Five Oregon Counties vote to Join Idaho

[Dtn]

They have representatives. How are they suffering? Seriously; I am curious.

The majority is attempting to deny them the right to vote on new legislation as guaranteed under the Oregon constitution?

The requirements for state ballot initiatives are clearly stated in the Oregon constitution, and the Greater Idaho movement hasn't come close to fulfilling them. Not sure why people keep throwing the term referendum around.

The state legislature also hasn't stopped the counties in question from holding biannual meetings on the issue, which is what the counties actually voted to require. Exactly what the county commissions are supposed to do in these meetings is unclear even to the county commissioners.

It might be worth asking if movements like this are why the GOP has steadily lost its majority since controlling both houses of the Oregon legislature quite recently.

[The Black Forrest]

Different situations. DC and PR don’t have representation.

Even then; I don’t know how the counties aren’t being represented……

Actually DC and PR are being represented. They elect delegates so they shouldn’t complain because they are being represented

If you are talking about statehood, they are not at the federal level. Thus a different situation.

[The Black Forrest]

They have representatives. How are they suffering? Seriously; I am curious.

Having representatives does not inherently mean you have any say in government. Especially in FPTP if the other side has a comfortable majority then you can be disregarded entirely.

Ok. Example?

[San Lumen]

The majority is attempting to deny them the right to vote on new legislation as guaranteed under the Oregon constitution?

The requirements for state ballot initiatives are clearly stated in the Oregon constitution, and the Greater Idaho movement hasn't come close to fulfilling them. Not sure why people keep throwing the term referendum around.

The state legislature also hasn't stopped the counties in question from holding biannual meetings on the issue, which is what the counties actually voted to require. Exactly what the county commissions are supposed to do in these meetings is unclear even to the county commissioners.

In other words this is unlikely to go absolutely anywhere was even the county government is unsure of what the next steps are.

[Thermodolia]

Actually DC and PR are being represented. They elect delegates so they shouldn’t complain because they are being represented

If you are talking about statehood, they are not at the federal level. Thus a different situation.

But they elect federal delegates. Therefore they are represented. Can their representatives actually do anything? No. But neither can the representatives of those counties in Oregon.

But they are represented so they should just shut up and take it because they are represented

[Washington Resistance Army]

Having representatives does not inherently mean you have any say in government. Especially in FPTP if the other side has a comfortable majority then you can be disregarded entirely.

Ok. Example?

Literally every solidly red or blue state in the nation. Republicans in WA are entirely disregarded and stomped over and the same happens to Democrats in North Dakota.

[The Black Forrest]

If you are talking about statehood, they are not at the federal level. Thus a different situation.

But they elect federal delegates. Therefore they are represented. Can their representatives actually do anything? No. But neither can the representatives of those counties in Oregon.

But they are represented so they should just shut up and take it because they are represented

Ok. Since you bring up Oregon. What are the issues; where has the system failed them. What problems do these counties face?

[Thermodolia]

The majority is attempting to deny them the right to vote on new legislation as guaranteed under the Oregon constitution?

The requirements for state ballot initiatives are clearly stated in the Oregon constitution, and the Greater Idaho movement hasn't come close to fulfilling them. Not sure why people keep throwing the term referendum around.

The state legislature also hasn't stopped the counties in question from holding biannual meetings on the issue, which is what the counties actually voted to require. Exactly what the county commissions are supposed to do in these meetings is unclear even to the county commissioners.

It might be worth asking if movements like this are why the GOP has steadily lost its majority since controlling both houses of the Oregon legislature quite recently.

Gallo isn’t talking about splitting the state but the fact that laws passed in Oregon are required to be passed by a referendum. And the cap and trade bill was supposed to follow this path but the ruling democrat government decided to bypass the system and pass the bill as an emergency measure

[Thermodolia]

But they elect federal delegates. Therefore they are represented. Can their representatives actually do anything? No. But neither can the representatives of those counties in Oregon.

But they are represented so they should just shut up and take it because they are represented

Ok. Since you bring up Oregon. What are the issues; where has the system failed them. What problems do these counties face?

