Five Oregon Counties vote to Join Idaho

[Thermodolia]

60,000 was actually exactly the number required to become a state in the northwest, so it's pretty amusing to say it's not enough.

Way back in the 1880s. Haha, gimme a break. A more relevant read is how many people lived in HI in 1960 as it became the 50th state. About 633,000.

Right now, in 2021, Long Island has over 7.6 Million people. That's more population than half the states. Why not make it a state? I guess they actually could.

What's the mean population density in those several counties, WRA?

I’ve actually said that Long Island combined with NYC and Westchester and Rockland counties should become its own state

[San Lumen]

Way back in the 1880s. Haha, gimme a break. A more relevant read is how many people lived in HI in 1960 as it became the 50th state. About 633,000.

Right now, in 2021, Long Island has over 7.6 Million people. That's more population than half the states. Why not make it a state? I guess they actually could.

What's the mean population density in those several counties, WRA?

I’ve actually said that Long Island combined with NYC and Westchester and Rockland counties should become its own state

Never going to happen.

[Your Own Private FlorIDAHO]

If Long Island gets its own statehood despite having no real separatist movement or distinct culture, that will open the floodgates to politicians trying to split their state into units of 60,000 to flood the Senate with reps with the same coloured hats.

Which, while probably less than good for the overall stability of American government, will certainly be very amusing to me personally. Long live the Islander State!

Yes, personally amusing does sometime supersede the common good, especially with politicians.

An area would need at least 633,000 people, as in the case of Hawaii in 1960. We can't be using 1880s new state minimum population numbers. The 1960 admission is the best we can do. But you know congress would determine a higher number than 633K.

I’ve actually said that Long Island combined with NYC and Westchester and Rockland counties should become its own state

Never going to happen.

True.

[Comerciante]

Why not just do away with the state system entirely and we all become Idaho, now we all get one electoral vote.

[The Black Forrest]

Is that the two party systems fault or the third parties are too wacky or can’t sell it?

The problem you face with the third choice is the focus on POTUS. The effort to get matching funds. It’s almost like if we had those funds; we could build a base.

Why not build the base and make it easier to get those funds?

Libertarians have been trying this for years. I remember them at Uni. They had this test where basically everybody was some level of libertarian. Roll forward to now and I have a kid starting college. The libertarians are there and that same test is there. A little updated

Anyway….

It is entirely FPTP's fault. A third party can never truly prosper in this system because after a cycle or two they'd split the base on one side or the other and hand all power to the opposing party. Libertarians for example would split the Republican vote and lead to a Democratic win (this very arguably happened in 2020 even) and Greens would do the same to the Dems. FPTP is about the worst possible democratic system, and that's saying something given how shitty most of them already are.

What you are describing is they basically want the power and yet not invest the time and energy to build a grass roots base. People are lazy voters. If the majority tend to be R&Ds; they going to vote the devil they know.

[Dresderstan]

You have, you have constantly said the minority should be ignored.

No I did not.

Yes you have.

[Dresderstan]

There's no reason they shouldn't be able to. Self determination either exists or it doesn't, there shouldn't be some wacky middle ground on the concept.



Not low enough. End urbanism now.

Ha ha, yes, to be sure. It's less than 2 persons per square mile. Meanwhile North Dakota, the least populated state, is 10.7 per sq mi.

Enough with this nowhere Oregon nonsense. Statehood for LI and DC.

No.

[Atheris]

Ha ha, yes, to be sure. It's less than 2 persons per square mile. Meanwhile North Dakota, the least populated state, is 10.7 per sq mi.

Enough with this nowhere Oregon nonsense. Statehood for LI and DC.

No.

I dunno what LI is, but yes to statehood for DC.

[Dresderstan]

No.

I dunno what LI is, but yes to statehood for DC.

No, join Maryland.

[Atheris]

I dunno what LI is, but yes to statehood for DC.

No, join Maryland.

Join Virginia. Virginia should manifest destiny every state west of the Florida panhandle.

[San Lumen]

No I did not.

Yes you have.

Why don’t we create a separate municipal government for the small amount of Republicans in Portland after all aren’t they being ignored?

[Myrensis]

It is entirely FPTP's fault. A third party can never truly prosper in this system because after a cycle or two they'd split the base on one side or the other and hand all power to the opposing party. Libertarians for example would split the Republican vote and lead to a Democratic win (this very arguably happened in 2020 even) and Greens would do the same to the Dems. FPTP is about the worst possible democratic system, and that's saying something given how shitty most of them already are.

What you are describing is they basically want the power and yet not invest the time and energy to build a grass roots base. People are lazy voters. If the majority tend to be R&Ds; they going to vote the devil they know.

Which happens...because of FPTP. It's a system that by design rewards lesser-of-two-evils tactical voting for the broadest possible coalition above all else, and all more 'specialized' 3rd parties generally do is split the vote and make it more likely that not only is your preferred candidate going to lose, but so is the bigger party that is at least somewhat aligned with your general views and policy positions.

[Dresderstan]

Yes you have.

