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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon May 24, 2021 8:33 am

Mercatus wrote:The thing is... politicians, virologists, and everyone affiliated are hell bent on taking control of our lives.

While this notion doesn’t excuse any murders the man may commit, it says a lot about what’s happening right now. If someone is going to these lengths to resist something, then maybe we’re doing things wrong.


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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon May 24, 2021 8:35 am

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Necroghastia wrote:oh please do tell me more about how and why virologists are bent on world domination


Maybe it’s the fact that they believe themselves to be so intellectually superior that they can just micromanage everything? People in charge act like we can’t think for ourselves, and their position of power makes that notion a threat to liberty. We have gone to insane lengths in the name of safety, to the point where there is little room for personal choice.


Yeah because what's often considered "thinking for yourself" is basically listening to Donald Trump downplaying the virus and then proceeding to put people's lives at risk cause "masks are tyranny," and whatever other bullshit gets thrown out there. You wanna know why virologists act like they know more about disease than you do? Come close, I'll whisper it in your ear. It's because they studied that shit for years and have a PhD in Epidemiology unlike most of us here, Pro or anti mask.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon May 24, 2021 8:36 am

Mercatus wrote:The thing is... politicians, virologists, and everyone affiliated are hell bent on taking control of our lives.

While this notion doesn’t excuse any murders the man may commit, it says a lot about what’s happening right now. If someone is going to these lengths to resist something, then maybe we’re doing things wrong.

Yes, everyone I know who went into virology is a real megalomaniac bent on social and political domination, that’s why they wanted to commit their whole lives to the kind of obscure and risky medical research that’s helped liberate humanity from the microbial holocaust
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Postby Nakena » Mon May 24, 2021 8:38 am

Mercatus wrote:Maybe it’s the fact that they believe themselves to be so intellectually superior that they can just micromanage everything? People in charge act like we can’t think for ourselves, and their position of power makes that notion a threat to liberty. We have gone to insane lengths in the name of safety, to the point where there is little room for personal choice.


I can think for myself too and recognized very early on last year that this would to get rough. Got a lot of extra supplies and material. Turned out to be the right decision. I can also think for myself enough that as much fucked as the system is, when shit is real its real. And this is the real shit. It happens every then and now. And if one is being ignorant about that reality, then fuck them.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon May 24, 2021 8:39 am

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Mercatus wrote:Maybe it’s the fact that they believe themselves to be so intellectually superior that they can just micromanage everything? People in charge act like we can’t think for ourselves, and their position of power makes that notion a threat to liberty. We have gone to insane lengths in the name of safety, to the point where there is little room for personal choice.


I can think for myself too and recognized very early on last year that this would to get rough. Got a lot of extra supplies and material. Turned out to be the right decision. I can also think for myself enough that as much fucked as the system is, when shit is real its real. And this is the real shit. It happens every then and now. And if one is being ignorant about that reality, then fuck them.


You know, it's funny how alot of American right wingers warn people about shit like FEMA death camps and antifa attacks on July 4th, but then when something actually bad is happening like climate change or covid, they're the first to deny it.
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Postby Andsed » Mon May 24, 2021 8:58 am

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Neanderthaland wrote:Yeah, just because they're experts on a subject, and have spent their whole lives studying it... how dare they pretend to know more about it than the rest of us!


I didn’t say that they don’t know more than us, what I said was that they think it’s all fine and dandy to dictate our everyday lives so long as it’s in the name of “safety”.

If people are unwilling to comply, let them be that way. You can choose not to go outside, socially distance, or wear a mask if you’re that worried, but forcing others to do it is not something we should deem acceptable.

When we’re dealing with a pandemic restrictions are totally acceptable. Dealing with a pandemic is not a matter of personal choice since refusing to comply with safety measure risks worsening the pandemic and infecting others. We don’t allow people to just have a license to drive or invite drunk driving because of the risk it poses to other drivers. Are you gonna accuse the DMV of “micromanaging things?”
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon May 24, 2021 9:02 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I can think for myself too and recognized very early on last year that this would to get rough. Got a lot of extra supplies and material. Turned out to be the right decision. I can also think for myself enough that as much fucked as the system is, when shit is real its real. And this is the real shit. It happens every then and now. And if one is being ignorant about that reality, then fuck them.


You know, it's funny how alot of American right wingers warn people about shit like FEMA death camps and antifa attacks on July 4th, but then when something actually bad is happening like climate change or covid, they're the first to deny it.

