Five Oregon Counties vote to Join Idaho

[Neutraligon]

What of those who wish to remain in Oregon?

[South Americanastan]

Show me exactly where in the 14th amendment it says that.

No state shall deny any person the equal protection of the law or due process of the law.

It's not depriving a person due process or protection of law.

[San Lumen]

No state shall deny any person the equal protection of the law or due process of the law.

It's not depriving a person due process or protection of law.

It absolutely is. This is a thread jack though. You should make it its own thread.

[Luminesa]

The potatoes must flow.

[South Americanastan]

It's not depriving a person due process or protection of law.

It absolutely is. This is a thread jack though. You should make it its own thread.

How am I threadjacking? You brought up gay rights, if anyone threadjacked, it's you.

[Salus Maior]

Or they could just move. No one is forcing them to stay there. Plenty of other people move why can't these people?

You know, it's really despicable how much disregard you have for these people and their livelihoods. Do you honestly think that everyone can just uproot themselves at will and find new homes? Uproot their businesses and families from where they've established themselves and move to somewhere completely different to start all over? Hell, I moved like 15 minutes from my old home recently and that's been a massive pain, let alone moving to an entirely new state. And we're talking hundreds of people here, multiple majorities in multiple counties. You're essentially asking for a mass migration.

You cannot ask people to pack up and move. That's just not on the table. They're expressing democratically and legally, as counties, to cede from Oregon and that's their right. Telling them to "shut up" because you don't like them is authoritarian, and denies them their democratic process and free speech. Telling them to "just move" is denying them their rights to their own homes, businesses, and connections.

The state doesn't have greater rights than the people that live under it. Either the people are sovereign or they are not. And you are arguing that they don't, and shouldn't.

[San Lumen]

Or they could just move. No one is forcing them to stay there. Plenty of other people move why can't these people?

You know, it's really despicable how much disregard you have for these people and their livelihoods. Do you honestly think that everyone can just uproot themselves at will and find new homes? Uproot their businesses and families from where they've established themselves and move to somewhere completely different to start all over? Hell, I moved like 15 minutes from my old home recently and that's been a massive pain, let alone moving to an entirely new state. And we're talking hundreds of people here, multiple majorities in multiple counties. You're essentially asking for a mass migration.

You cannot ask people to pack up and move. That's just not on the table. They're expressing democratically and legally, as counties, to cede from Oregon and that's their right. Telling them to "shut up" because you don't like them is authoritarian, and denies them their democratic process and free speech. Telling them to "just move" is denying them their rights to their own homes, businesses, and connections.

The state doesn't have greater rights than the people that live under it. Either the people are sovereign or they are not. And you are arguing that they don't, and shouldn't.

why don't the Republicans in Portland form a alternative government too? Let there be a mass migration if they feel so oppressed.

[Neutraligon]

Or they could just move. No one is forcing them to stay there. Plenty of other people move why can't these people?

You know, it's really despicable how much disregard you have for these people and their livelihoods. Do you honestly think that everyone can just uproot themselves at will and find new homes? Uproot their businesses and families from where they've established themselves and move to somewhere completely different to start all over? Hell, I moved like 15 minutes from my old home recently and that's been a massive pain, let alone moving to an entirely new state. And we're talking hundreds of people here, multiple majorities in multiple counties. You're essentially asking for a mass migration.

You cannot ask people to pack up and move. That's just not on the table. They're expressing democratically and legally, as counties, to cede from Oregon and that's their right. Telling them to "shut up" because you don't like them is authoritarian, and denies them their democratic process and free speech. Telling them to "just move" is denying them their rights to their own homes, businesses, and connections.

The state doesn't have greater rights than the people that live under it. Either the people are sovereign or they are not. And you are arguing that they don't, and shouldn't.

What about those who make their living growing Cannabis? It is legal in Oregon and illegal in Idaho. What about those who do not want to switch states, shouldn't they be represented by the people they want, since that seems to be the argument you are making.

[South Americanastan]

You know, it's really despicable how much disregard you have for these people and their livelihoods. Do you honestly think that everyone can just uproot themselves at will and find new homes? Uproot their businesses and families from where they've established themselves and move to somewhere completely different to start all over? Hell, I moved like 15 minutes from my old home recently and that's been a massive pain, let alone moving to an entirely new state. And we're talking hundreds of people here, multiple majorities in multiple counties. You're essentially asking for a mass migration.

You cannot ask people to pack up and move. That's just not on the table. They're expressing democratically and legally, as counties, to cede from Oregon and that's their right. Telling them to "shut up" because you don't like them is authoritarian, and denies them their democratic process and free speech. Telling them to "just move" is denying them their rights to their own homes, businesses, and connections.

The state doesn't have greater rights than the people that live under it. Either the people are sovereign or they are not. And you are arguing that they don't, and shouldn't.

What about those who make their living growing Cannabis? It is legal in Oregon and illegal in Idaho. What about those who do not want to switch states, shouldn't they be represented by the people they want, since that seems to be the argument you are making.

Unfortunately, they are being overruled. The majority of people in those areas want to leave, and you can't please everyone

[San Lumen]

What about those who make their living growing Cannabis? It is legal in Oregon and illegal in Idaho. What about those who do not want to switch states, shouldn't they be represented by the people they want, since that seems to be the argument you are making.

Unfortunately, they are being overruled. The majority of people in those areas want to leave, and you can't please everyone

They should give up their livelihoods? What are they supposed to do for a living?