Lack of adequate representation. Government shouldn’t be a sport but a consensus. And right now most people treat it like a sport where the other side should be completely ignored because you have 51% of the seats.

[Thermodolia]

Ok. Example?

Literally every solidly red or blue state in the nation. Republicans in WA are entirely disregarded and stomped over and the same happens to Democrats in North Dakota.

Honestly the only states it doesn’t happen in are Arizona, Vermont, and NH. As those are really the only states that aren’t totally dominated by one party.

The US is basically ruled by a bunch of near single party states or dominate party states. If the 50 states where independent nations theyd all rank low on the freedom of democracy scale

[San Lumen]

The requirements for state ballot initiatives are clearly stated in the Oregon constitution, and the Greater Idaho movement hasn't come close to fulfilling them. Not sure why people keep throwing the term referendum around.

The state legislature also hasn't stopped the counties in question from holding biannual meetings on the issue, which is what the counties actually voted to require. Exactly what the county commissions are supposed to do in these meetings is unclear even to the county commissioners.

It might be worth asking if movements like this are why the GOP has steadily lost its majority since controlling both houses of the Oregon legislature quite recently.

Gallo isn’t talking about splitting the state but the fact that laws passed in Oregon are required to be passed by a referendum. And the cap and trade bill was supposed to follow this path but the ruling democrat government decided to bypass the system and pass the bill as an emergency measure

I don’t think it’s all laws.

[San Lumen]

Ok. Example?

Literally every solidly red or blue state in the nation. Republicans in WA are entirely disregarded and stomped over and the same happens to Democrats in North Dakota.

How would you reform the government?

[Dtn]

The requirements for state ballot initiatives are clearly stated in the Oregon constitution, and the Greater Idaho movement hasn't come close to fulfilling them. Not sure why people keep throwing the term referendum around.

The state legislature also hasn't stopped the counties in question from holding biannual meetings on the issue, which is what the counties actually voted to require. Exactly what the county commissions are supposed to do in these meetings is unclear even to the county commissioners.

It might be worth asking if movements like this are why the GOP has steadily lost its majority since controlling both houses of the Oregon legislature quite recently.

Gallo isn’t talking about splitting the state but the fact that laws passed in Oregon are required to be passed by a referendum. And the cap and trade bill was supposed to follow this path but the ruling democrat government decided to bypass the system and pass the bill as an emergency measure

You can't pass a law at all with a referendum.

[The Black Forrest]

Ok. Since you bring up Oregon. What are the issues; where has the system failed them. What problems do these counties face?

Lack of adequate representation. Government shouldn’t be a sport but a consensus. And right now most people treat it like a sport where the other side should be completely ignored because you have 51% of the seats.

Hmmm. I keep hearing about lack of adequate representation and the only example I hear is the cap and trade thing. If it’s something that people think they need and the counties don’t want it. The chances of a consensus are next to nothing. This is a problem these days. Working together means I get everything on my list.

From what I read on the cap and trade; there seems to be efforts to ease the pain. Slow rollout; funding for new training, etc., for areas heavily effected.

It would be interesting to read a list of grievances rather the peoples interpretations of how things are supposed to be.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Literally every solidly red or blue state in the nation. Republicans in WA are entirely disregarded and stomped over and the same happens to Democrats in North Dakota.

How would you reform the government?

I wouldn't. Reform is too slow and inefficient.

[San Lumen]

How would you reform the government?

I wouldn't. Reform is too slow and inefficient.

What would you do?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I wouldn't. Reform is too slow and inefficient.

What would you do?

In an ideal world an eco-socialist revolution would topple our current economic and political system. That isn't going to happen, of course, so I'm just along for the ride and trying to enjoy life before the biosphere collapses entirely and takes civilization with it.

[Thermodolia]

Gallo isn’t talking about splitting the state but the fact that laws passed in Oregon are required to be passed by a referendum. And the cap and trade bill was supposed to follow this path but the ruling democrat government decided to bypass the system and pass the bill as an emergency measure

You can't pass a law at all with a referendum.

According to the Constitution of Oregon it’s required on most bills

[San Lumen]

What would you do?

