1807 children found buried at former Canadian schools

[Lady Victory]

Keep supporting abortions and identity politics...

what the fuck do either of those have to do with this

Don't feed.

[Immortan Khan]

She unfortunately has not. She is also getting a lot of support from Liberal Party supporters. I want to say I'm shocked but I'm not.

How exactly are the Liberals justifying this? Like, I knew they'd try, but what are they even saying? The fuck?

That JWR is purposefully misrepresenting things, playing the victim card, genuinely only cares about her pension etc. It's pretty disturbing how cult like it is tbh.

[Immortan Khan]

Letter from the Archdiocese of Regina. Among the things it contains is a revelation that a priest was directly involved in the removal of headstones/grave desecration in the 1960's.

[Greater Cesnica]

How exactly are the Liberals justifying this? Like, I knew they'd try, but what are they even saying? The fuck?

That JWR is purposefully misrepresenting things, playing the victim card, genuinely only cares about her pension etc. It's pretty disturbing how cult like it is tbh.

Trudeauites certainly do represent a cult...

Letter from the Archdiocese of Regina. Among the things it contains is a revelation that a priest was directly involved in the removal of headstones/grave desecration in the 1960's.

Sounds like a very Godly pursuit.

[Sungoldy-China]

Trudeau says Pope should apologize on Canadian soil for church's role in residential schools

https://www.reuters.com/article/canada- ... SL2N2O71W5

Pope: Sorry for not killing all the Protestants and letting these heretics enter the American continent.

The Indian Act promulgated by Canada in 1876 was not ordered by the Pope nor is it the Pope requested in the 1927 amendment expressly stipulate that "person" refers to any human individual other than Indians.

The pope should launch a crusade over the unreasonable slander of the Canadian prime minister

[Immortan Khan]

Trudeau says Pope should apologize on Canadian soil for church's role in residential schools

https://www.reuters.com/article/canada- ... SL2N2O71W5

Pope: Sorry for not killing all the Protestants and letting these heretics enter the American continent.

The Indian Act promulgated by Canada in 1876 was not ordered by the Pope nor is it the Pope requested in the 1927 amendment expressly stipulate that "person" refers to any human individual other than Indians.

The pope should launch a crusade over the unreasonable slander of the Canadian prime minister

This is not the thread for shitposting.

[Greater Cesnica]

what the fuck do either of those have to do with this

Don't feed.

At the rate they're going with their lovely posts, I doubt we'll have to worry about them for much longer.

[Salus Maior]

Trudeau says Pope should apologize on Canadian soil for church's role in residential schools

https://www.reuters.com/article/canada- ... SL2N2O71W5

Pope: Sorry for not killing all the Protestants and letting these heretics enter the American continent.

The Indian Act promulgated by Canada in 1876 was not ordered by the Pope nor is it the Pope requested in the 1927 amendment expressly stipulate that "person" refers to any human individual other than Indians.

The pope should launch a crusade over the unreasonable slander of the Canadian prime minister

This is not the thread for shitposting.

He does make a valid point among the nonsense though. It was Canadian law that enabled the abuse of First Nations children.

[New Ladavia]

Trudeau says Pope should apologize on Canadian soil for church's role in residential schools

https://www.reuters.com/article/canada- ... SL2N2O71W5

Pope: Sorry for not killing all the Protestants and letting these heretics enter the American continent.

The Indian Act promulgated by Canada in 1876 was not ordered by the Pope nor is it the Pope requested in the 1927 amendment expressly stipulate that "person" refers to any human individual other than Indians.

The pope should launch a crusade over the unreasonable slander of the Canadian prime minister

That still doesn't absolve them from directly running many residential schools across Canada.

[Immortan Khan]

This is not the thread for shitposting.

He does make a valid point among the nonsense though. It was Canadian law that enabled the abuse of First Nations children.

Which doesn't absolve the RCC nor mean that the Pope shouldn't apologize and pay the restitutions that are owed on its part.