It's almost as though the far right can only survive by making boogeymen out of political opponents and spinning mild inconveniences as horrific attacks on liberty.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon May 24, 2021 2:38 pm

This guy hasn't even fired a shot and has already cost the Belgium government $25 million.

Is that really all it takes these days?
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Postby Saiwania » Mon May 24, 2021 2:58 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:This guy hasn't even fired a shot and has already cost the Belgium government $25 million. Is that really all it takes these days?


It is probably seen as more urgent to find him because he stole the military weaponry that he otherwise wouldn't be allowed to possess off duty or as a civilian. He's left the rocket launchers behind but is said to still have an FN P90 submachinegun. Its not a given that he'll use any of the military weaponry to do a mass shooting but that is the fear.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed May 26, 2021 11:14 am

This explains a lot about the state of the Belgian military.

Good soldiers are hard to find.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed May 26, 2021 12:07 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:This guy hasn't even fired a shot and has already cost the Belgium government $25 million.

Is that really all it takes these days?


Has been for years. Just look at the billions we are spending to protect ourselves from terrorism - while terrorists just need a few guns or a stolen truck. Finance wise, terrorist groups were winning: they spent 1000 euros, the state 10 million plus reduced freedom.
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Postby San Marlindo » Thu May 27, 2021 9:04 pm

I've heard the Belgian Army is ridiculously lax when it comes to everything.

Deeply concerned about how this individual was able to steal multiple state issue weapons, not just his personal service rifle...including grenades, an anti-tank launcher(!) and the associated ammunition(!!). No idea how he managed to do this, that kind of weaponry should be in an armory somewhere under 24/7 guard and never signed out unless there's clearly some kind of major exercise or deployment underway.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu May 27, 2021 9:34 pm

San Marlindo wrote:I've heard the Belgian Army is ridiculously lax when it comes to everything.

Deeply concerned about how this individual was able to steal multiple state issue weapons, not just his personal service rifle...including grenades, an anti-tank launcher(!) and the associated ammunition(!!). No idea how he managed to do this, that kind of weaponry should be in an armory somewhere under 24/7 guard and never signed out unless there's clearly some kind of major exercise or deployment underway.

I heard that apparently he had a job training the Belgian army since he was a former soldier, in which case he could have simply created an excuse that he was taking these weapons to give a show and tell to recruits.

In that case it'd be easy to whip up some sort of fake lesson to give to the guard showing that it's to instruct new soldiers what types of weapons they're expected to be trained in.

Only thing I could question would be he'd have to limit what ammunition he could take for the P90, it's not exactly a common round, even if he could smuggle it in.
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Postby Bassoe » Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:02 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:This explains a lot about the state of the Belgian military.

Good soldiers are hard to find.

From my admittedly limited understanding, their military is so tiny that they can't be selective and throw out anyone, no matter how obviously insane, or they wouldn't have a military.

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Postby Kubra » Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:05 pm

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The Blaatschapen wrote:This explains a lot about the state of the Belgian military.

Good soldiers are hard to find.

From my admittedly limited understanding, their military is so tiny that they can't be selective and throw out anyone, no matter how obviously insane, or they wouldn't have a military.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:20 pm

Have they located him yet? Yes or no?
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Postby Estado Novo Portugues » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:36 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Have they located him yet? Yes or no?

Nope.
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Postby Arisyan » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:55 pm

Estado Novo Portugues wrote:He's dead.

While it's a little unfortunate he had to die, I don't see any other way for it to have ended. Still, it's lucky that he wasn't able to kill anyone.
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Postby Punished UMN » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:57 pm

Arisyan wrote:
Estado Novo Portugues wrote:He's dead.

While it's a little unfortunate he had to die, I don't see any other way for it to have ended. Still, it's lucky that he wasn't able to kill anyone.

Tbf, he took his own life, the police were not forced to kill him. My guess is he committed suicide at some point after realizing that his plans had fallen through and that he was either going to die or spend the rest of his life in prison.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:59 pm

Estado Novo Portugues wrote:He's dead.

Atleast he wasnt able to carry out an attack.
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Postby CoraSpia » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:09 pm

Arisyan wrote:
Estado Novo Portugues wrote:He's dead.

While it's a little unfortunate he had to die, I don't see any other way for it to have ended. Still, it's lucky that he wasn't able to kill anyone.

I can't help but feel that this guy had some serious and probably undiagnosed mental health issues that were making his actions worse. I won't say he will be missed but his death could have been prevented.
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