Wuhan Lab Might be COVID Origin

[-SARS-]

Let's face it, the 50s had the right idea on this one. We "opened China up to the rest of the world" in the hopes that would help reform it. This theory has been a dismal failure.

It couldn't have possibly been any other way. The world had seen what happened when the USSR began opening up its system to the world and it seemed to be obvious that the free market would also lead to a free people, but the world was evidently gravely mistaken. Now enough time has passed that the Taiwanese have a strong identity of their own and there are few who hold any belief that the Guomindang will ever "retake the mainland" or even desire to do so.

Reform can come in many ways. It does not have to have any connection with Taiwanese claims to the mainland.

Things were headed the right direction under Hu. There was still plenty of room for improvement, but things were headed the right direction. It goes back to what Bombadil was saying that the problem is specifically Xi Jinping. When Xi took power, that was when the authoritarian backsliding started.

[Nilokeras]

The PRC is an artificial racist state built upon Han dominance of other peoples.

I have some bad news for you about the concept of the Westphalian nation-state

[Vassenor]

The PRC is an artificial racist state built upon Han dominance of other peoples.

-looks at all the countries created as relics of western colonialism-

[Phenix Springs]

Oh no. So it might’ve come from a lab after all.

This is embarrassing for the mainstream media and NSG moderators.

[Albrenia]

Oh no. So it might’ve come from a lab after all.

This is embarrassing for the mainstream media and NSG moderators.

Not really, changing one's opinion as new evidence comes to light is good policy. Just saying "It was released by the Chinese!" without evidence is a bad idea, even if you later turn out to have guessed right.

[Phenix Springs]

Oh no. So it might’ve come from a lab after all.

This is embarrassing for the mainstream media and NSG moderators.

Not really, changing one's opinion as new evidence comes to light is good policy. Just saying "It was released by the Chinese!" without evidence is a bad idea, even if you later turn out to have guessed right.

It’ll just be funny to see the moderators and the other NSG-dwellers seethe when they can’t have somebody immediately banned for ”COVID misinformation”.

[Vassenor]

Not really, changing one's opinion as new evidence comes to light is good policy. Just saying "It was released by the Chinese!" without evidence is a bad idea, even if you later turn out to have guessed right.

It’ll just be funny to see the moderators and the other NSG-dwellers seethe when they can’t have somebody immediately banned for ”COVID misinformation”.

Misinformation like what?

[Nilokeras]

Oh no. So it might’ve come from a lab after all.

Nah. The genome of the virus doesn't match anything worked on at WIV and shows no signs of gain-of-function experimentation. This is all hot air.

[Gouverne]

Yes, I knew that the US will say something like thus one day. Man, I understand that America is extremely jealous because China has managed to contain the Covid-19 virus

What makes you so sure that China, an actual fascist dictatorship, isn't lying about its numbers like North Korea (probably) or Turkmenistan are?

If China had high COVID numbers, people like you would be like "LOOK SEE THE VIRUS IS OUT OF CONTROL THEYRE NOT CONTROLLING IT PROPERLY" then when they have low numbers, you would say "theyre lying" which is exactly what you are doing rn. If you go to China (which I doubt you would), you can see that they've been out of lockdown for many many months. Little outbreaks here or there, but people aren't getting sick en masse and the hospitals are fine. "how do you know they're not lying" is a lame excuse for a bad COVID response from the american gov and distracts away from the actual issue of caring for people's health.

[The Black Forrest]

Not really, changing one's opinion as new evidence comes to light is good policy. Just saying "It was released by the Chinese!" without evidence is a bad idea, even if you later turn out to have guessed right.

It’ll just be funny to see the moderators and the other NSG-dwellers seethe when they can’t have somebody immediately banned for ”COVID misinformation”.

*shrugs*. Nobody seethes. Banning doesn’t work that way. You get warned a few times before before being banned. People earn their ban.

[The Black Forrest]

I am not sure how reliable this is and the claim may be extraordinary but here we go:

EXCLUSIVE: COVID-19 'has NO credible natural ancestor' and WAS created by Chinese scientists who then tried to cover their tracks with 'retro-engineering' to make it seem like it naturally arose from bats, explosive new study claims



Secondary Sauces:

https://meaww.com/angus-dalgleish-birge ... e-engineer

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... 3-amp.html

The Study in Question: https://www.minervanett.no/files/2020/0 ... alEvol.pdf

"Actually covid was genetically engineered, but it doesn't look that way cause the ebul scawy Chinese re-engineered it to look normal."

This is the same level of logic as "Hillary Clinton is a reptilian in a skin suit, but I have no evidence because she never takes the skinsuit off."

A reptilian? If that is true, her coolness just went up.

[Cereskia]

I would say that this is a bit made up, cause the articles are a bit sketchy

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Oh no. So it might’ve come from a lab after all.

This is embarrassing for the mainstream media and NSG moderators.