[Salus Maior]

why don't the Republicans in Portland form a alternative government too? Let there be a mass migration if they feel so oppressed.

You're harping about "alternative governments" but nobody's asking for that, so you can just drop that point.

Again, I sincerely hope you're never in political office if you're that callous and childish as you're displaying now.

[South Americanastan]

Unfortunately, they are being overruled. The majority of people in those areas want to leave, and you can't please everyone

They should give up their livelihoods? What are they supposed to do for a living?

That's literally what you've been telling all the people who want to leave to do, so don't try to play the "Oh poor [insert group here] card"

[Neutraligon]

What about those who make their living growing Cannabis? It is legal in Oregon and illegal in Idaho. What about those who do not want to switch states, shouldn't they be represented by the people they want, since that seems to be the argument you are making.

Unfortunately, they are being overruled. The majority of people in those areas want to leave, and you can't please everyone

And if Salem does not allow the counties to leave then the people who wish to leave are being overruled the exact same way the individuals who wish to stay are being overruled if the counties did leave.

[Salus Maior]

What about those who make their living growing Cannabis? It is legal in Oregon and illegal in Idaho. What about those who do not want to switch states, shouldn't they be represented by the people they want, since that seems to be the argument you are making.

It's not a perfect situation, but it's not conscionable according to the democratic principle to hold the counties under Oregon when they've expressed in a passing majority that they want to switch states.

Ultimately, the fewest amount of people would be harmed or denied democratic process if the counties will to switch states were honored.

[San Lumen]

They should give up their livelihoods? What are they supposed to do for a living?

That's literally what you've been telling all the people who want to leave to do, so don't try to play the "Oh poor [insert group here] card"

so the people who are growing cannabis should just give up livelihoods because of a referendum the majority voted for that will never even get the light of day in Salem?

[South Americanastan]

That's literally what you've been telling all the people who want to leave to do, so don't try to play the "Oh poor [insert group here] card"

so the people who are growing cannabis should just give up livelihoods because of a referendum the majority voted for that will never even get the light of day in Salem?

To quote at least 5 of your posts "They should just move"

[Neutraligon]

What about those who make their living growing Cannabis? It is legal in Oregon and illegal in Idaho. What about those who do not want to switch states, shouldn't they be represented by the people they want, since that seems to be the argument you are making.

It's not a perfect situation, but it's not conscionable according to the democratic principle to hold the counties under Oregon when they've expressed in a passing majority that they want to switch states.

Ultimately, the fewest amount of people would be harmed or denied democratic process if the counties will to switch states were honored.

The same could be said if we went house by house instead, but I do not see people suggesting that. More then that if Salem says no, then it could also be argued that the fewest amount of people would be harmed using the exact same argument that you are arguing for.

[Salus Maior]

Unfortunately, they are being overruled. The majority of people in those areas want to leave, and you can't please everyone

And if Salem does not allow the counties to leave then the people who wish to leave are being overruled the exact same way the individuals who wish to stay are being overruled if the counties did leave.

The problem here being that if Salem overrules the counties they're denying representation and democratic process to a far greater amount of people than if the counties were to secede. Again, we're talking about the majorities in multiple counties.

[San Lumen]

so the people who are growing cannabis should just give up livelihoods because of a referendum the majority voted for that will never even get the light of day in Salem?

To quote at least 5 of your posts "They should just move"

Or how about people accept we have a democracy and just be quiet? Are they supposed to teleport their farm someplace else?

[Neutraligon]

so the people who are growing cannabis should just give up livelihoods because of a referendum the majority voted for that will never even get the light of day in Salem?

To quote at least 5 of your posts "They should just move"

Why should they move when they want to maintain the status-quo? It is the people trying to switch states who need to justify harming those who want to maintain the existing condition.

[Neutraligon]

And if Salem does not allow the counties to leave then the people who wish to leave are being overruled the exact same way the individuals who wish to stay are being overruled if the counties did leave.

The problem here being that if Salem overrules the counties they're denying representation and democratic process to a far greater amount of people than if the counties were to secede. Again, we're talking about the majorities in multiple counties.

Except that they are not because they are representing the majority of the state and democratic and so far greater amount of people are not harmed. Why are you limiting it to those counties when you consider who is harmed?

[Salus Maior]

It's not a perfect situation, but it's not conscionable according to the democratic principle to hold the counties under Oregon when they've expressed in a passing majority that they want to switch states.

Ultimately, the fewest amount of people would be harmed or denied democratic process if the counties will to switch states were honored.

The same could be said if we went house by house instead, but I do not see people suggesting that. More then that if Salem says no, then it could also be argued that the fewest amount of people would be harmed using the exact same argument that you are arguing for.

How would "house by house" change the verdict? The referendum already expresses the majorities of people in the counties.

And no, it couldn't be argued. You're frankly making zero sense.

[Luminesa]

To quote at least 5 of your posts "They should just move"

Or how about people accept we have a democracy and just be quiet? Are they supposed to teleport their farm someplace else?

I mean asking people to move technically indicates...something like that.

[South Americanastan]

To quote at least 5 of your posts "They should just move"

Or about people accept we have a democracy and just be quiet? Are they supposed to teleport their farm someplace else?

Then freaking move to Idaho or shut up and stop whining.

Then freaking move back to Oregon or shut up and stop whining

[San Lumen]

Or how about people accept we have a democracy and just be quiet? Are they supposed to teleport their farm someplace else?

I mean asking people to move technically indicates...something like that.

Those who are unhappy with the government should pack up and leave. There are people in the counties who would be harmed by joining Idaho.