the subject enough to burn churches....oh wait.

Though one point against the idea of them being anglophobic crusaders (besides them probably not making the difference between an Englishman and a Canadian) is that they're going after Catholic churches rather than Protestant ones; not that it makes the burning any less deplorable but it does create an odd Venn diagram of where they stand.

I mean I didn't think you would just out and admit that you think that opposition to residential schools is rooted in 'anglophobia' but hey it makes my life easier

also lol at the idea that Catholicism is not 'English'

[Salus Maior]

I mean they won't want to try and explain themselves because SD and Ostro aren't interested in any of the actual lives in question here or the Canadian context in which they were destroyed. They saw 'European colonialism' being brought up and came riding to the rescue with a barrel full of generic genocide apologism and bizarre ideas about First Nations people now being a privileged minority. Just like last time, whenever they get confronted with the actual details they fall flat because this is just one more front in the anglophobic culture war for them.

Of course all the overarching geopolitics is just a figment of my imagination, it's not as if people are drawing conclusions from the subject enough to burn churches....oh wait.

Though one point against the idea of them being anglophobic crusaders (besides them probably not making the difference between an Englishman and a Canadian) is that they're going after Catholic churches rather than Protestant ones; not that it makes the burning any less deplorable but it does create an odd Venn diagram of where they stand.

That some people are turning into hate-criminals doesn't really make the residential schools not what they were; genocidal, colonialist institutions.

[Dakini]

I mean they won't want to try and explain themselves because SD and Ostro aren't interested in any of the actual lives in question here or the Canadian context in which they were destroyed. They saw 'European colonialism' being brought up and came riding to the rescue with a barrel full of generic genocide apologism and bizarre ideas about First Nations people now being a privileged minority. Just like last time, whenever they get confronted with the actual details they fall flat because this is just one more front in the anglophobic culture war for them.

Of course all the overarching geopolitics is just a figment of my imagination, it's not as if people are drawing conclusions from the subject enough to burn churches....oh wait.

Though one point against the idea of them being anglophobic crusaders (besides them probably not making the difference between an Englishman and a Canadian) is that they're going after Catholic churches rather than Protestant ones; not that it makes the burning any less deplorable but it does create an odd Venn diagram of where they stand.

Dude, people have been going after Catholic churches because so far all three of the schools that have been examined with ground penetrating radar, discovering triple digits of children in unmarked graves in each were run by the Catholic church. Once people start examining the grounds of the Protestant-run schools, I'm sure those churches will burn if they turn up similar body counts.

Also, having the opinion that genocide is bad is not "anglophobia" unless you're contending that genocide is a particularly English thing to do, which seems rather anglophobic in itself.

[SD_Film Artists]

Of course all the overarching geopolitics is just a figment of my imagination, it's not as if people are drawing conclusions from the subject enough to burn churches....oh wait.

Though one point against the idea of them being anglophobic crusaders (besides them probably not making the difference between an Englishman and a Canadian) is that they're going after Catholic churches rather than Protestant ones; not that it makes the burning any less deplorable but it does create an odd Venn diagram of where they stand.

I mean I didn't think you would just out and admit that you think that opposition to residential schools is rooted in 'anglophobia' but hey it makes my life easier

also lol at the idea that Catholicism is not 'English'

I guess that is what people do with the whole 'white evil British empire' thing, but SJW rhetoric follows its own logic which I can only guess at.

As for the Catholicism, I meant in regards to the traditionalist protestant Anglophere, which seems to be more of a thing in America than the UK since in the mainland UK people really don't care what church you go to (NI is obviously different).

Also I'm still wondering what the "actual details" are that make Ostro and myself "fall flat".

[Salus Maior]

Dude, people have been going after Catholic churches because so far all three of the schools that have been examined with ground penetrating radar, discovering triple digits of children in unmarked graves in each were run by the Catholic church. Once people start examining the grounds of the Protestant-run churches, I'm sure those will burn if they turn up similar body counts.

Also, having the opinion that genocide is bad is not "anglophobia" unless you're contending that genocide is a particularly English thing to do, which seems rather anglophobic in itself.

I'd rather that no churches ended up being attacked, Catholic or not.

I hope you realize that these attacks are hate crimes.

