Five Oregon Counties vote to Join Idaho

[San Lumen]

No it wouldn’t. Why don’t more people go to city hall or state capitols and do this if it’s so effective?

Violence is never the answer. It’s not going to rally people to your cause.

"Violence is never the answer" he says, in a nation formed because people were violent.

No one held guns to the Royal Governor’s or judges head.

[Washington Resistance Army]

"Violence is never the answer" he says, in a nation formed because people were violent.

No one held guns to the Royal Governor’s or judges head.

???

Did your public education system over there in NY just skip the fact that we literally started a war and killed tons of people?

[Albrenia]

No it wouldn’t. Why don’t more people go to city hall or state capitols and do this if it’s so effective?

Violence is never the answer. It’s not going to rally people to your cause.

"Violence is never the answer" he says, in a nation formed because people were violent.

Violence is indeed sometimes the answer. Your comment that the US would be better if people started killing each other over things more readily is still incredibly inaccurate.

[San Lumen]

No one held guns to the Royal Governor’s or judges head.

???

Did your public education system over there in NY just skip the fact that we literally started a war and killed tons of people?

I’m well aware of the Revolutionary war and would have supported if l lived at that time but saying we’d be better of if people threatened their leaders with violence to get what they want is a completely ludicrous statement.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Really... why are y’all so trigger happy?

It will when a gun is pointed to their heads and give the people what they, strong-arming people to get your way is how things have worked for years now.

Modern democratic states exist on a pretty explicit foundation of not tolerating political violence in its internal structure. This is one of the reasons why terrorist attacks draw public attention and government responses in a way that, for example, health crises with ten times the actual number of casualties don't.

Considering that the history of using popular force of arms to overturn the rule of law in your country has generally been pretty nasty (just for one example), I'm pretty skeptical of the idea that the United States can be improved by undoing the late 20th Century pacification of its politics and returning to the country's original roots of political violence and armed rebellion.

[Washington Resistance Army]

"Violence is never the answer" he says, in a nation formed because people were violent.

Violence is indeed sometimes the answer. Your comment that the US would be better if people started killing each other over things more readily is still incredibly inaccurate.

Agree to disagree.

???

Did your public education system over there in NY just skip the fact that we literally started a war and killed tons of people?

I’m well aware of the Revolutionary war and would have supported if l lived at that time.[/quote

what

what happened to violence never being the answer

consistency please

[San Lumen]

Violence is indeed sometimes the answer. Your comment that the US would be better if people started killing each other over things more readily is still incredibly inaccurate.

Agree to disagree.

I’m well aware of the Revolutionary war and would have supported if l lived at that time.[/quote

what

what happened to violence never being the answer

consistency please

So if a bunch of people threatened the governor or Oregon legislature with guns unless they did want they wanted you’d cheer them on?

[Vassenor]

It's part of the corrupt American political system.

You think the EC is what keeps third parties out?

Don’t know where you live; get rid of the EC and you will have the national elections guided by California, New York and Texas.

As opposed to the current system where elections are guided by the close swing states.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So if a bunch of people threatened the governor or Oregon legislature with guns unless they did want they wanted you’d cheer them on?

Not inherently, but if I agreed with their reasons then yes. That's the same mindset I used for supporting people burning down police stations and such things last year.

You think the EC is what keeps third parties out?

Don’t know where you live; get rid of the EC and you will have the national elections guided by California, New York and Texas.

As opposed to the current system where elections are guided by the close swing states.

This just makes a good argument for representative democracy always being a bad fit for a large nation with a huge population. No matter what system we use someone has to lose.

[The Lone Alliance]

No one held guns to the Royal Governor’s or judges head.

Not they didn't try, just ask Thomas Hutchinson, the Lt Governor of Massachusetts, who's home was stormed, ransacked,and looted because of his brother being appointed in charge of the Stamp Act in Massachusetts.

Possibly the only reason he didn't get lynched was that he was able to escape out the back as the angry mob stormed the entrance.

And of course this same man only doubled down and it's likely his own actions are what helped lead to the US revolution as he was one of the men who demanded that Massachusetts take the Tea when the more moderate factions suggested simply sending the Tea somewhere else because it was clear Massachusetts had no interest in taking the Tea.

[Dresderstan]

Agree to disagree.


I’m well aware of the Revolutionary war and would have supported if l lived at that time.[/quote

what

what happened to violence never being the answer

consistency please

So if a bunch of people threatened the governor or Oregon legislature with guns unless they did want they wanted you’d cheer them on?

