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Chernoslavia wrote:

Galloism wrote:

Read between the lines.

I did. That's still quite different than ''Mexicans are rapists''. Pretty sure he's referring to illegal immigrants.

Chernoslavia wrote:

Galloism wrote:

Read between the lines.

I did. That's still quite different than ''Mexicans are rapists''. Pretty sure he's referring to illegal immigrants.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
I did. That's still quite different than ''Mexicans are rapists''. Pretty sure he's referring to illegal immigrants.

Chernoslavia wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:And the illegal immigrants where Mexicans.

Therefor: Mexicans are rapists.

Wrong. Also, illegals aren't just Mexican some come from other countries in Latin America.

Chernoslavia wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

And the illegal immigrants where Mexicans.

Therefor: Mexicans are rapists.

Wrong. Also, illegals aren't just Mexican some come from other countries in Latin America.

Galloism wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
I did. That's still quite different than ''Mexicans are rapists''. Pretty sure he's referring to illegal immigrants.

Legal immigrants don't wear a state issued sticker on their forehead.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:Wrong. Also, illegals aren't just Mexican some come from other countries in Latin America.

Then why didn't he mention that? He only said Mexican.

And again, you are missing the point. He lied in 2016. He lied in 2021. He is continuing to lie to even this day.

He is an unreliable source of information. When he stumbles on the odd truthful thing, no one believes it because he is a known liar.

Australian rePublic wrote:It's hilarious to watch left-winged media outlets in the USA such as CNN pathetically justify why they dismissed this theory soley because it was proposed by Trump, as if they couldn't actually do their own research

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:It's hilarious to watch left-winged media outlets in the USA such as CNN pathetically justify why they dismissed this theory soley because it was proposed by Trump, as if they couldn't actually do their own research

It was incredibly blatant free speech censorship and I hope to see them all collapse from a lack of viewership. This was the biggest American censorship operation in history. The Democratic Party screams "CONSPIRACY", "RACISM", and/or "TRUMPIST" at anything they don't like and now people are starting to notice

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Great Algerstonia wrote:It was incredibly blatant free speech censorship and I hope to see them all collapse from a lack of viewership. This was the biggest American censorship operation in history. The Democratic Party screams "CONSPIRACY", "RACISM", and/or "TRUMPIST" at anything they don't like and now people are starting to notice

Censorship is when a bad source that lies is called out to be a bad source that lies.

The worse the source the more censorship it is.

"This was the biggest American censorship operation in history." Give me a break man. You can't just claim things like that on a whim.

Great Algerstonia wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Censorship is when a bad source that lies is called out to be a bad source that lies.

The worse the source the more censorship it is.

"This was the biggest American censorship operation in history." Give me a break man. You can't just claim things like that on a whim.

What censorship operation was worse than American government, every mainstream media, and every social media collaborating to censor out a theory that now looks legitimate, and harassing anyone that speaks out? This was worse than the Red Scare.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:You can blame the PRC for lieing about how bad covid is and possibly being irresponsible with there lab standards.

Great Algerstonia wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Censorship is when a bad source that lies is called out to be a bad source that lies.

The worse the source the more censorship it is.

"This was the biggest American censorship operation in history." Give me a break man. You can't just claim things like that on a whim.

What censorship operation was worse than American government, every mainstream media, and every social media collaborating to censor out a theory that now looks legitimate, and harassing anyone that speaks out? This was worse than the Red Scare.

Great Algerstonia wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Censorship is when a bad source that lies is called out to be a bad source that lies.

The worse the source the more censorship it is.

"This was the biggest American censorship operation in history." Give me a break man. You can't just claim things like that on a whim.

What censorship operation was worse than American government, every mainstream media, and every social media collaborating to censor out a theory that now looks legitimate, and harassing anyone that speaks out? This was worse than the Red Scare.

Chernoslavia wrote:

Galloism wrote:Legal immigrants don't wear a state issued sticker on their forehead.

Ok and? He didn't say ''Mexicans are rapists'', that would mean that all Mexicans or Mexicans in general which he clearly wasn't implying, he's obviously referring to illegal immigrants who aren't all Mexican.

Great Algerstonia wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Censorship is when a bad source that lies is called out to be a bad source that lies.

The worse the source the more censorship it is.

"This was the biggest American censorship operation in history." Give me a break man. You can't just claim things like that on a whim.

What censorship operation was worse than American government, every mainstream media, and every social media collaborating to censor out a theory that now looks legitimate, and harassing anyone that speaks out? This was worse than the Red Scare.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Great Algerstonia wrote:What censorship operation was worse than American government, every mainstream media, and every social media collaborating to censor out a theory that now looks legitimate, and harassing anyone that speaks out? This was worse than the Red Scare.

No it fucking wasn't lmao, this is so ridiculous I refuse to believe you actually think it. The Red Scare led to entire movements being legally banned, American citizens assassinated by the FBI etc etc. It was so much worse than you seem to think.