Not really, changing one's opinion as new evidence comes to light is good policy. Just saying "It was released by the Chinese!" without evidence is a bad idea, even if you later turn out to have guessed right.

Circumstantial evidence is still a form of evidence, and the lengths China went to in trying to cover up this pandemic in the first place before it couldn't be covered up anymore, or the fact that samples of other viruses sent to Wuhan weren't sent through the proper procedure, seemed awfully suspicious even before mainstream medicine admitted as much. The medical sciences can be just as corrupted by perverse incentives as every other walk of life.

As such, when the people citing this circumstantial evidence turn out to be right, and the people downplaying it turn out to be wrong, that reflects well on the reasoning of the former, and poorly on the reasoning of the latter.

The hypothesis that the W.H.O. can be trusted has been tested, and it has been disproven.

[Picairn]

It’ll just be funny to see the moderators and the other NSG-dwellers seethe when they can’t have somebody immediately banned for ”COVID misinformation”.

Ahhhh, people reading the title of an article and instantly reinforce their biases without critically examining the evidence, a classic.

[South Welford]

Oh no. So it might’ve come from a lab after all.

Nah. The genome of the virus doesn't match anything worked on at WIV and shows no signs of gain-of-function experimentation. This is all hot air.

Usually the absence of a ballast means that a hot-air balloon, such as the one you describe, may stay afloat far longer than the pilot intended. I’m sure you’re familiar of the detailed role a scientist and their colleagues play with assuaging that.

[Galloism]

British Intelligence now believes the lab leak is a plausible theory.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

What makes you so sure that China, an actual fascist dictatorship, isn't lying about its numbers like North Korea (probably) or Turkmenistan are?

If China had high COVID numbers, people like you would be like "LOOK SEE THE VIRUS IS OUT OF CONTROL THEYRE NOT CONTROLLING IT PROPERLY" then when they have low numbers, you would say "theyre lying" which is exactly what you are doing rn. If you go to China (which I doubt you would), you can see that they've been out of lockdown for many many months. Little outbreaks here or there, but people aren't getting sick en masse and the hospitals are fine. "how do you know they're not lying" is a lame excuse for a bad COVID response from the american gov and distracts away from the actual issue of caring for people's health.

It's too bad China took two months to actually tell anyone this was happening. Coulda saved more lives but big brother doesn't like to admit he fucked up.

[National Capitalist United States]

The PRC is an artificial racist state built upon Han dominance of other peoples.

-looks at all the countries created as relics of western colonialism-

"bUt WhAt AbOuT"

[Vassenor]

-looks at all the countries created as relics of western colonialism-

"bUt WhAt AbOuT"

Where's the lie though?

[AFTOA]

Oh no. So it might’ve come from a lab after all.

Nah. The genome of the virus doesn't match anything worked on at WIV and shows no signs of gain-of-function experimentation. This is all hot air.

yeah, some idiot ate this vicous bat soup thing and got da coronavirus.

[AFTOA]

British Intelligence now believes the lab leak is a plausible theory.

hah, i doubt that, ITS DA BAT SOOP!!!!!!

[Paddy O Fernature]

Shocked I say, simply shocked.

[AFTOA]

I would say that this is a bit made up, cause the articles are a bit sketchy

why is everybody arguing? cant we all conclude that bat soup = corona origin???

[All China]

Even western media admits that this is an anti-facts anti-China conspiracy theory

It is time that everyone stop blaming China for their own problems. Western nations mishandled their Covid responses. Meanwhile China has tamed Covid and is back to normal. It isn’t China’s fault that the West has incompetent governments.

Maybe if the West learned from Chinese government efficiency they wouldn’t get into pandemic messes. West is obsessed with “liberty” and “freedom” which leads to chaos and needing government to lock them down anyway. Meanwhile China citizens listen to the government and obey the laws and regulations on Covid and look, the numbers are small and China reopens in 2020 and has been reopen since.

Any attempt to say Covid made in a lab is just a baseless conspiracy theory that makes China a boogeyman. Just like the Uyghur conspiracy it is not ground in facts or reality.

[All China]

What makes you so sure that China, an actual fascist dictatorship, isn't lying about its numbers like North Korea (probably) or Turkmenistan are?

If China had high COVID numbers, people like you would be like "LOOK SEE THE VIRUS IS OUT OF CONTROL THEYRE NOT CONTROLLING IT PROPERLY" then when they have low numbers, you would say "theyre lying" which is exactly what you are doing rn. If you go to China (which I doubt you would), you can see that they've been out of lockdown for many many months. Little outbreaks here or there, but people aren't getting sick en masse and the hospitals are fine. "how do you know they're not lying" is a lame excuse for a bad COVID response from the american gov and distracts away from the actual issue of caring for people's health.

This is the truths about what is happening. China has been opened and normal for months now while the rest of the world struggles to keep its people under control.

But don’t tell Western media that, anything to make China the movie villain in their narrative.