Five Oregon Counties vote to Join Idaho

[Thermodolia]

It’s not the only way. But when no other options are left it becomes the way.

It should be a last resort.

Well that was implied with “when no other options are left”.

If there are no other options left to use violence may very well be the only way. Now you can use the threat of violence like many civil rights leaders did. They basically told everyone that you either listen to us or you’ll be forced to listen to Malcolm X and his groups

[New Rogernomics]

Pretty sure the original state has to approve it for it to go into effect, which renders this vote null and void in practice.

There were some fun civil war exceptions though like Virginia and West Virginia.

[Thermodolia]

Pretty sure the original state has to approve it for it to go into effect, which renders this vote null and void in practice.

There were some fun civil war exceptions though like Virginia and West Virginia.

Yes both states have to approve of this along with Congress.

During the Civil War the US government only recognized the government in West Virginia as the legitimate government of Virginia. So that government then opted to create the state of West Virginia which the US government agreed to.

No exception, just that the US basically considered Virginia to be occupied territory

[The Reformed American Republic]

It should be a last resort.

Well that was implied with “when no other options are left”.

If there are no other options left to use violence may very well be the only way. Now you can use the threat of violence like many civil rights leaders did. They basically told everyone that you either listen to us or you’ll be forced to listen to Malcolm X and his groups

I like the idea of the threat of revolution. Not a communist one mind you (they tend to be anti-American), but one that is anti-neoliberal and one that would lead to more regulations on businesses and the like. Electoralism doesn't seem to be working. Hopefully it would scare elected officials into acting.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Well that was implied with “when no other options are left”.

If there are no other options left to use violence may very well be the only way. Now you can use the threat of violence like many civil rights leaders did. They basically told everyone that you either listen to us or you’ll be forced to listen to Malcolm X and his groups

I like the idea of the threat of revolution. Not a communist one mind you (they tend to be anti-American), but one that is anti-neoliberal and one that would lead to more regulations on businesses and the like. Electoralism doesn't seem to be working.

What does it even mean to be anti-American honestly. What even is this nation beyond mindless consumerism nowadays.

[Thermodolia]

I like the idea of the threat of revolution. Not a communist one mind you (they tend to be anti-American), but one that is anti-neoliberal and one that would lead to more regulations on businesses and the like. Electoralism doesn't seem to be working.

What does it even mean to be anti-American honestly. What even is this nation beyond mindless consumerism nowadays.

Tbh mindless consumerism is anti-American. So destroy that and America is back baby!

[Punished UMN]

We also used violence to free them. And violence was used as a threat when it came to civil rights.

We also created a system of government which changes hands without violence…..excluding the trump era of course.

Violence is not the way.

And a system of government which is implicitly upheld by violence. You cannot have the state and not have violence, because the state is institutionalized, legitimate violence.

[Kowani]

I like the idea of the threat of revolution. Not a communist one mind you (they tend to be anti-American), but one that is anti-neoliberal and one that would lead to more regulations on businesses and the like. Electoralism doesn't seem to be working.

What does it even mean to be anti-American honestly. What even is this nation beyond mindless consumerism nowadays.

to be anti-american, the first question is-what is "american?"

[The Black Forrest]

What does it even mean to be anti-American honestly. What even is this nation beyond mindless consumerism nowadays.

to be anti-american, the first question is-what is "american?"

Would it involve belt buckles and guns?

[The Reformed American Republic]

What does it even mean to be anti-American honestly. What even is this nation beyond mindless consumerism nowadays.

Tbh mindless consumerism is anti-American. So destroy that and America is back baby!

It would certainly be a start.

I like the idea of the threat of revolution. Not a communist one mind you (they tend to be anti-American), but one that is anti-neoliberal and one that would lead to more regulations on businesses and the like. Electoralism doesn't seem to be working.

What does it even mean to be anti-American honestly. What even is this nation beyond mindless consumerism nowadays.

Anti-Americans think this country is the root of pretty much all evil in the world. Want to tear down all founding father statues because they're nothing more than evil white men, that sort of thing.

[San Lumen]

Pretty sure the original state has to approve it for it to go into effect, which renders this vote null and void in practice.

There were some fun civil war exceptions though like Virginia and West Virginia.

They do and they will never consent to it. Not even a hearing will be held in committee in Salem on in.

[Punished UMN]

Pretty sure the original state has to approve it for it to go into effect, which renders this vote null and void in practice.

There were some fun civil war exceptions though like Virginia and West Virginia.

They do and they will never consent to it. Not even a hearing will be held in committee in Salem on in.

Doesn't it seem a little, I don't know, undemocratic that five whole counties have voted in a referendum on something but the state government won't even hold a hearing in committee over it?