[Dakini]

Dude, people have been going after Catholic churches because so far all three of the schools that have been examined with ground penetrating radar, discovering triple digits of children in unmarked graves in each were run by the Catholic church. Once people start examining the grounds of the Protestant-run churches, I'm sure those will burn if they turn up similar body counts.

Also, having the opinion that genocide is bad is not "anglophobia" unless you're contending that genocide is a particularly English thing to do, which seems rather anglophobic in itself.

I'd rather that no churches ended up being attacked, Catholic or not.

I hope you realize that these attacks are hate crimes.

Has anyone died in these church attacks or is it just property destruction?

You'll forgive me if I'm more concerned with genocide and the confirmation of children being murdered by the church than a few buildings being destroyed then, yeah?

[SD_Film Artists]

Of course all the overarching geopolitics is just a figment of my imagination, it's not as if people are drawing conclusions from the subject enough to burn churches....oh wait.

Though one point against the idea of them being anglophobic crusaders (besides them probably not making the difference between an Englishman and a Canadian) is that they're going after Catholic churches rather than Protestant ones; not that it makes the burning any less deplorable but it does create an odd Venn diagram of where they stand.

Also, having the opinion that genocide is bad is not "anglophobia"

Good thing I never said that then, as otherwise everyone here including myself would be an anglophobe.

[The Alma Mater]

I'd rather that no churches ended up being attacked, Catholic or not.

I hope you realize that these attacks are hate crimes.

Has anyone died in these church attacks or is it just property destruction?

You'll forgive me if I'm more concerned with genocide and the confirmation of children being murdered by the church than a few buildings being destroyed then, yeah?

Which is a very Christian stance btw. Jesus was all for property damage to enact change.

[SD_Film Artists]

Of course all the overarching geopolitics is just a figment of my imagination, it's not as if people are drawing conclusions from the subject enough to burn churches....oh wait.

Though one point against the idea of them being anglophobic crusaders (besides them probably not making the difference between an Englishman and a Canadian) is that they're going after Catholic churches rather than Protestant ones; not that it makes the burning any less deplorable but it does create an odd Venn diagram of where they stand.

That some people are turning into hate-criminals doesn't really make the residential schools not what they were; genocidal, colonialist institutions.

The point is that you can't complain about people pointing out the politics of the issue when it is obviously political.

[SD_Film Artists]

Dude, people have been going after Catholic churches because so far all three of the schools that have been examined with ground penetrating radar, discovering triple digits of children in unmarked graves in each were run by the Catholic church. Once people start examining the grounds of the Protestant-run churches, I'm sure those will burn if they turn up similar body counts.

Also, having the opinion that genocide is bad is not "anglophobia" unless you're contending that genocide is a particularly English thing to do, which seems rather anglophobic in itself.

I'd rather that no churches ended up being attacked, Catholic or not.

I hope you realize that these attacks are hate crimes.

This ^

[Nilokeras]

I guess that is what people do with the whole 'white evil British empire' thing, but SJW rhetoric follows its own logic which I can only guess at.

what does this even mean

Also I'm still wondering what the "actual details" are that make Ostro and myself "fall flat".

Literally any detail about Canadian and First Nations history. Because you don't care, and have no interest in actually learning.

[Salus Maior]

I'd rather that no churches ended up being attacked, Catholic or not.

I hope you realize that these attacks are hate crimes.

Has anyone died in these church attacks or is it just property destruction?

You'll forgive me if I'm more concerned with genocide and the confirmation of children being murdered by the church than a few buildings being destroyed then, yeah?

The genocide that isn't happening anymore? Certainly not by the church?

Property destruction matters too, you know. And property destruction can be a hate crime, such as when Southerners burned Black Churches.

These parishes and their associated communities likely aren't directly responsible for the Residential schools, certainly not decades after the fact.

[Dakini]

Has anyone died in these church attacks or is it just property destruction?

You'll forgive me if I'm more concerned with genocide and the confirmation of children being murdered by the church than a few buildings being destroyed then, yeah?

Which is a very Christian stance btw. Jesus was all for property damage to enact change.

I mean, if the Catholic Church hadn't done everything it could to avoid paying restitution to the communities harmed by its schools, I might have more sympathy for them, but as posted earlier in the thread, they decided to avoid responsibility for their actions.