Modesty editing

[Forsher]

No, really.

You literally just rejected the incremental formation of personal opinions. You think otherwise, you gotta show how.

I didn't reject incremental formation of personal opinions, I rejected the idea that we can attain no knowledge about people's experiences except by consulting some third party who was at some point right about something else. Because that's obvious nonsense. We can just ask teenagers how they feel about the ways they are told to dress.

Asking teenagers is consulting a third party... the two parties are us Generalites.

[Ifreann]

I didn't reject incremental formation of personal opinions, I rejected the idea that we can attain no knowledge about people's experiences except by consulting some third party who was at some point right about something else. Because that's obvious nonsense. We can just ask teenagers how they feel about the ways they are told to dress.

Asking teenagers is consulting a third party... the two parties are us Generalites.

I don't even know how to begin responding to this.

[Serrus]

From what I've seen, these are pretty normal yearbook photos, and this outright crosses into censorship IMO-- just because clothing, at least in the US, is a form of expression. But besides that, it's literally normal yearbook photos. Why ever would you censor them?

[Ifreann]

From what I've seen, these are pretty normal yearbook photos, and this outright crosses into censorship IMO-- just because clothing, at least in the US, is a form of expression. But besides that, it's literally normal yearbook photos. Why ever would you censor them?

Because sexists hate women and girls having control over their own bodies.

[Vetalia]

I think you need to take a good hard look at yourself and your sexual psychology if you think those girls were dressed immodestly, to the point where it bothered you so much you had to edit their photos...

[The Two Jerseys]

Jeez, they might as well slap a stereotypical "CENSORED" sticker on there if they're going to make it that obvious...

[Galloism]

Jeez, they might as well slap a stereotypical "CENSORED" sticker on there if they're going to make it that obvious...

That would have been less offensive than what they did.

Seriously that's the worst photoshop I've seen in a while.

[Ifreann]

I think you need to take a good hard look at yourself and your sexual psychology if you think those girls were dressed immodestly, to the point where it bothered you so much you had to edit their photos...

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[The Two Jerseys]

Jeez, they might as well slap a stereotypical "CENSORED" sticker on there if they're going to make it that obvious...

That would have been less offensive than what they did.

Seriously that's the worst photoshop I've seen in a while.

Indeed, I could at least respect them if they owned up to it instead of lying right to our faces.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I think you need to take a good hard look at yourself and your sexual psychology if you think those girls were dressed immodestly, to the point where it bothered you so much you had to edit their photos...

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It is a proven fact that if a boy sees a girl's shoulder for even one second, it activates the rape switch in their brain and they become rabid. The only way to protect women is to force them to wear burqas because if even one piece of skin is visible, it will turn every man in the area crazy.

Ladies, I know you've been asking us to educate men about self control. Unfortunately according to our views on gender norms, men are unable to control themselves so its on you to not make them go ape. Sorry, please try to understand.

[Galloism]

That would have been less offensive than what they did.

Seriously that's the worst photoshop I've seen in a while.

Indeed, I could at least respect them if they owned up to it instead of lying right to our faces.

Honestly, I can't even classify it as a lie.

I feel like to be a lie it must at least have a chance of deceiving someone.

[Neanderthaland]

Imagine thinking this is a productive use of time.

[Galloism]

Imagine thinking this is a productive use of time.

I'm positive they didn't spend much time.

[Vetalia]

Imagine thinking this is a productive use of time.

I'm positive they didn't spend much time.

I'm positive they did, but not for purposes of enforcing modesty.

[Albrenia]

Imagine thinking this is a productive use of time.

Makes me feel way better about using my time lurking on these forums.

This is a bit of a non-story all around though. I'd prefer if they altered the photos to make them all look like zombies or clowns or something, male and female. At least then it would be funny.

[Vetalia]

It is a proven fact that if a boy sees a girl's shoulder for even one second, it activates the rape switch in their brain and they become rabid. The only way to protect women is to force them to wear burqas because if even one piece of skin is visible, it will turn every man in the area crazy.

I discovered this one weird trick during middle school to deal with immodestly dressed girls, ask me how!

Bear in mind my palms are completely hair covered and I am blind so it may take time to feel out the Braille keyboard.

