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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:20 am

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:For me it's usually less on policy, and more on what is or isn't reasonable to presume of those who disagree with us on policy.

I'm left-wing on gay marriage, but right-wing on the notion that we shouldn't chalk opposition to gay marriage up to homophobia.

I'm left-wing on abortion rights, but right-wing on the notion that we shouldn't chalk opposition to them up to misogyny. (Or whatever is the most popularly presumed motive this week; it always seems to change; sometimes I wonder if we should do a poll.)

Granted, these sort of disagreements DO generally make me wonder if I'm on the wrong side of the issue, but thus far I've never had quite enough doubt to vote for any right-wing parties over them. I do wish there could be some consequences for those who invoke the above questionable assumptions without harming LGBTQ individuals or abortion patients in the process, though. :/

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Motives aside, I find my most right-wing opinions on policy itself tend to be around surveillance and facial recognition technology.

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I think more than anything the problem with the political spectrum is it's a false dichotomy. As if the only reason to support facial recognition is because you're more conservative; as in traditional; even though it's anything but traditional. And what would that make someone who, let's say, is more supportive of religion than I am but less comfortable with facial recognition scanners?


I'm left wing on racial justice but I'm right wing on the idea that black people can't be racist. I'm left wing on supporting the right of Muslims to practice Islam but right wing on the question of "is Islam totally peaceful?"
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Postby Madrinpoor » Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:31 am

I generally hold very centre to centre-left views (at least European-wise), so I'll list my farthest right and farthest left beliefs.

Farthest left: Probably either that polyamorous people should be allowed to marry, which isn't exactly a big mainstream issue but still. A more mainstream leftist thing I agree with is literal open borders—I think we should have very transient borders where people and trade can flow through. Don't know if that's right or left.

Farthest right: I am for unrestricted (but sensible) gun control. People need licenses to use guns of course, or else it's just idiotic, but I don't think we should really ban any guns. I'm also pretty right wing economically (with the exception of taxation) and I think Laissez-faire capitalism is self-renewing and self-regulating and government regulation is bad, unless its for safety or environmental standards.
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:50 am

This is more of a tug of war, but I do find myself betwern the conflict zone of pragmatism vs idealism.

Ideologically, I'm somewhere between social liberalism and market liberalism with a particular emphasis on technological industries—i.e., I wanna strike a (tbh difficult) balance between a welfare state and growth in high-tech industries through business friendly policies.

In practice, I view politics as somekind of chess with different players and voting blocs, and then align with whichever happened to be the best combination. Leading to my current unironic support for secular state capitalists cooperating with genocidal war criminals and conservative Muslims, at the same time. This is since the "SJW liberals" (which I guess share similar stances with me on the social axis), in terms of political reality, are then forced to ally themselves with fundamentalist hardline Muslims, an automatic deal-breaker for me.

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Postby Peoples Republic of Xabia » Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:33 am

Corporate socialism should be axed.
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Postby Schneeland Republic » Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:51 am

Healthcare and education must be provided by the state for free. Both are essential fields which cannot be left to the free market.
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Postby Kubra » Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:52 am

Oh, I think universal basic income is kind of nonsense.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:33 am

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Galloism wrote:I'm kind of all over the map politically.

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1) Universal healthcare just makes sense. Fiscally, practically, mathematically, humanitarian way - it just makes sense.
2) But you can't have my guns! Assault weapons bans and "high capacity magazine" (which is now over 10 rounds for some reason, or "normal capacity" to most people) bans make no sense.
3) Voting should be made easy for everyone who's qualified. This craziness surrounding voting laws is mostly meant to confuse and effectively disenfranchise.
4) But I think we should keep the filibuster. Lots of bad shit has been stopped by the filibuster or modified to be not so bad.
5) But we should make the filibuster like the filibuster of old with one small change - you gotta stand there and talk - on subject - to keep the filibuster going (no Green Eggs and Ham, Mr. Cruz)
6) Minimum wage needs to go up, and be indexed to inflation.
7) But contrary to popular belief, I don't think tipped employees get a bad deal in this regard. They almost never make less than minimum wage in practice and often make quite a bit more. And when they do make less, it's already illegal for the employer to allow that to happen (they're required by law to make up the difference).
8) Reforming the police is very necessary.
9) Abolishing the police is very foolhardy.
10) Racial discrimination in the justice system, especially against black Americans, is real and everpresent, and that needs to change.
11) Sexist discrimination in the justice system, especially against men, is even harsher than that, and that needs to change.
12) Pursuant to 10 and 11, that's why you see so many black men killed by police and so many black men in prison.