[Salus Maior]

He does make a valid point among the nonsense though. It was Canadian law that enabled the abuse of First Nations children.

Which doesn't absolve the RCC nor mean that the Pope shouldn't apologize and pay the restitutions that are owed on its part.

Didn't say it did. Don't make assumptions of me.

[Immortan Khan]

Which doesn't absolve the RCC nor mean that the Pope shouldn't apologize and pay the restitutions that are owed on its part.

Didn't say it did. Don't make assumptions of me.

And I never said you did. The shitpost I was responding to however was making that argument.

[The Alma Mater]

Oh cool, so the archbishop of one diocese that covers a small part of the country has apologised and you think that's totally sufficient, I guess.

Man, don't you just love it when people put words in your mouth? Cause I sure do love it when people automatically assume I'm okay with the scandalous behaviors of the clergy all because I'm a practicing Catholic who leans a little more on the traditional side

I was clarifying your post, get over it

Can you blame them ? A few years back when the massive scale of the whole child abuse schandal was pretty clear and people expressed frustration how the church was only making some weak token actions to improve - the Catholics on this forum claimed the Church was doing a lot - like "they EVEN (yes, with emphasis) got rid a Bishop who had known of the abuse for decades but had done nothing about it" - and expressed shock at how far the Vatican was going since said Bishop had not abused kids himself.

As if that was not an absolute baby step...

But that was then and this is now. You are right. We should not just assume this massive disconnect still exists.

[Dakini]

A priest in Mississauga has resigned after a sermon in which he said people should thank the Church for the "good" residential schools did for the children sparked backlash.

[Dakini]

A priest in Mississauga has resigned after a sermon in which he said people should thank the Church for the "good" residential schools did for the children sparked backlash.

Good people on both sides.

The difference between defending a demonized group. And defending actual demons. Is in the timing.

The priest should find if HIS church was involved, and if so, apologize with no sermon at all!

The Residential School system was genocide, even with its "best" intentions. The goal of these schools was to take away and destroy Indigenous languages, religions and cultures. In the process, the schools also subject children to widespread abuse (emotional, physical and sexual) and killed some of them.

There's no "good people on both sides here". Even the "good people" were intentionally committing genocide.

[Dakini]

The Residential School system was genocide, even with its "best" intentions. The goal of these schools was to take away and destroy Indigenous languages, religions and cultures. In the process, the schools also subject children to widespread abuse (emotional, physical and sexual) and killed some of them.

There's no "good people on both sides here". Even the "good people" were intentionally committing genocide.

Surely the "genocide" is the doing of the government.
CBC doesnt say if ANY of the Residential Schools were run by the Catholic Church.
Pardon me for assuming.

What the fuck? The two schools that have been checked for graveyards so far, turning up nearly 1000 dead children between them are both Catholic. Did you just jump into the last page of the thread to post some bullshit "the Catholic church is totally innocent" nonsense without even reading anything at all about the topic?

Yes, the government encouraged these schools, but they were run by churches, not by the government. The government has also already apologized for its role in this.

Also, you clearly didn't even read the article I linked. Here's the second paragraph:

During a sermon last Sunday, Monsignor Owen Keenan, the pastor of the Merciful Redeemer Parish in Mississauga, west of Toronto, talked about the the remains of an estimated 215 children discovered at the site of a former residential school in Kamloops, B.C. run by the church.

[Kubra]

The Residential School system was genocide, even with its "best" intentions. The goal of these schools was to take away and destroy Indigenous languages, religions and cultures. In the process, the schools also subject children to widespread abuse (emotional, physical and sexual) and killed some of them.

There's no "good people on both sides here". Even the "good people" were intentionally committing genocide.

Surely the "genocide" is the doing of the government.
CBC doesnt say if ANY of the Residential Schools were run by the Catholic Church.
Pardon me for assuming.

Bruh, like *all* residential schools were church run. All of them.
Like, buddy, you're jumping in without some of the most basic background knowledge of the issue.