[Katganistan]

...The trouble with modesty is that its effects cannot be conclusively proven OR disproven, in and of themselves. The best we can go on is who tends to be right and who tends to be wrong on other matters, preferably as closely related to it as possible...

This is such a bizarre way to approach school dress codes. No wonder all your threads about them are this weird.

School dress codes are crap, anyway. As long as people are not bare chested or bare-assed, leave them be.

Dress codes are not proven to do anything to improve grades or a sense of community, for instance. They are arbitrary, forced on girls more than boys, and also discriminate against certain hair types and styles.

Down with dress codes.

[Katganistan]

Jeez, they might as well slap a stereotypical "CENSORED" sticker on there if they're going to make it that obvious...

That would have been less offensive than what they did.

Seriously that's the worst photoshop I've seen in a while.

School photographers often have a "drape" -- a cloth or a backless shirt that students can be lent if someone forgot it was picture day or had a nosebleed all over their clothes. That should have been mandated by school officials if they were going to get hot and bothered over some cleavage.

https://www.prostudiousa.com/Senior-Dra ... P5430.aspx

https://www.seniordrapes.com/

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Imagine thinking this is a productive use of time.

Makes me feel way better about using my time lurking on these forums.

This is a bit of a non-story all around though. I'd prefer if they altered the photos to make them all look like zombies or clowns or something, male and female. At least then it would be funny.

Whenever I feel like a loser, I think of whoever edited this yearbook and think "nah, that's what a total loser looks like."

[Dazchan]

That would have been less offensive than what they did.

Seriously that's the worst photoshop I've seen in a while.

School photographers often have a "drape" -- a cloth or a backless shirt that students can be lent if someone forgot it was picture day or had a nosebleed all over their clothes. That should have been mandated by school officials if they were going to get hot and bothered over some cleavage.

https://www.prostudiousa.com/Senior-Dra ... P5430.aspx

https://www.seniordrapes.com/

I've never seen that before. Then again, the school at which I teach has a uniform, so we don't really need it.

Also, they seem to show more skin than the shirts the girls were actually wearing.

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Any dress code in any setting that pertains to anything more than public health and safety is bullshit.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

I mean, it's what every opinion ultimately boils down to, isn't it? We all are in the dark, to some extent, on who to believe about what. Sometimes we just have to bump into a few corners until we find our way.

No, not really.

So when one side of a topic seems to have a stronger pattern of being wrong more often about a wider variety of things, do you dismiss that as a coincidence?

[Ifreann]

No, not really.

So when one side of a topic seems to have a stronger pattern of being wrong more often about a wider variety of things, do you dismiss that as a coincidence?

When considering the issue of a school very badly editing high school yearbook pictures to remove any visible cleavage, I just think about that issue. I don't factor people being right or wrong about other things into my thinking, because why would I? I don't arrive at the right answer here by looking at orthogonal issues, I'm not playing sudoku.

[Forsher]

Asking teenagers is consulting a third party... the two parties are us Generalites.

I don't even know how to begin responding to this.

We're trying to hash out a consensus (theoretically). This involves the incremental formation of opinion between at least two parties (you and anyone you're talking to). Introducing actual teenagers to the conversation (I know you're older than me and I'm pretty sure GTAA isn't a teen, either) is therefore involving third parties in the process.

And they're not necessarily "right" either. Hell, what they understand modest to mean need not have any correspondence with your, my or GTAA's thoughts. It's obviously scripted (and about the 1980s) but I reject the notion that "you walk out on the street and everything's sex and violence" as claimed... except that doesn't mean they're wrong, it just means we need not be connecting the same idea to the same words.

Just think of, to pick an example we were fond of as teenagers, gags about "OMG I can see your ankles!" as a joke about what modesty meant in another era.

It may be more useful to look to people who you know (or, at least, have some degree of confidence) share the same ideas as you about what the concepts are.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

So when one side of a topic seems to have a stronger pattern of being wrong more often about a wider variety of things, do you dismiss that as a coincidence?

When considering the issue of a school very badly editing high school yearbook pictures to remove any visible cleavage, I just think about that issue. I don't factor people being right or wrong about other things into my thinking, because why would I? I don't arrive at the right answer here by looking at orthogonal issues, I'm not playing sudoku.

But if the judgment that led them to those false conclusions tends to come from the same people, that reflects poorly on the other conclusions they come to, does it not?