That's a small cross section.

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Postby Just-An-Illusion » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:40 am

While I despise both right and left wing politics, I do share both sides views depending on the issue.

Immigration: I think people should be allowed to enter a new nation, but with some restrictions so we can deal with human trafficking.

Capitalism & Communism: I hate both of these things... Mostly because they can get abused by some power hungry politician.


Free Healthcare: I think people should have the right to free healthcare.


Freedom Of Religion: I believe people should have the right to worship and the government has no business taxing churches, synagogues, or mosques.


Gun Right: I think people should be allowed to own guns, but there needs to be some restrictions on who buys it.
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Postby Enjuku » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:07 am

As a run-of-the-mill leftist I got as few. I generally view these as nuanced views though rather than opposing political views.

Left wing: Anyone who doesn't conform with left wing views and immediately apologize for any views outside leftism must be cancelled

My view: People should be allowed to grow and understand things. Not everyone will immediately drop their viewpoints when confronted with new information. That doesn't make them bad people.


Left wing: Capitalism is always bad and socialism is always good

My view: We're evolving past the need to define society into the two categories of capitalism and socialism. The world is no longer the industrialized stratification system Karl Marx saw in the factories. While we should oppose capitalism as a concept and strive to give workers their due from their labor, I'd rather we focus more on meeting people's basic needs regardless of their place in the work hierarchy. This leads me down some capitalist-esque views like supporting lower taxes and letting the private sector handle things if they can do it efficienctly. Not very leftist of me, but if it gets a basic need to somebody, I'm cool with it.


Some on the left wing: Identity politics is a bad thing and we should look at everything with class analysis instead
Others on the left wing: Class analysis ignores intersectional factors like race, gender, and sexual orientation, so identity politics is vital

My view: Both are important. There are some problems that only stem from racism or sexism. Sometimes representation is a good thing. Also, some problems only stem from class and economic reasons. Some very bad people can share your identity. What's important is to not ignore race in favor of class or class in favor of race. This is especially important for me as a Asian, where issues facing Asians gets disregarded because of the model minority myth so leftists assume Asians don't struggle economically or aren't part of the working class.


Left and Right: Liberal democracy is ideal and the only form of acceptable government

My view: Democracy is great, but it isn't the perfect form of government. Constitutions are great, but they aren't the end-all be-all. Liberal democracy as a concept is only a few hundred years old. I think there are good things in non-democratic governments (especially how they process things efficiently or provide basic needs to people) that democracies can implement. But it's hard to balance because we always associate non-democracy with brutal dictatorships. I don't know the right answer, but I do take the "we must protect our democracy" rhetoric with a grain of salt. If a country works well and it doesn't tick every liberal democracy box, let it be.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:16 am

I lean fairly left on most issues and have voted almost wholly blue in the last 2 cycles.

My views that aren't considered "left-wing" by American standards would be my relative support for gun rights, confusion over so-called "cancel culture," judicial restraint, opposition to affirmative action, among a few other more niche things (IE loosening licensing guidelines, general opposition to eminent domain in favor of strict legal property rights, just small-scale shit). I also recognize that the American welfare state isn't stable, and while we need a strong safety net for our most vulnerable, I'm interested in proposals by some who would favor shrinking that apparatus gradually in favor of a basic income, possibly in conjunction with a sort of NIT.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:19 am

I love how some people will say "I'm against both the left and the right) and then their views are ironically rather left wing (Tim Steinfort im looking at you cause you think apolitical means "I'm not a Nazi").
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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:23 am

I’m fine with gun ownership and self-defense. I just balance it with wanting folks who have guns to be required to get liability insurance and safety training.
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:52 pm

Another would be my liberalism vs practical politics. I support free speech and open political discourse, but given a choice, I will absolutely use state force to conduct some kind of mass arrest of the radical Islamists or (more likely) abuse my position to use intelligence agencies, etc. to manufacture or uncover scandals and perform surgical arrests with the goal of strategically weakening and disarming the movement.

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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:57 pm

I think the workers should own the means of production.
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