Should all travel to Switzerland be cause for suspicion?

[GuessTheAltAccount]

As we all know, Switzerland is notorious for letting crooks from other countries hide their ill-gotten gains in exchange for a cut of the money. But in case you're less familiar, here's how Wolf Of Wall Street summed it up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndTbiDQjbiE

What I'm thinking is, if the instant Belfort was booked for a trip to Switzerland, this were treated as probable cause to have law enforcement do co-ordinated searches of his properties, his family members' properties, his friends' properties, his workplace, his communications, etc... they probably would've had enough evidence of his crimes then and there to put him away for years, or at least force him to rat out his accomplices.

So why aren't we doing this by default? Why doesn't law enforcement treat travel to Switzerland as automatic cause for suspicion such that we can identify a lot of these crooks a lot sooner, and tell people wanting to see mountains to go to Alaska, and people just wanting chocolate to go to Belgium?

[Nilokeras]

Folks, we've found it

the most 'i've thought about this problem for thirty seconds and I think I've come up with some pretty good solutions' post to have ever existed

[J o J]

Uh, what happens to Swiss immigrants who are returning to their homelands to visit relatives?
What about diplomats?
What about emigrants?
What about people going to visit a friend they met online?

[Heloin]

Why travel to China to see the Great Wall? My wall in the back garden is pretty fucking great, I don't see a single Mongolian horde out there.

[Nordeslund]

You never know who might be a fondue smuggler.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Uh, what happens to Swiss immigrants who are returning to their homelands to visit relatives?
What about diplomats?
What about emigrants?
What about people going to visit a friend they met online?

If they're not up to something they have nothing to fear from a search of their property. But I don't want everyone who has family or diplomatic business in Switzerland to use that as an excuse to make big bucks smuggling scam profits for stock fraudsters.

Also, visiting a foreign friend you met online? Are people that desperate for friends somehow also that incapable of meeting one from their own country?

[Comerciante]

Why travel to China to see the Great Wall? My wall in the back garden is pretty fucking great, I don't see a single Mongolian horde out there.

Mate, you can't say stuff like that, they might take it as a challenge!

[Mzeusia]

How would I climb the Swiss Alps without going to Switzerland?

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Why travel to China to see the Great Wall? My wall in the back garden is pretty fucking great, I don't see a single Mongolian horde out there.

If the world co-ordinated an international ban on travel from China when this pandemic started, it could have been stopped. Hopefully next time people wake up and stop whining about how "xenophobic" that is. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

But travel doesn't need to be cut off until travel is a problem. Pre-coronavirus, when SARS seemed to be a one-off, if people wanted to go to China that was their business. Even now, it's none of our business until we know they subsequently intend on leaving China. We knew it was a deal with the devil, but it didn't seem to cause as much harm as allowing crooks to hide their money and continue to walk free was.

It all depends on which particular kinds of harms which particular countries do to which other countries. The lion's share of China's harm (pun intended) especially pre-coronavirus was to their own citizens. Switzerland cashes in on foreign crooks, harming foreign countries by allowing these foreign crooks to walk free.

[Bear Stearns]

Switzerland is based.

[Immortan Khan]

Considering that 10-12 million people visit Switzerland for tourism alone every year, you're asking for a lot of money to spent on nothing.

[Risottia]

Yes! It's not like anyone would got to Switzerland to work every day, or to buy stuff in their malls, or to enjoy the Swiss mountains, or to cross the Gotthard, or to teach at their universities, or to visit the Verkhershaus...
naaaah...
FFS
And I don't mean "Ferrovie Federali Svizzere".

[Duvniask]

So why aren't we doing this by default? Why doesn't law enforcement treat travel to Switzerland as automatic cause for suspicion such that we can identify a lot of these crooks a lot sooner, and tell people wanting to see mountains to go to Alaska, and people just wanting chocolate to go to Belgium?

Because it's stupid for law enforcement to waste time and resources on every single tourist, relative, financier and business trip going to Switzerland. There were over 1.1 million arrivals in Switzerland in 2019 from the United States alone. You want all these people placed on a list or something?

[Risottia]

So why aren't we doing this by default? Why doesn't law enforcement treat travel to Switzerland as automatic cause for suspicion such that we can identify a lot of these crooks a lot sooner, and tell people wanting to see mountains to go to Alaska, and people just wanting chocolate to go to Belgium?

Because it's stupid for law enforcement to waste time and resources on every single tourist, relative, financier and business trip going to Switzerland. There were over 1.1 million arrivals in Switzerland in 2019 from the United States alone. You want all these people placed on a list or something?