[Kubra]

Bruh, like *all* residential schools were church run. All of them.
Like, buddy, you're jumping in without some of the most basic background knowledge of the issue.

All of them were run by CATHOLIC church?

Please don't call me "bruh" or "buddy". Or anything really. The context on this forum makes it obviously insulting. You may say "my friend" if the context makes it sincere.

True, I did not read sources. I started reading. Not much interested in an historical genocide in Canada but enough to read more. My interest was further damaged by a shakey claim in the very first post. Fool that I am, I thought I could challenge that with out reading the whole thread. No, apparently suddenly appearing in the thread is too confronting and I should fuck off.

I will leave your thread, it is what we both want. I may leave the community. It seems very unfriendly.

more than half, while the other lot have already apologised.
"My friend", just take the hit. You're the one who burst in with half-knowledge yet decided to speak with an apparent degree of firmness. You should very well know what kind of reaction that generates, man.

[Dakini]

What the fuck? The two schools that have been checked for graveyards, turning up nearly 1000 dead are both Catholic. Did you just jump into the last page of the thread to post some bullshit "the Catholic church is totally innocent" nonsense without even reading anything at all about the topic?

Yes, the government encouraged these schools, but they were run by churches, not by the government. The government has also already apologized for its role in this.

Also, you clearly didn't even read the article I linked. Here's the second paragraph:

If children were taken from parents against their will, the initial act to genocide, that is more than government "encourage". But you are determined to deflect blame from govt. Isn't that hypocritical when you just said I was doing the same for the church.

Oh, government apologized well OK then. Lets not apply the same standard to the Catholic Church. Lets single out one priest who didn't.

The Catholic Church hasn't apologised or done anything in the way of reconciliation. A few individual diocese did apologise, but the pope has refused to do so thus far.

I'm not deflecting blame from the government, the government has a lot to answer for, but so do the churches involved in this atrocity, which you seem to want to pretend are entirely innocent.

OK. The source did mention Kamloops was Catholic. And yes, I did just jump in, with a small point addressed to the first paragraph of the first post. I cant tolerate people trying to make a point with fake maths.

The one in Cowessess with 751 graves (from which the gravestones had been removed by a Catholic priest, which is against the law as well as just generally being desecrating graves) was also run by the Catholic church. If you check, 215 + 751 = 966, which is close to 1000 dead children between just two Catholic-run residential schools (the only two whose grounds have been searched with ground penetrating radar so far). It is estimated that at least 3000 children died at these schools, but this is considered a lower estimate. Please point to the "fake maths" here.

If me reading 16 pages of opinions is the asking price of entering civil debate with you, then alas. You will have to make do without it.

How about don't come into page 16 of a thread without knowing a damn thing and expect people to be super patient when you say really dumb things like "I don't see any evidence that the Church was involved here." when this was discussed throughout the thread, including on the first fucking page. If you want to turn up in a thread and "participate" by spouting totally uninformed opinions in which you defend genocide, not adding any value at all and without reading anything at all in the thread, then expect to be told off for it.

The polite thing to do is to read at least the first 2-3 pages of a thread and the most recent 2-3 pages of a thread before jumping in. You don't even seem to have read the last page of the thread before coming in with your opinions.

[Dakini]

True, I did not read sources. I started reading. Not much interested in an historical genocide in Canada but enough to read more. My interest was further damaged by a shakey claim in the very first post. Fool that I am, I thought I could challenge that with out reading the whole thread. No, apparently suddenly appearing in the thread is too confronting and I should fuck off.

Historical genocide? The last of these schools closed in 1996. There are living survivors of these schools. It's not a historical genocide.

[Infected Mushroom]

This really conflicts with my understanding of Canada as a bastion of liberalism, political correctness, identity politics, multiculturalism and minority rights.

I don’t know how to react to things like this.

[Ifreann]

This really conflicts with my understanding of Canada as a bastion of liberalism, political correctness, identity politics, multiculturalism and minority rights.

I don’t know how to react to things like this.

Accept that your prior perception of Canada was wrong.