[San Lumen]

They do and they will never consent to it. Not even a hearing will be held in committee in Salem on in.

Doesn't it seem a little, I don't know, undemocratic that five whole counties have voted in a referendum on something but the state government won't even hold a hearing in committee over it?

Why should they? Its nothing more than whining that they don't get more representation than the most populous region of the state and the people they support for statewide elections have lost for a number of years now.

[Punished UMN]

Doesn't it seem a little, I don't know, undemocratic that five whole counties have voted in a referendum on something but the state government won't even hold a hearing in committee over it?

Why should they? Its nothing more than whining that they don't get more representation than the most populous region of the state and the people they support for statewide elections have lost for a number of years now.

Because they're elected to represent the people, and that includes the people who are evidently being represented poorly enough that they want to leave, and perhaps they should discuss why they want to leave and what can be done about it.

[Thermodolia]

Pretty sure the original state has to approve it for it to go into effect, which renders this vote null and void in practice.

There were some fun civil war exceptions though like Virginia and West Virginia.

They do and they will never consent to it. Not even a hearing will be held in committee in Salem on in.

Why? Why don’t you just hold a hearing? If nothing comes of it, like you say, what’s the harm in doing it?

[The Black Forrest]

Why should they? Its nothing more than whining that they don't get more representation than the most populous region of the state and the people they support for statewide elections have lost for a number of years now.

Because they're elected to represent the people, and that includes the people who are evidently being represented poorly enough that they want to leave, and perhaps they should discuss why they want to leave and what can be done about it.

That’s been asked a few times. What are the issues? How are they not being represented?

[The Alma Mater]

Why should they? Its nothing more than whining that they don't get more representation than the most populous region of the state and the people they support for statewide elections have lost for a number of years now.

Because they're elected to represent the people, and that includes the people who are evidently being represented poorly enough that they want to leave, and perhaps they should discuss why they want to leave and what can be done about it.

Are all politicians supposed to do that or just the politicians that happen to not represent you ?

[Punished UMN]

Because they're elected to represent the people, and that includes the people who are evidently being represented poorly enough that they want to leave, and perhaps they should discuss why they want to leave and what can be done about it.

That’s been asked a few times. What are the issues? How are they not being represented?

How can that be public record if they won't even hold a hearing to hear the issues?

[San Lumen]

Why should they? Its nothing more than whining that they don't get more representation than the most populous region of the state and the people they support for statewide elections have lost for a number of years now.

Because they're elected to represent the people, and that includes the people who are evidently being represented poorly enough that they want to leave, and perhaps they should discuss why they want to leave and what can be done about it.

Tell me how they aren't being represented? They have legislators in the state capital. They get less because they have less population. That;'s how a fair republic works.

[Punished UMN]

Because they're elected to represent the people, and that includes the people who are evidently being represented poorly enough that they want to leave, and perhaps they should discuss why they want to leave and what can be done about it.

Are all politicians supposed to do that or just the politicians that happen to not represent you ?

Uh, yeah, all of the politicians are supposed to hold hearings about issues affecting their constituents. That is why they were elected.

[The Black Forrest]

That’s been asked a few times. What are the issues? How are they not being represented?

How can that be public record if they won't even hold a hearing to hear the issues?

Ok. What have they tried to bring forth?

[Thermodolia]

Because they're elected to represent the people, and that includes the people who are evidently being represented poorly enough that they want to leave, and perhaps they should discuss why they want to leave and what can be done about it.

That’s been asked a few times. What are the issues? How are they not being represented?

The unfair electoral system for starters.

But still even if they want to leave why keep them? They clearly tried to destroy the democrats attempts at anti-climate change legislation. So why don’t you just let them leave so Oregon doesn’t have to deal with them anymore

[Thermodolia]

Because they're elected to represent the people, and that includes the people who are evidently being represented poorly enough that they want to leave, and perhaps they should discuss why they want to leave and what can be done about it.

Tell me how they aren't being represented? They have legislators in the state capital. They get less because they have less population. That;'s how a fair republic works.

Maybe we shouldn’t be basing our representation off of the population and instead do it by votes like in Party list PR

[San Lumen]

Tell me how they aren't being represented? They have legislators in the state capital. They get less because they have less population. That;'s how a fair republic works.

Maybe we shouldn’t be basing our representation off of the population and instead do it by votes like in Party list PR

Good luck getting that to happen. if people want it they can place a referendum on the ballot.

[The Alma Mater]

Are all politicians supposed to do that or just the politicians that happen to not represent you ?

Uh, yeah, all of the politicians are supposed to hold hearings about issues affecting their constituents. That is why they were elected.

Really ? The previous president of the USA was openly and explicitly elected to "own the libz" - not to represent them. Was that wrong ?