Also, one could just buy a ticket to Milan Malpensa or Basel-Mulhouse-Freiburg and just take a regional or suburban train to CH.

[New Swaraelia]

"Eggs can be shoved down someone's throat and kill them, let's investigate the family histories, take blood tests and read through the property deeds of everyone who buys them"-This guy, probably

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Yes! It's not like anyone would got to Switzerland to work every day, or to buy stuff in their malls, or to enjoy the Swiss mountains, or to cross the Gotthard, or to teach at their universities, or to visit the Verkhershaus...
naaaah...
FFS
And I don't mean "Ferrovie Federali Svizzere".

Well, the more society looks on travel ties with Switzerland with suspicion, the more incentive they have to stop their banks from collaborating with crooks.

[Risottia]

Yes! It's not like anyone would got to Switzerland to work every day, or to buy stuff in their malls, or to enjoy the Swiss mountains, or to cross the Gotthard, or to teach at their universities, or to visit the Verkhershaus...
naaaah...
FFS
And I don't mean "Ferrovie Federali Svizzere".

Well, the more society looks on travel ties with Switzerland with suspicion, the more incentive they have to stop their banks from collaborating with crooks.

Looks like you're not very up-to-date with the status of the Swiss bank secrecy laws and relative international agreements.
Also why the fuck should I be viewed with suspicion?

[Galloism]

Well, the more society looks on travel ties with Switzerland with suspicion, the more incentive they have to stop their banks from collaborating with crooks.

Looks like you're not very up-to-date with the status of the Swiss bank secrecy laws and relative international agreements.
Also why the fuck should I be viewed with suspicion?

You look pretty shifty to me.

[Kubra]

Yes! It's not like anyone would got to Switzerland to work every day, or to buy stuff in their malls, or to enjoy the Swiss mountains, or to cross the Gotthard, or to teach at their universities, or to visit the Verkhershaus...
naaaah...
FFS
And I don't mean "Ferrovie Federali Svizzere".

weeeeeell of someone can afford to shop at Swiss malls that's already probable cause

[Nilokeras]

Looks like you're not very up-to-date with the status of the Swiss bank secrecy laws and relative international agreements.

Very suspicious.

What's the Swiss equivalent of the wumao posting brigade and is the OP a member of a secret Swiss op to make opposition to Swiss influence look bad?

I think we have a right to know.

[The Huskar Social Union]

What a thread

[Xmara]

Are you being serious right now?

Why travel to China to see the Great Wall? My wall in the back garden is pretty fucking great, I don't see a single Mongolian horde out there.

If the world co-ordinated an international ban on travel from China when this pandemic started, it could have been stopped. Hopefully next time people wake up and stop whining about how "xenophobic" that is. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

But travel doesn't need to be cut off until travel is a problem. Pre-coronavirus, when SARS seemed to be a one-off, if people wanted to go to China that was their business. Even now, it's none of our business until we know they subsequently intend on leaving China. We knew it was a deal with the devil, but it didn't seem to cause as much harm as allowing crooks to hide their money and continue to walk free was.

It all depends on which particular kinds of harms which particular countries do to which other countries. The lion's share of China's harm (pun intended) especially pre-coronavirus was to their own citizens. Switzerland cashes in on foreign crooks, harming foreign countries by allowing these foreign crooks to walk free.

This is not even remotely the same as investigating all travel to Switzerland.

[Heloin]

Why travel to China to see the Great Wall? My wall in the back garden is pretty fucking great, I don't see a single Mongolian horde out there.

If the world co-ordinated an international ban on travel from China when this pandemic started, it could have been stopped. Hopefully next time people wake up and stop whining about how "xenophobic" that is. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

But travel doesn't need to be cut off until travel is a problem. Pre-coronavirus, when SARS seemed to be a one-off, if people wanted to go to China that was their business. Even now, it's none of our business until we know they subsequently intend on leaving China. We knew it was a deal with the devil, but it didn't seem to cause as much harm as allowing crooks to hide their money and continue to walk free was.

It all depends on which particular kinds of harms which particular countries do to which other countries. The lion's share of China's harm (pun intended) especially pre-coronavirus was to their own citizens. Switzerland cashes in on foreign crooks, harming foreign countries by allowing these foreign crooks to walk free.

You're just jealous that your great wall can't keep out Mongolians like mine can.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No.

Some people just want chocolate

[Ethel mermania]

Well, the more society looks on travel ties with Switzerland with suspicion, the more incentive they have to stop their banks from collaborating with crooks.

Looks like you're not very up-to-date with the status of the Swiss bank secrecy laws and relative international agreements.
Also why the fuck should I be viewed with suspicion?

How do you feel about fondue smuggling?