[Greater Cesnica]

This really conflicts with my understanding of Canada as a bastion of liberalism, political correctness, identity politics, multiculturalism and minority rights.

I don’t know how to react to things like this.

Political correctness, liberalism, and identity politics serve as veneers of "civility" to obfuscate the reality of Canada's history and its abysmal government.

more than half, while the other lot have already apologised.
"My friend", just take the hit. You're the one who burst in with half-knowledge yet decided to speak with an apparent degree of firmness. You should very well know what kind of reaction that generates, man.

I am only posting again to say I add you as a Foe.

Reason: calling me "man". You must be aware that deliberately gendering me puts pressure on me to say my own gender. I have the feeling you would treat me better if I said "girl" and such sexism which chafes against anonymity, is utterly repugnant to me. I don't care your gender. You deliberately gendered me after I asked you not to. You're gone.

And conveniently you have ended up on my foe list. Funny how that works, isn't it?

[Dakini]

*sigh*

How does it work, GC? Without a reason it looks like cowardice. Afraid of little me?

Nobody owes you a reason or even notice that you've been added to their foe's list.

[Nilokeras]

Abuse is obviously inexcusable. Death rate tho, should not be compared to modern children. It should be, with children left in native communities.

Let's do some very basic research, shall we?

Residential school deaths were common and have been linked to poorly constructed and maintained facilities.[8]:92–101 The actual number of deaths remains unknown due to inconsistent reporting by school officials and the destruction of medical and administrative records in compliance with retention and disposition policies for government records.[8]:92–93 Research by the TRC revealed that at least 3,201 students had died, mostly from disease.[11][8]:92 TRC chair Justice Murray Sinclair has suggested that the number of deaths may exceed 6,000.[10][52][53]

The 1906 Annual Report of the Department of Indian Affairs, submitted by chief medical officer Peter Bryce, highlighted that the "Indian population of Canada has a mortality rate of more than double that of the whole population, and in some provinces more than three times".[8]:97–98[54]:275 Among the list of causes he noted tuberculosis and the role residential schools played in spreading the disease by way of poor ventilation and medical screening.[8]:97–98[54]:275–276

In 1909, Bryce reported that, between 1894 and 1908, mortality rates at some residential schools in western Canada ranged from 30 to 60 per cent over five years (that is, five years after entry, 30 to 60 per cent of students had died, or 6 to 12 per cent per annum).[55] These statistics did not become public until 1922, when Bryce, who was no longer working for the government, published The Story of a National Crime: Being a Record of the Health Conditions of the Indians of Canada from 1904 to 1921. In particular, he alleged that the high mortality rates could have been avoided if healthy children had not been exposed to children with tuberculosis.[8][56][57] At the time, no antibiotic had been identified to treat the disease, and this exacerbated the impact of the illness. Streptomycin, the first effective treatment, was not introduced until 1943.[6]:381

In 1920 and 1922, Regina physician F. A. Corbett was commissioned to visit the schools in the west of the country, and found similar results to those reported by Bryce. At the Ermineskin school in Hobbema, Alberta, he found that 50 percent of the children had tuberculosis.[5]:98 At Sarcee Boarding School near Calgary, he noted that all 33 students were "much below even a passable standard of health" and "[a]ll but four were infected with tuberculosis".[5]:99 In one classroom, he found 16 ill children, many near death, who were being forced to sit through lessons.[5]:99
Stone cairn erected in 1975 marking the Battleford Industrial School Cemetery. A plaque at the top of the cairn reads: RESTORATION THROUGH OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUTH, 4S1179-1974. PLAQUE PROVIDED BY DEPARTMENT OF TOURISM AND RENEWABLE RESOURCES.
Cairn erected in 1975 marking the Battleford Industrial School cemetery

In 2011, reflecting on the TRC's research, Justice Murray Sinclair told the Toronto Star: "Missing children – that is the big surprise for me ... That such large numbers of children died at the schools. That the information of their deaths was not communicated back to their families."[58]