Grave_n_idle wrote:

Great Algerstonia wrote:What censorship operation was worse than American government, every mainstream media, and every social media collaborating to censor out a theory that now looks legitimate, and harassing anyone that speaks out? This was worse than the Red Scare.

There is no 'legitimate' theory.

From the very start, the most likely route of the virus into the human population has been direct exposure. While that direct exposure COULD have included a lab setting, it's an unnecessary extra step with no evidence to support it.

And this issue has been confused by conspiracy theorists insisting that the virus was not just released from a lab, but deliberately released from a lab, AND engineered in the lab for the purpose of release. Both of which 'theories' are incredibly unlikely, given what we know of the science.

The media choosing not to peddle baseless conspiracy theories that are actually contrary to the evidence is not 'censorship', it's good journalism.

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No it fucking wasn't lmao, this is so ridiculous I refuse to believe you actually think it. The Red Scare led to entire movements being legally banned, American citizens assassinated by the FBI etc etc. It was so much worse than you seem to think.

I suppose it was, I was unaware of the latter. View changed

Great Algerstonia wrote:Theyre not baseless. If it was baseless, then there wouldnt be strong bipartisan support to defund the wuhan institute of virology.

Great Algerstonia wrote:Nor would the CDC state it's a direct possibility.

Great Algerstonia wrote:And who cares that it was inflated by conspiracy theorists, if the CDC discounts a theory because of a bunch of conspiracies then they are extremely bad at their jobs

Great Algerstonia wrote:And theres no such thing as good journalism anymore, more like "good activism" with a journalism nametag sticker

Grave_n_idle wrote:No, that's how science works. You base the theory on the evidence, not the other way around.

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:

Grave_n_idle wrote:No, that's how science works. You base the theory on the evidence, not the other way around.

You say this as if science wasn't as beholden to those funding it as every other job.

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No it fucking wasn't lmao, this is so ridiculous I refuse to believe you actually think it. The Red Scare led to entire movements being legally banned, American citizens assassinated by the FBI etc etc. It was so much worse than you seem to think.

I suppose it was, I was unaware of the latter. View changed

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:

Grave_n_idle wrote:No, that's how science works. You base the theory on the evidence, not the other way around.

You say this as if science wasn't as beholden to those funding it as every other job.

Leading biologist dampens his ‘smoking gun’ Covid lab leak theory
Nobel laureate David Baltimore says he overstated case, and the origins of the virus are still unknown

A Nobel prize-winning US biologist, who has been widely quoted describing a “smoking gun” to support the thesis that Covid-19 was genetically modified and escaped from a Wuhan lab, has said he overstated the case.

David Baltimore, a distinguished biology professor, had become one of the most prominent figures cited by proponents of the so-called lab leak theory.

Originally quoted in an article in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists in May, and widely requoted since, Baltimore had appeared to suggest that a specific feature in Covid-19’s genome, known as the furin cleavage site, was the “smoking gun” to the theory the virus had been contained inside a laboratory and then escaped via a leak.

“These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for Sars2,” he said at the time.

In recent days, however, Baltimore has told a fellow researcher, the scientific journal Nature and the LA Times that – while he had been quoted accurately in the bulletin – he should not have used the phrase “smoking gun” and was uncertain what the feature proved regarding the origins of the virus – natural or otherwise.

In an email exchange with the Los Angeles Times, Baltimore conceded he had overstated the case and that he had an open mind on the matter.

“[I] should have softened the phrase ‘smoking gun’ because I don’t believe that it proves the origin of the furin cleavage site but it does sound that way.

“I believe that the question of whether the sequence was put in naturally or by molecular manipulation is very hard to determine but I wouldn’t rule out either origin.”

Baltimore also clarified his stance in an exchange with Nature, saying: “There are other possibilities and they need careful consideration, which is all I meant to be saying.”

Given his considerable reputation, Baltimore’s dramatic “smoking gun” quote in early May had driven a lot of the recent resurgence of interest in the Wuhan lab leak theory in tandem with renewed reporting of unverified intelligence claims that three staff at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were hospitalised in November 2019 with symptoms consistent either with Covid-19 or seasonal flu.

That in turn led the US president, Joe Biden, to order intelligence agencies to report back in 90 days on what was known about the origins of the virus, amid calls from the World Health Organization to “depoliticise” the debate around how Covid-19 first infected humans.

Biden’s call is set to be underlined in a joint statement by the US and the EU which is expected to call for “progress on a transparent, evidence-based, and expert-led WHO-convened phase 2 study on the origins of Covid-19, that is free from interference”.

In the midst of the renewed controversy, one of the key scientific debates has drilled down into whether the virus’s furin cleavage site is so novel that it occurred through human manipulation rather than evolving naturally.

Supporting the latter theory, some scientists point out that the same feature occurs in other common coronaviruses including ones that cause colds and that it appears intermittently in the family tree of coronaviruses.

Baltimore’s clarification came as he was also challenged in Nature on another of his claims relating to Covid-19, that the coding of a segment found in the furin cleavage site was not usually found in viruses, with a fellow scientist pointing out the same coding was also a feature of the Sars virus.