Yes.

[The Two Jerseys]

No one held guns to the Royal Governor’s or judges head.

Not they didn't try, just ask Thomas Hutchinson, the Lt Governor of Massachusetts, who's home was stormed, ransacked,and looted because of his brother being appointed in charge of the Stamp Act in Massachusetts.

Possibly the only reason he didn't get lynched was that he was able to escape out the back as the angry mob stormed the entrance.

And of course this same man only doubled down and it's likely his own actions are what helped lead to the US revolution as he was one of the men who demanded that Massachusetts take the Tea when the more moderate factions suggested simply sending the Tea somewhere else because it was clear Massachusetts had no interest in taking the Tea.

Yeah, I think we're gonna have to add an asterisk to that stat:

No one held guns to the Royal Governor’s or judges head^*. _*Because he ran away from the armed mob like a little bitch.

[Lamoni]

So if a bunch of people threatened the governor or Oregon legislature with guns unless they did want they wanted you’d cheer them on?

Yes.

Dresderstan:

*** 3-day ban for trolling (advocating violence) ***
You now have a 72-hour vacation in which to remind yourself of the rules of these forums.

[Farnhamia]

A repeat in Salem of what happened at the US Capitol isn't going to get them anywhere.

What happens to Ashland and Medford? They get dragged into something they don;t want to be a part of or becoming a enclave? The latter of which would make things very complicated.

It will when a gun is pointed to their heads and give the people what they, strong-arming people to get your way is how things have worked for years now.

7-day ban removed, 3-day ban stays. - Lamoni

[Thermodolia]

Really... why are y’all so trigger happy?

People are pissed. The government has failed them, the rich have gotten richer, the poor get poorer, and the earth is dying. People in the US are hopeless and hopelessness leads to more extreme reactions.

Water is now a hot commodity all over the southwest. Rationing of water is underway and it’s only going to get worse.

[Thermodolia]

???

Did your public education system over there in NY just skip the fact that we literally started a war and killed tons of people?

I’m well aware of the Revolutionary war and would have supported if l lived at that time but saying we’d be better of if people threatened their leaders with violence to get what they want is a completely ludicrous statement.

Somehow I doubt that you would have actually supported it

[Punished UMN]

"Violence is never the answer" he says, in a nation formed because people were violent.

No one held guns to the Royal Governor’s or judges head.

lmfao in some cases that's literally what happened.

[The Black Forrest]

No it wouldn’t. Why don’t more people go to city hall or state capitols and do this if it’s so effective?

Violence is never the answer. It’s not going to rally people to your cause.

"Violence is never the answer" he says, in a nation formed because people were violent.

We also had slaves.

Your point?

[The Reformed American Republic]

No it wouldn’t. Why don’t more people go to city hall or state capitols and do this if it’s so effective?

Violence is never the answer. It’s not going to rally people to your cause.

"Violence is never the answer" he says, in a nation formed because people were violent.

While I am not in favor of violence if it can be avoided, I agree with your point here.

[Thermodolia]

"Violence is never the answer" he says, in a nation formed because people were violent.

We also had slaves.

Your point?

We also used violence to free them. And violence was used as a threat when it came to civil rights.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We also had slaves.

Your point?

We also used violence to free them. And violence was used as a threat when it came to civil rights.

Exactly this. All politics is inherently based in violence.

[The Black Forrest]

We also had slaves.

Your point?

We also used violence to free them. And violence was used as a threat when it came to civil rights.

We also created a system of government which changes hands without violence…..excluding the trump era of course.

Violence is not the way.

[The Reformed American Republic]

We also used violence to free them. And violence was used as a threat when it came to civil rights.

We also created a system of government which changes hands without violence…..excluding the trump era of course.

Violence is not the way.

I'm in the middle on this one. Obviously violence shouldn't be the first resort, but it isn't inherently illegitimate either. It also heavily depends on context.

[Thermodolia]

We also used violence to free them. And violence was used as a threat when it came to civil rights.

We also created a system of government which changes hands without violence…..excluding the trump era of course.

Violence is not the way.

It’s not the only way. But when no other options are left it becomes the way.

[The Reformed American Republic]

We also created a system of government which changes hands without violence…..excluding the trump era of course.

Violence is not the way.

It’s not the only way. But when no other options are left it becomes the way.

It should be a last resort.