Why don’t we create a separate municipal government for the small amount of Republicans in Portland after all aren’t they being ignored?

Or get rid of the corrupt system and those that benefit from it and continues to divide this county.

[The Black Forrest]

What you are describing is they basically want the power and yet not invest the time and energy to build a grass roots base. People are lazy voters. If the majority tend to be R&Ds; they going to vote the devil they know.

Which happens...because of FPTP. It's a system that by design rewards lesser-of-two-evils tactical voting for the broadest possible coalition above all else, and all more 'specialized' 3rd parties generally do is split the vote and make it more likely that not only is your preferred candidate going to lose, but so is the bigger party that is at least somewhat aligned with your general views and policy positions.

Hmmm. Lessor of two evils is a boring argument born out of the frustration of not being able to force a new seat at the table. People are the way they are and unless they see a “real” setup; they are probably going to stay with what they know.

Libertarians have been going for decades and what have they accomplished? Being the vote splitter? Doesn’t get you much and annoys potential supporters. Can you imagine what they could have done if they had focused on small town politics and expanded out? People want solutions for issues; especially locally. Saying once we are at the big table; we can make things happen! The problem? Sounds like the other two parties. So why not stick with the devil you know?

[The Black Forrest]

Why don’t we create a separate municipal government for the small amount of Republicans in Portland after all aren’t they being ignored?

Or get rid of the corrupt system and those that benefit from it and continues to divide this county.

The parties are causing the divide? Hmmm? Not really. They may be using it; we are basically doing it ourselves. We used to not trust a politician and now……..people trust the ex-president over scientists.

[Myrensis]

Which happens...because of FPTP. It's a system that by design rewards lesser-of-two-evils tactical voting for the broadest possible coalition above all else, and all more 'specialized' 3rd parties generally do is split the vote and make it more likely that not only is your preferred candidate going to lose, but so is the bigger party that is at least somewhat aligned with your general views and policy positions.

Hmmm. Lessor of two evils is a boring argument born out of the frustration of not being able to force a new seat at the table. People are the way they are and unless they see a “real” setup; they are probably going to stay with what they know.

Libertarians have been going for decades and what have they accomplished? Being the vote splitter? Doesn’t get you much and annoys potential supporters. Can you imagine what they could have done if they had focused on small town politics and expanded out? People want solutions for issues; especially locally. Saying once we are at the big table; we can make things happen! The problem? Sounds like the other two parties. So why not stick with the devil you know?

Best case scenario? Supplanted the GOP and become the new second party in American politics, because that is literally what every successful 3rd party in US history has done, the unsuccessful ones collapse or linger on as minor vote splitters.

[San Lumen]

Why don’t we create a separate municipal government for the small amount of Republicans in Portland after all aren’t they being ignored?

Or get rid of the corrupt system and those that benefit from it and continues to divide this county.

and you;d reform it how?

[Atheris]

Or get rid of the corrupt system and those that benefit from it and continues to divide this county.

and you;d reform it how?

Get rid of the electoral college and FTFP, for one.

[San Lumen]

and you;d reform it how?

Get rid of the electoral college and FTFP, for one.

The electoral college is not relevant here.

[Atheris]

Get rid of the electoral college and FTFP, for one.

The electoral college is not relevant here.

It's part of the corrupt American political system.

[Your Own Private FlorIDAHO]

I dunno what LI is, but yes to statehood for DC.

No, join Maryland.

Maryland has already declined the invitation as has Virginia.

Besides DC and PR being admitted and NY splitting off LI into statehood how about North and South California along with East and West Massachusetts. If these states would agree to be split then it only takes a simple majority in the House and Senate plus Presidential approval to make it reality. A 55 star flag might look nice.

[San Lumen]

The electoral college is not relevant here.

It's part of the corrupt American political system.

Yes but its not relevant to the topic.

[Atheris]

No, join Maryland.

Maryland has already declined the invitation as has Virginia.

Besides DC and PR being admitted and NY splitting off LI into statehood how about North and South California along with East and West Massachusetts. If these states would agree to be split then it only takes a simple majority in the House and Senate plus Presidential approval to make it reality. A 55 star flag might look nice.

[Christian Confederation]

There is a simple solution.
1. Oregon Counties Vote to Join Idaho.
2. Oregon Ignores the vote of the people.
3. Idaho Governor calls an emergency session of the state legislature.
4. Legislature votes to accept the new counties.
5. Governor calls up the Idaho National Gaurd to secure there new territory on the border.
6. Paratroopers are sent to sequre the outlier countries.
7. Idaho-Orogon War

[San Lumen]

There is a simple solution.
1. Oregon Counties Vote to Join Idaho.
2. Oregon Ignores the vote of the people.
3. Idaho Governor calls an emergency session of the state legislature.
4. Legislature votes to accept the new counties.
5. Governor calls up the Idaho National Gaurd to secure there new territory on the border.
6. Paratroopers are sent to sequre the outlier countries.
7. Idaho-Orogon War

That is utter fantasy and will not happen. Congress also has to sign off on the border change as well in addition to a signature from the President.