In an ideal world an eco-socialist revolution would topple our current economic and political system. That isn't going to happen, of course, so I'm just along for the ride and trying to enjoy life before the biosphere collapses entirely and takes civilization with it.

Wow what a upbeat attitude to take. I’ve been doing my part for the environment. If everyone did we’d make a serious difference.

[Thermodolia]

Lack of adequate representation. Government shouldn’t be a sport but a consensus. And right now most people treat it like a sport where the other side should be completely ignored because you have 51% of the seats.

Hmmm. I keep hearing about lack of adequate representation and the only example I hear is the cap and trade thing. If it’s something that people think they need and the counties don’t want it. The chances of a consensus are next to nothing. This is a problem these days. Working together means I get everything on my list.

The problem is the lack of consensus which is caused by our voting system which splits everything into two opposing teams. We need Party list PR, STV, or MMP electoral systems.

From what I read on the cap and trade; there seems to be efforts to ease the pain. Slow rollout; funding for new training, etc., for areas heavily effected.

That’s good and all but a slow roll out isn’t going to fix anything

It would be interesting to read a list of grievances rather the peoples interpretations of how things are supposed to be.

I’m talking in general. When I lived in georgia I had zero representation because the republicans controlled everything. I didn’t have anyone who represented me anywhere who was remotely close to my views.

[Washington Resistance Army]

In an ideal world an eco-socialist revolution would topple our current economic and political system. That isn't going to happen, of course, so I'm just along for the ride and trying to enjoy life before the biosphere collapses entirely and takes civilization with it.

Wow what a upbeat attitude to take. I’ve been doing my part for the environment. If everyone did we’d make a serious difference.

No we wouldn't. Your position is literally the result of propaganda from big business to shift blame from themselves onto you. Capitalism and consumerism are the problems, not Jim-Bob leaving the lights on at night.

According to the Constitution of Oregon it’s required on most bills

It's a pretty neat system honestly.

[San Lumen]

Hmmm. I keep hearing about lack of adequate representation and the only example I hear is the cap and trade thing. If it’s something that people think they need and the counties don’t want it. The chances of a consensus are next to nothing. This is a problem these days. Working together means I get everything on my list.

The problem is the lack of consensus which is caused by our voting system which splits everything into two opposing teams. We need Party list PR, STV, or MMP electoral systems.

From what I read on the cap and trade; there seems to be efforts to ease the pain. Slow rollout; funding for new training, etc., for areas heavily effected.

That’s good and all but a slow roll out isn’t going to fix anything

It would be interesting to read a list of grievances rather the peoples interpretations of how things are supposed to be.

I’m talking in general. When I lived in georgia I had zero representation because the republicans controlled everything. I didn’t have anyone who represented me anywhere who was remotely close to my views.

I favor MMP or RCV.

[Thermodolia]

In an ideal world an eco-socialist revolution would topple our current economic and political system. That isn't going to happen, of course, so I'm just along for the ride and trying to enjoy life before the biosphere collapses entirely and takes civilization with it.

Wow what a upbeat attitude to take. I’ve been doing my part for the environment. If everyone did we’d make a serious difference.

You literally wouldn’t. You don’t make an impact on the environment. Getting people to not water their lawns will not make a dent in a water crisis. Getting people to not fill up their pools will not make a dent.

The people make up only 1% of all pollution. 99% is made by 100 corporations. Literally the meme about eating the rich would actually put a large dent in global warming

[Thermodolia]

The problem is the lack of consensus which is caused by our voting system which splits everything into two opposing teams. We need Party list PR, STV, or MMP electoral systems.


That’s good and all but a slow roll out isn’t going to fix anything


I’m talking in general. When I lived in georgia I had zero representation because the republicans controlled everything. I didn’t have anyone who represented me anywhere who was remotely close to my views.

I favor MMP or RCV.

IRV isn’t going to solve shit. MMP, STV, or Party list PR are the only way. Outside of overthrowing the government

[San Lumen]

I favor MMP or RCV.

IRV isn’t going to solve shit. MMP, STV, or Party list PR are the only way. Outside of overthrowing the government

What’s wrong with Irv?